Signs of a Good Movie

verve247 · 07-19-2006, 10:07 AM

When Movie Critics walk out on the screening of the movie. This is one of the few movies I have ben excited about all year.

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix/pagesix_u.htm

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July 19, 2006 -- DON'T joke about women, donkeys and bestiality if you expect Joel Siegel to watch your movie. That's what director Kevin Smith found out when the pun-loving "Good Morning America" film critic stormed out of a press screening of Smith's "Clerks II," which opens Friday - an act that's sparked a vicious war of words between the two.

"Time to go!" roared Siegel to his fellow critics. "First movie I've walked out of in 30 [bleeping] years!" His tirade came 40 minutes into the long-awaited Weinstein Company sequel to Smith's 1994 cult classic about two foul-mouthed Long Island convenience store clerks who razz customers and goof off.

In the scene that sent Siegel to the exit, the characters graphically discuss hiring a woman to perform sexual favors on a donkey. Siegel told Page Six: "It was so foul and mean and repulsive. I finally realized I could not say anything positive . . . I wasn't ready for this kind of smut . . . I hope he doesn't make any more movies."

An apoplectic Smith fired back on his MySpace blog: "Getting a bad review from Siegel is like a badge of honor. This is the guy who stole his mustachioed-critic shtick from Gene Shalit years ago, and still refuses to give it back. This is a guy who seemingly prides himself on his own nyuk-nyuk wordplay. For 'Pirates 2,' he made us all titter with 'Yo, Ho, Ho and a Bottle of Fun' . . . He made us squeal with delight when he wrote, 'Wheelie Good Time for "Cars." ' I mean, Fozzy [bleeping] Bear laughs at this guy."

And there's more: "I don't need Joel Siegel to [bleep] my [bleep] the way he apparently [bleeps] M. Night Shyamalan's, gushing over his flick ['The Lady in the Water'] before he's even seen it, but [bleep] man, man - how about a little common [bleeping] courtesy? You never, never disrupt a movie, simply because you don't like it. Cardinal rule of moviegoing: Shut your [bleeping] mouth while the movie's playing.

"I don't come down to your job and slap the taste out of your mouth for coming up with a line like, ' "Shark Tale" Is a Halibut Good Time' - so don't [bleep] with my stuff while it's still screening . . . What are you, a 12-year-old boy cutting loose with your pals at a Friday night screening of 'Scary Movie' 4' while your parents are in a theater down the hall watching 'The Devil Wears Prada'? Leave the diva-like behavior and drama-queen antics to the movie stars, not the movie reviewer, ya' rude-ass [bleep]."

Devhux · 07-19-2006, 10:34 AM

Obviously this was the first Kevin Smith movie he saw....

DarkFury · 07-19-2006, 10:52 AM

Bwaaa haa ha haa haaa...

Now THAT's goin' off on someone... ya [bleepin'] schmuck...

Showtime · 07-19-2006, 10:57 AM

This will only help the movie.

I liked the part about M. Night Shyamalan's new movie. IMO, that guy made one great movie and the rest sucked or were mediocre at best, yet he gets all this good press.

irwin · 07-19-2006, 01:03 PM

http://www.viewaskew.com/news/jul06/1.html

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GMA's Siegel storms out of 'Clerks II' screening

Maybe it's because he has to wake up so early. Or maybe he just doesn't like Kevin Smith.

Either way, one thing's certain: "Good Morning America" film critic Joel Siegel really, really hates "Clerks II," set to open Friday at theaters across the country.

Sitting in the front row of a packed midtown Manhattan screening room Monday night, Siegel dramatically stood up only 30 minutes into the film and stormed out, to the amazement of those in attendance.

And he didn't go quietly.

"Time to go!" he yelled as he stood up and proceeding to walk out, passing dozens of critics and writers on his way to the door. And his tirade continued all the way out, as he yelled over the film's dialogue that this was the first time "in thirty (expletive) years" he had walked out on a film.

The apparent reason for Siegel's vulgar outburst? A line of dialogue in the film - well, one of many, actually - about sex between a woman and a donkey. Later in the screening, one other unnamed critic appeared to make an early departure.

Only time will tell what Siegel has to say about the episode on "GMA" this Friday.

Kevin replies:

So last night, at a press screening of “Clerks II” in New York City, “Good Morning America” movie critic Joel Siegel decided he’d had enough of my shenanigans, and walked out of the flick at the forty minute mark. You’d imagine this would bother me, and yet, I’m as delighted by this news as I was with the eight minute standing ovation “Clerks II” received in Cannes.

I mean, it’s Joel Siegel, for Christ’s sake. As Paul Thomas Anderson once said of the man, getting a bad review from Siegel is like a badge of honor. This is the guy who stole his mustachioed critic shtick from Gene Shalit years ago, and still refuses to give it back. This is a guy who seemingly prides himself on being “punny” - that is, he likes to add his own nyuk-nyuk wordplay into the reviews he writes/gives.

For “Pirates 2″, he made us all titter with “Yo, Ho, Ho and a Bottle of Fun”.

For Pixar’s lastest, he made us squeal with delight when he wrote “Wheelie Good Time for ‘Cars’”.

Can you believe he somehow not only made us laugh, but also think, when he challenged our perception with “X-Men’ Fails to X-cite”?

I mean, Fozzy fuċking Bear laughs at this guy (AT, mind you, not WITH).

So while I feel like my life will be a little bleaker now that I’ll never know what pun Joel would’ve dug deeply into his comedic well to produce for “Clerks II” (”‘Clerks II?’ More like ‘Jerks, Too’!”), I’ve gotta admit that I’m relieved somebody was finally offended by the flick - enough to head for the exit less than an hour in. I was beginning to think I was losing my touch.

I can’t fault Mr. Siegel for feeling “revolted” (his producer’s description of Joel’s reaction) by our flick; in truth, there is a donkey show in it, and I recognize that brand of whimsy might not be for everybody. Film appreciation is very subjective, and maybe Joel just isn’t into ass-to-mouth conversations.

However, I CAN fault him for the manner in which he left the screening.

Apparently, rather than quietly exit, both Joel and his Cum-Catcher (my slang for the fancy kind of mustache he sports) made a big stink about walking out, calling as much attention to himself as possible, and being generally pretty disruptive.

Check this shіt out: roughly forty minutes into the flick, when Randal orders up the third act donkey show, Siegel bellowed to his fellow critics “Time to go!'’ and “This is the first movie I’ve walked out of in 30 fuċking years!'’

Now, I don’t need Joel Siegel to suck my dick the way he apparently sucks M. Night’s, gushing over his flick before he’s even seen it; but shіt, man - how about a little common fuċking courtesy?
Never mind the fact that when you’re paid to watch movies for a living and the only tasks required of you are to a) sit through said movies and b) write your thoughts about them before your deadline, walking out before a movie’s over is pretty unprofessional. Never mind the fact that the scene he was offended by (the ordering of the donkey show), with its (misleading) crude references is only the set-up to a third act pay-off that is a true bait-and-switch from where Joel’s imagination went (and if you’ve already seen the flick, you KNOW what I’m talking about). Never mind that this dude is so straight-laced in his tastes and hyperbolic in his praise that when The Onion took a poke at Joel, I was almost unsure whether it was a joke or not…

You never… NEVER disrupt a movie, simply because you don’t like it.

Cardinal rule of movie-going: shut your fuċking mouth while the movie’s playing. They even ask you to do so in the pre-show run-up to every flick (”Cell phones and pagers off, no talking during the show”). This guy went beyond talking, even; he was making a spectacle of himself as he left. I’ve now spoken to three folks in attendance last night, and all have said that Siegel WANTED everyone to know how disgusted he was, and that he was leaving. If you want to share your displeasure with everyone, that’s fine, dude; just do it AFTER the movie, not during. Some folks were enjoying themselves. I don’t come down to your job and slap the taste out of your mouth for coming up with a line like “‘Shark Tale’ Is a Halibut Good Time”; so don’t fuċk with my stuff WHILE IT’S STILL SCREENING.

Shіt, Joel, I know you like being on camera and all, but was it so difficult to not be the center of attention for 40 minutes that you just had to sparkle, Neely, sparkle-it up for your peers instead of showing them a little goddamn courtesy by leaving the theater the way most people do, either during or after the picture: quietly? What are you, a twelve year old boy, cutting loose with your pals at a Friday night screening of “Scary Movie 4″ while your parents are in a theater down the hall watching “The Devil Wears Prada”? Leave the diva-like behavior and drama-queen antics to the movie stars, not the movie reviewer, ya’ rude-ass prick.

It makes me laugh to think that, had Joel stayed ’til the end (like any good critic would for any movie they’re paid to watch), he would’ve seen that we weren’t going where he seemed to think we were going. But apparently, Joel took a cue from his own “Poseiden” review, in which he wrote “Audiences today wouldn’t stand for an hour of exposition before the flood hit. In fact, they wouldn’t stand; they’d walk out.” Well, Magnum (y’know - because of the mustache), I guess you’re a member of that same audience that can’t stand exposition.

Look, I don’t hate the guy. Shіt, I’m glad he survived his fairly recent bout with cancer. But his behavior in that screening was unconscionable and professionally unethical, not to mention childishly disruptive. And while I might get laughed at for saying this… well, I just expected more from Joel Siegel.

Kevin confronts Joel Siegel on the Opie and Anthony Show: - Listen Here 15:03 min - 29 MB

the argument goes around in circles, but there's a little funny in there to justify listening to it

MikeD · 07-19-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Showtime

I liked the part about M. Night Shyamalan's new movie. IMO, that guy made one great movie and the rest sucked or were mediocre at best, yet he gets all this good press.

Not a big fan. Yeah, Sixth Sense was good...but Signs and The Village were only average, and Unbreakable was painful (no pun intended).

Lady In The Water doesn't look like it will break the trend, either.

guiseppewv · 07-19-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkFury

Bwaaa haa ha haa haaa...

Now THAT's goin' off on someone... ya [bleepin'] schmuck...

That was [bleepin] great!!!

PoorAvatar · 07-19-2006, 02:04 PM

This is hysterical.

This is a radio interview with critic Joel Siegel and Clerks 2 director-writer Kevin Smith on the radio this morning re: walking out of Smith's film ONLY Siegel doesn't realize that he is actually speaking with Kevin Smith.

No need to listen to the whole thing but definitely wait for when Joel Siegel finally realizes he is actually speaking with Kevin Smith.
http://www.newsaskew.com/misc/joelsiegel07192006.mp3

Freelance Superhero · 07-19-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GuruX

Obviously this was the first Kevin Smith movie he saw....

seriously, right? i mean, what did he expect??

redcolours · 07-19-2006, 05:17 PM

movie reviewer's are like music critics - failed performers.
i dont care if youve been in the business 30 years or 30 minutes, your reviews are just that - REVIEWS. Not Facts. Theyre Opinions. Again, NOT FACTS.

so i dont listen to them. i read them to see how wrong they mostly are. Ok, sometimes they do hit the nail on the head, but purty wurds on paper dont equate to mastery of the field. Have any of these critics actually worked SUCCESSFULLY in the business theyre critics in? If they did, they wouldnt be making a living kneeling down in front of dropped pants to praise a movie theyre paid to like.

ill go see the movie myself, thank you. if its bad, ill decide for myself, and THEN rip it. but yeah, AFTER i watch the whole movie.

sixpac shakur · 07-19-2006, 10:27 PM

Chasing Amy was such a genius flick. "Excuse me but what's a Nubian?" LOL. I saw Kevin Smith speak at Comic-con last year and he had everyone rolling in the aisles.

Jane83 · 07-19-2006, 11:57 PM

haha, but in all seriousness, who wants to go see Clerks2?

Freelance Superhero · 07-21-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jane83

haha, but in all seriousness, who wants to go see Clerks2?

i don't...

i was just about to echo sixpac's sentiments above about Chasing Amy, which i really enjoyed. but i thought the first Clerks was just alright and heavily overrated; Dogma was pretty good the first time i saw it, but when i watched it again i couldn't stand it; i didn't bother to watch Jersey Girl, and don't even get me started on Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back...

so, overall, i think kevin smith is highly overrated. i know this is going to make me sound really uppity, but i feel like people who sing his praises and drop his name in movie-related conversations only cling to him in the name of "indie cred," and do so in hopes of either being "in the know" or part of some hip cult following.

i'm not necessarily saying kevin smith is a bad writer/director (i don't think he's that good either), just overrated and highly undeserving of the kinds of worship some people i know seem to lavish upon him.

having said that, Clerks 2 looks terrible to me.

Burzhui · 07-24-2006, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jane83

haha, but in all seriousness, who wants to go see Clerks2?

I went, it was awesome! The audience was really into it

Lolita · 07-24-2006, 12:02 PM

It had some very funny moments

Sitting in the theater made me think of this thread http://www.gotapex.com/entertainment...-applause.html (Death of Applause?)

People clapped when the movie started, ended, and several scenes in between.

BigJon · 07-24-2006, 01:03 PM

I laughed my butt off at Clerks 2 this weekend. So did the rest of the audience.

MrGreg · 07-25-2006, 04:29 PM

It wasn't his best work, but it was well done and worth watching.

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redcolours in living colour Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: above a raging c Posts: 1,739	movie reviewer's are like music critics - failed performers. i dont care if youve been in the business 30 years or 30 minutes, your reviews are just that - REVIEWS. Not Facts. Theyre Opinions. Again, NOT FACTS. so i dont listen to them. i read them to see how wrong they mostly are. Ok, sometimes they do hit the nail on the head, but purty wurds on paper dont equate to mastery of the field. Have any of these critics actually worked SUCCESSFULLY in the business theyre critics in? If they did, they wouldnt be making a living kneeling down in front of dropped pants to praise a movie theyre paid to like. ill go see the movie myself, thank you. if its bad, ill decide for myself, and THEN rip it. but yeah, AFTER i watch the whole movie. __________________ there are pictures, but no,nothing happens on my site.

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Jane83 Commander Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: S. Pasadena Posts: 1,452	haha, but in all seriousness, who wants to go see Clerks2? __________________ stupid sexy flanders

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PoorAvatar Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 289	This is hysterical. This is a radio interview with critic Joel Siegel and Clerks 2 director-writer Kevin Smith on the radio this morning re: walking out of Smith's film ONLY Siegel doesn't realize that he is actually speaking with Kevin Smith. No need to listen to the whole thing but definitely wait for when Joel Siegel finally realizes he is actually speaking with Kevin Smith. http://www.newsaskew.com/misc/joelsiegel07192006.mp3

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sixpac shakur Lieutenant Commander Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In Howard Stern's Reality Posts: 773	Chasing Amy was such a genius flick. "Excuse me but what's a Nubian?" LOL. I saw Kevin Smith speak at Comic-con last year and he had everyone rolling in the aisles.

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Lolita Lieutenant Commander Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 863	It had some very funny moments Sitting in the theater made me think of this thread http://www.gotapex.com/entertainment...-applause.html (Death of Applause?) People clapped when the movie started, ended, and several scenes in between. __________________ There are two tragedies in life. One is to lose your heart's desire. The other is to gain it.

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BigJon Vice Admiral Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In the kitchen...skinning onions... Posts: 4,946	I laughed my butt off at Clerks 2 this weekend. So did the rest of the audience. __________________

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