Top 40 NBA players...at the moment

RoniMan · 05-31-2003, 02:41 PM

linky

if you're a bball fan, you should find this interesting read.

if not, go to this thread (Are You A Geek? (Polygeek Version))

i'm not sure i would agree with everything he says, but it's fun to read.
my fav:

Quote:

2. Yao Ming -- I am honored to be included in your prestigious list, and that you consider me as a taller version of Bill Walton ... I feel like a goat herder who just found an extra patch of grass, and decided to sit down to eat his lunch ...

as much as i'm a big yao ming fan, i don't know if he's good enuf to be on #2.

dbax791 · 05-31-2003, 04:45 PM

Hey Roni, Yeah I like Yao, but if you are a b-ball fan and have 5 mins, you should check out this video of Amare Stoudemire that the Suns sent to the ROY voters.

For a kid out of high school, he played incredible, and his dunks are lighting-fast. He can actually dribble...if he ever gets a 15-foot jumper, he's gonna be scary.

Video is 1/2 way down the page under "Streaming Stoudemire"
http://www.nba.com/suns/news/stoudemire_index.html

RoniMan · 05-31-2003, 07:12 PM

thanx dbax, that was pretty cool

crazy how he blocked yao in the last part of the video, reminded me of this old clip of dennis rodman (normal looking) blocking patrick ewing (young looking)

Freelance Superhero · 06-01-2003, 02:05 AM

mmmm the thread title is a bit misleading...

the players are being ranked based on what this columnist believes is their trade value, not necessarily based on who he thinks is "good," which would understandably change up the list quite a bit...

and it is an interesting read, btw...

dbax791 · 06-01-2003, 10:30 AM

You're welcome Roni.

As far as pimping the suns, my all time favorite Suns dunk was when 6'2 Kevin Johnson ABUSED Hakeem Olojuwan.

I couldn't find a video but someone made an animated gif of it.

~360K or so...

KJ Dunk

gear02 · 06-01-2003, 05:34 PM

Yeah this list is the trade value of players. I mean, I would bet you money that the lakers would do a Shaq for Yao trade....well maybe not that, but KG for Yao would certainly fly.

Btw my feelings about Yao and Stevie are perfectly described in this article:

Quote:

14. Steve Francis -- Don't get me wrong: I love watching him. And he finally solved those bizarre migraine problems, which should pave the way for 10-12 more All-Star appearances. But poor Yao Ming played 82 games last season without anyone on his team figuring out A) where he likes the ball, or B) how to throw him an entry pass. Isn't that Francis's job? For God's sake, you have the next Bill Walton on your team, he's seven-&$%#%#-six, and you can't make the #$^&@# playoffs with him???? I'm riled up.

Showtime · 06-03-2003, 12:18 AM

The list is tainted. He obviously has some fixation with Yao Min. From the rant about Francis to his ranking at #2. Way too early for all that. It would have been like crowning Kobe as the next MJ his rookie year. Under his own guidelines how do you put young Yao over Shaq? Houston would trade Yao for Shaq in a second. Kidd, KG, and Amare Stoudamire had much more of impact this year than Yao.

Gasol seems a litte low and Kenyon over Big Ben ...pleaasse!

I think AI is way too high, he's nowhere near washed up.

Jermaine Oneal is too soft and doesnt even dominate in the weak east. He could end up better but I hope San Antonio spends all their money on him rather than Kidd.

Nowitzki is way too low on the list, no way he's better than Shaq. Nowitzki can shoot but doesnt rebound or play D or bang with other 7 footers. I'll put it this way hes on a team full of these "superstars" and couldnt even finish 1st, had no chance if they met the Lakers and plays no D so all he has to do is score.

TD deserves the current # 1 but this list makes Shaq look like he's done. All I see is a lighter Shaq coming back at full strenght next year. Any trade involving Shaq would be considered by any team except maybe Orlando.

Kobe will be better next year.

-jel

ps: whats this baggage bs about Amoure? I agree with his ranking but Yao could have national duties or some bs next year, Nowitzki could prove to be fragile, shaq could balloon up to 400 pounds....... Anyone can be better, worse or totally disappear next season. I think hes already better than Brand and thats saying a lot.

whitak24 · 06-03-2003, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by the jello is jigglin
ps: whats this baggage bs about Amoure? I agree with his ranking but Yao could have national duties or some bs next year, Nowitzki could prove to be fragile, shaq could balloon up to 400 pounds....... Anyone can be better, worse or totally disappear next season. I think hes already better than Brand and thats saying a lot.

i think that it's pretty clear that amare has some baggage. whether that will affect his play in the long-run is unknown. but i know that if i'm a GM and i know about his past instability, this excessive influence of his mother, etc, i would be concerned. not that i'd stay away from him, but i'd definitely want to be cautious.

as for the high ranking of yao, i think a lot of it is based on potential. sure, there are a lot of players who, in the last season, made more impact than yao. but he has solid potential, and a heck of a lot of good playing years left. not to mention that he's a true center, something that's rare in the NBA.

that's why i think that, on average, most teams would choose him over shaq if they could have either one. that's not to dis shaq's dominance right now, but if you have to pick between a player who is currently excellent but probably only has 2-3 more good seasons, or a player who will dominate for the next 10-12 years, most are going to go for the long-term bet.

06-01-2003, 02:05 AM	#4
Freelance Superhero Optimus Prime Join Date: May 2002 Location: in bed Posts: 4,116	mmmm the thread title is a bit misleading... the players are being ranked based on what this columnist believes is their trade value, not necessarily based on who he thinks is "good," which would understandably change up the list quite a bit... and it is an interesting read, btw... __________________ "I can't believe you can eat that; it looks like abortion." - Augusta, of the Tard-Blog

06-03-2003, 12:18 AM	#7
Showtime Lakers fanatic Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: L.A. ->SoCal<- O.C. Posts: 7,338	The list is tainted. He obviously has some fixation with Yao Min. From the rant about Francis to his ranking at #2. Way too early for all that. It would have been like crowning Kobe as the next MJ his rookie year. Under his own guidelines how do you put young Yao over Shaq? Houston would trade Yao for Shaq in a second. Kidd, KG, and Amare Stoudamire had much more of impact this year than Yao. Gasol seems a litte low and Kenyon over Big Ben ...pleaasse! I think AI is way too high, he's nowhere near washed up. Jermaine Oneal is too soft and doesnt even dominate in the weak east. He could end up better but I hope San Antonio spends all their money on him rather than Kidd. Nowitzki is way too low on the list, no way he's better than Shaq. Nowitzki can shoot but doesnt rebound or play D or bang with other 7 footers. I'll put it this way hes on a team full of these "superstars" and couldnt even finish 1st, had no chance if they met the Lakers and plays no D so all he has to do is score. TD deserves the current # 1 but this list makes Shaq look like he's done. All I see is a lighter Shaq coming back at full strenght next year. Any trade involving Shaq would be considered by any team except maybe Orlando. Kobe will be better next year. -jel ps: whats this baggage bs about Amoure? I agree with his ranking but Yao could have national duties or some bs next year, Nowitzki could prove to be fragile, shaq could balloon up to 400 pounds....... Anyone can be better, worse or totally disappear next season. I think hes already better than Brand and thats saying a lot. Last edited by the jello is jigglin : 06-03-2003 at 12:23 AM.

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05-31-2003, 04:45 PM	#2
dbax791 Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,177	Hey Roni, Yeah I like Yao, but if you are a b-ball fan and have 5 mins, you should check out this video of Amare Stoudemire that the Suns sent to the ROY voters. For a kid out of high school, he played incredible, and his dunks are lighting-fast. He can actually dribble...if he ever gets a 15-foot jumper, he's gonna be scary. Video is 1/2 way down the page under "Streaming Stoudemire" http://www.nba.com/suns/news/stoudemire_index.html

05-31-2003, 07:12 PM	#3
RoniMan Admiral Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Temple City, CA Posts: 5,140	thanx dbax, that was pretty cool crazy how he blocked yao in the last part of the video, reminded me of this old clip of dennis rodman (normal looking) blocking patrick ewing (young looking)

06-01-2003, 10:30 AM	#5
dbax791 Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,177	You're welcome Roni. As far as pimping the suns, my all time favorite Suns dunk was when 6'2 Kevin Johnson ABUSED Hakeem Olojuwan. I couldn't find a video but someone made an animated gif of it. ~360K or so... KJ Dunk

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