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Old 10-10-2005, 02:22 PM   #31
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I like your electric theory. Too bad you haven't taken transmission loss into account, which makes pure electric vehicles the most polluting cars on the road.

An electric van is responsible for 763 percent more sulfur dioxide emissions than a highly efficient fuel-burning van, because coal is used to fire many electric plants, according to the General Accounting Office.

http://www.ncpa.org/ea/eajf96/eajf96n.html

Get your facts straight.

While we are on the subject of power plants, we should look at more efficient ways to create power in this manner too. The best way to make electricity now is Nuclear; it creates no greenhouse gasses (beating out Natural Gas and oil), no carbon particles, and the waste it creates is a tiny fraction of Coal (which actually creates MORE radioactive waste per MW, but disperses it over the countyside instead of in a nice, portable, concentrated chunk you can keep out of the water supply).

Nuclear also has the potential to meet a significant percentage of demand (sorry, solar, wind, and biomass can only be niche solutions with current technology). The only "gotchya" is what to do with the high level radioactive waste, and geologic depository.
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Old 10-10-2005, 02:24 PM   #32
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Until America has an aggregate fuel consumption policy, everybody's idea about what is the best mode of burning fuel in transportation, home heating/cooling and industrial heating/cooling is just one's personal preference.

There are way too many variables: how long you spend idling in traffic, distance to/from work, number of personnel per vehicle, what you do with your leisure time, etc., etc. In addition, what kind of emissions are we concerned about: CO, CO2, NOx, hydrocarbons, particulates?

I could make an argument that a single person who commutes 150 miles per day in a hybrid vehicle is less responsible than a city dweller driving a SUV with his neighbor who commutes 10 blocks to work.

Add another factor: China's energy usage is incredibly inefficient. I read in Business Week several months ago that their fuel efficiency just in powerplants is 1/6 or 1/8 of America's with a corresponding pollution rate. I don't remember the exact numbers but the difference was dramatic. And just wait until a population 4-5 times greater than ours all want to drive somewhere in a self propelled vehicle.
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Old 10-10-2005, 02:51 PM   #33
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I really don't see how SUV's "clog up" the road more than a hybrid / truck / car.
You ever get stuck behind one on a road with curves?
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Old 10-11-2005, 12:38 AM   #34
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I really don't see how SUV's "clog up" the road more than a hybrid / truck / car.

I hate driving behind SUVs, doesn't help that most of them come tinted. Can't see worth a crap. It sucks!!! I HATE TEH SUVS!!!!11111!1
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