OU's Bradford Wins Heisman

zippyjuan · 12-13-2008, 08:02 PM

Looks like it will be the dueling Heisman quarterbacks in the matchup for the national title in college football this year.
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefoo...story/11170281

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Slingin' Sammy: Oklahoma QB Bradford wins Heisman Trophy
Dec. 13, 2008
CBSSports.com wire reports

NEW YORK -- Sam Bradford's biggest score: the Heisman Trophy.

Oklahoma's amazingly accurate and quick-thinking quarterback won the Heisman on Saturday night after guiding the highest-scoring team in major college football history to the national championship game.

Bradford is the second straight sophomore to win the Heisman Trophy. (AP)
A year after Tim Tebow became the first sophomore to win the Heisman, Bradford became the second and kept the Florida quarterback from joining Archie Griffin as the only two-time winners.

Bradford, who leads the nation in touchdown passes with 48, received 1,726 points. Texas quarterback Colt McCoy was second with 1,604 and Tebow -- who received the most first-place votes -- was third with 1,575 points.

"I was definitely surprised and I think it's everything I imagined," said Bradford, who raised the 25-pound bronze statue with his left hand still in a cast from a recent surgery. "I think it will take a couple weeks to set in."

It was the closest vote between the top two since Nebraska's Eric Crouch edged Florida's Rex Grossman by 62 points in 2001. The only other time the margin between first and third was smaller was also '01, when Miami's Ken Dorsey was 142 points behind Crouch.

Bradford and the No. 2 Sooners (12-1) will face Tebow and the No. 1 Gators (12-1) on Jan. 8 in Miami, marking the second time Heisman winners will play against each other. The first was in the 2005 Orange Bowl, when '04 winner Matt Leinart and Southern California beat '03 winner Jason White and Oklahoma for the national title.

Thesifer · 12-13-2008, 10:51 PM

w00t.

bachviet · 12-14-2008, 02:36 PM

Hopefully for a good and competitive BCS Championship game.

Nija · 12-16-2008, 02:25 AM

I'm sorry which no-talent-hack-who-will-fail-in-the-NFL won the trophy this year? Oh that one. Congratulations on obscurity, Sam Bradford!

guiseppewv · 12-16-2008, 02:18 PM

Heisman \= NFL prowess. The Heisman was not created to select the person who will succeed the most in the NFL.....while I am on my soapbox - it was not created to select the best player from one of the best schools, either.

Thesifer · 12-16-2008, 03:59 PM

Show me a player with better performance and stats, that's what it was created for. The player who performs best out of all players. Which, carrying your team to victory is a pretty good indication of that.

Nija · 12-17-2008, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by guiseppewv

Heisman \= NFL prowess. The Heisman was not created to select the person who will succeed the most in the NFL.....while I am on my soapbox - it was not created to select the best player from one of the best schools, either.

Really? Because every Heisman winning gets his knob polished during the draft, and when he fails everyone says, "But he's a Heisman Trophy winner.."

I also do agree with you in that you should always go to the "best" team in one of the highest ranked schools.

Thesifer · 12-17-2008, 04:20 AM

There have been a few heisman winners that have succeeded in the NFL. I havent looked at numbers but it seems like it was 50/50 or something like that.. for a decent to good career.. There's also been a lot of runner up candidates that have done really well.

guiseppewv · 12-17-2008, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Thesifer

Show me a player with better performance and stats, that's what it was created for. The player who performs best out of all players. Which, carrying your team to victory is a pretty good indication of that.

Are you talking to me? Not sure since you didn't quote anyone.

Carrying your team to victory is a good indication but if you are surrounded by a great cast it makes it much easier. When you carry your team to victory and there isn't much talent on your team then you are a Heisman winner. Plus running up the score on patsies to pad your stats is another thing the shouldn't count when figuring out who is the Heisman.

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Originally Posted by Nija

Really? Because every Heisman winning gets his knob polished during the draft, and when he fails everyone says, "But he's a Heisman Trophy winner.."

I also do agree with you in that you should always go to the "best" team in one of the highest ranked schools.

Just because teams are stupid doesn't mean it is so. Even the average football fan knows that Heisman /= pro material; just because some teams had idiot leadership doesn't make it a fact. Look at the Steelers or the Patty Cakes - they don't go after the Heisman winners because there are much safer "bets" out there.

Thesifer · 12-17-2008, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by guiseppewv

Are you talking to me? Not sure since you didn't quote anyone.

Carrying your team to victory is a good indication but if you are surrounded by a great cast it makes it much easier. When you carry your team to victory and there isn't much talent on your team then you are a Heisman winner. Plus running up the score on patsies to pad your stats is another thing the shouldn't count when figuring out who is the Heisman.

Yeah, but sadly the Heisman Voters made it so. Same with having to run up the score for BCS voting. Sad fact of life.

guiseppewv · 12-18-2008, 06:30 AM

For everyone:

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Originally Posted by wikipedia

However, winning the Heisman Trophy does not guarantee future success at the NFL level. Only eight winners of the Heisman are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,[1] but four winners have also been named Most Valuable Player in a Super Bowl. Some other winners have gone on to play in other professionals sports, including Bo Jackson in baseball and Charlie Ward in basketball.

Nija · 12-18-2008, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by guiseppewv

For everyone:

You're right. It does not. But they always seem to go in the first round, and get paid a crap load of money which is somehow justified by their trophy.

guiseppewv · 12-18-2008, 07:04 AM

The world is full of stupid people and I guess a high percentage of the people in charge of the draft, from the teams' perspective, come from that pool.

Thesifer · 12-18-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by guiseppewv

The world is full of stupid people and I guess a high percentage of the people in charge of the draft, from the teams' perspective, come from that pool.

One problem with Heisman Winners, isn't necessarily their lack of skill or ability to play in the NFL, (This is all my opinion of course) But it seems to be related to their swelled head after winning. Thinking they are better then everyone etc. Probably doesn't help if they go with that attitude to their new NFL team.

Also probably relates to the so called "Heisman Curse."

One thing I can say about Bradford, I may not know him personally, but he comes off as a pretty level headed kid. I don't think he will let things get to him, but you never know until the time comes.

Which isn't to say he will do awesome in the NFL either, at least currently as far as I could tell, he doesn't even really want to play in the NFL, but I'm sure he won't pass up getting signed for a couple years, who would.

And as Vince Young has done, you can always go back to college when you can't take it anymore.

guiseppewv · 12-19-2008, 12:19 PM

Please, for his sake, don't compare him to VY.

Thesifer · 12-19-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by guiseppewv

Please, for his sake, don't compare him to VY.

Ha, yeah. I sure do hope no one ends up like him. He was a kid that I thought would turn out OK, but I guess he was hiding some more issues under the surface. He had a pretty good rookie season though.

Nija · 12-20-2008, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by guiseppewv

Please, for his sake, don't compare him to VY.

Yeah give him two years to fail

VTGreg · 12-21-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nija

You're right. It does not. But they always seem to go in the first round, and get paid a crap load of money which is somehow justified by their trophy.

There are plenty of heisman winners that don't end up being high draft picks. Many of them tend to be quarterbacks who were prolific in college but don't have the measurables to be high draft picks (or even drafted at all in some cases). Some examples are Troy Smith, Jason White, Charlie Ward, Gino Torreta and Eric Crouch.

FWIW, recent heisman winners have fared relatively well in the NFL.

Thesifer · 12-21-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by VTGreg

There are plenty of heisman winners that don't end up being high draft picks. Many of them tend to be quarterbacks who were prolific in college but don't have the measurables to be high draft picks (or even drafted at all in some cases). Some examples are Troy Smith, Jason White, Charlie Ward, Gino Torreta and Eric Crouch.

FWIW, recent heisman winners have fared relatively well in the NFL.

Yeah, but Jason White got a chain of Sooner/OSU Cowboy Stores out of the deal.

Not directly related to that, but in a way it is.

zenbooty · 12-21-2008, 09:27 PM

Its funny that John Heisman was an offensive lineman. Today he would never even have a chance of winning his own trophy!

Thesifer · 12-22-2008, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by zenbooty

Its funny that John Heisman was an offensive lineman. Today he would never even have a chance of winning his own trophy!

Yeah, its been years since someone besides a running back / Quarterback have won. There are only like Two guys from Defense as well.

guiseppewv · 12-22-2008, 06:28 PM

I think C. Woodson is the only person who was primarily a defensive player who won the Heisman.

VTGreg · 12-22-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by guiseppewv

I think C. Woodson is the only person who was primarily a defensive player who won the Heisman.

Yep. Although there were two winners that played the end position, whatever that means. (Larry Keller in 1936 and Leon Hart in 1949)

ufcrusher · 12-24-2008, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Thesifer

Show me a player with better performance and stats, that's what it was created for. The player who performs best out of all players. Which, carrying your team to victory is a pretty good indication of that.

ROFLMAO. Everyone who has been here for long enough knows that I am inherently biased here but there is no way that you can say that Bradford is better than Tebow.

Most people who have done the post-Heisman dissection have said that Tebow should have won but he lost due to people being tired of all things Tebow.

Thesifer · 12-25-2008, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ufcrusher

ROFLMAO. Everyone who has been here for long enough knows that I am inherently biased here but there is no way that you can say that Bradford is better than Tebow.

Most people who have done the post-Heisman dissection have said that Tebow should have won but he lost due to people being tired of all things Tebow.

I don't like Tebow's "I am Florida" attitude, but I guess that's technically what the heisman is.. in a way.

(Just look up the Heisman card he signed.. and added "I am" above the Florida) He comes off as a cocky college player to me, which I inherently dislike. But overall he isn't a bad QB.

guiseppewv · 12-25-2008, 07:36 PM

Funny, I am a dislike all FLA teams type of player but I cannot help but like Tebow. I think his stats are a little padded but as a person you cannot help but like him. Just look at the things he has done off the field.

Nija · 12-26-2008, 10:41 AM

I hope he goes the the NFL and changes nothing about how he runs the football.

guiseppewv · 01-08-2009, 09:51 PM

Well, as I predicted: OU is defeated!

DarkFury · 01-08-2009, 10:10 PM

Tebow just showed a bunch of folks why that Heisman trophy should have been his.

Pretty much, when things got all mired down at halftime, Tebow took over and took that game from OU.

Congrats Tebow...!!!

BTW... guisepewv... so much hate for "all Florida teams". Well well now... Oh well, I guess there is always next year.

Thesifer · 01-09-2009, 01:13 AM

They also showed what happens when the coach doesn't call good plays. WTF Was with any of that.. Jesus!

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guiseppewv Admiral Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: East coast Posts: 6,955	Heisman \= NFL prowess. The Heisman was not created to select the person who will succeed the most in the NFL.....while I am on my soapbox - it was not created to select the best player from one of the best schools, either.

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Thesifer Vice Admiral Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oklahoma - Just Recently moved from San Diego Posts: 4,100	Show me a player with better performance and stats, that's what it was created for. The player who performs best out of all players. Which, carrying your team to victory is a pretty good indication of that.

12-17-2008, 04:20 AM	#8
Thesifer Vice Admiral Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oklahoma - Just Recently moved from San Diego Posts: 4,100	There have been a few heisman winners that have succeeded in the NFL. I havent looked at numbers but it seems like it was 50/50 or something like that.. for a decent to good career.. There's also been a lot of runner up candidates that have done really well.

12-18-2008, 07:04 AM	#13
guiseppewv Admiral Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: East coast Posts: 6,955	The world is full of stupid people and I guess a high percentage of the people in charge of the draft, from the teams' perspective, come from that pool.

12-19-2008, 12:19 PM	#15
guiseppewv Admiral Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: East coast Posts: 6,955	Please, for his sake, don't compare him to VY.

12-22-2008, 06:28 PM	#22
guiseppewv Admiral Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: East coast Posts: 6,955	I think C. Woodson is the only person who was primarily a defensive player who won the Heisman.

12-25-2008, 07:36 PM	#26
guiseppewv Admiral Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: East coast Posts: 6,955	Funny, I am a dislike all FLA teams type of player but I cannot help but like Tebow. I think his stats are a little padded but as a person you cannot help but like him. Just look at the things he has done off the field.

12-26-2008, 10:41 AM	#27
Nija Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: May 2001 Location: City of The Dead Posts: 13,419	I hope he goes the the NFL and changes nothing about how he runs the football.

01-08-2009, 09:51 PM	#28
guiseppewv Admiral Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: East coast Posts: 6,955	Well, as I predicted: OU is defeated!

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Thesifer Vice Admiral Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oklahoma - Just Recently moved from San Diego Posts: 4,100	They also showed what happens when the coach doesn't call good plays. WTF Was with any of that.. Jesus!

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