Official NBA draft thread

ialsohaveadream · 06-17-2004, 04:58 PM

Ok, who are you hoping your team gets? Be realistic, too. The Spurs aren't going to end up with Okafor.

I'm kinda hoping the Heat get Luke Jackson from Oregon (and the Bobcats take Eddie Jones in the expansion draft). He's been climbing a lot of draft boards lately, so that may be wishful thinking.

The Heat need a big man, but all the top prospects are foreigners or high schoolers, which I'm not interested in.

slaus · 06-17-2004, 05:05 PM

The knicks dont have a first rounder so I guess I'm stuck waiting for a few years to get excited for the draft.

brainsmile · 06-17-2004, 05:42 PM

Kings are pretty low but I hear they like Donta Smith

ray · 06-17-2004, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by slaus

The knicks dont have a first rounder so I guess I'm stuck waiting for a few years to get excited for the draft.

Are the Knicks pursuing trades with the Clippers or the Orlando Magic? Because I know both teams are entertaining trades. Orlando wants to trade and get some player value, while the Clippers want to trade down so they can draft Telfair. God, I hope they don't draft Telfair.

slaus · 06-17-2004, 06:02 PM

Theres rumors that Rasheed Wallace might still take a below market deal to go to the Knicks but outside of that everything is pretty much dreaming

ialsohaveadream · 06-17-2004, 06:26 PM

Rasheed won't take a pay cut. Trust me.

And Telfair is garbage. If he wasn't from NYC, nobody would've ever heard of him.

whitak24 · 06-17-2004, 06:45 PM

the knicks are in such a tough position because most of their roster is highly overpaid, given their talent level. so it's going to be so tough to get a team like orlando (with mcgrady) or LA (with kobe) to give up a superstar for an overpaid.....kurt thomas.

ialsohaveadream · 06-17-2004, 07:17 PM

Yup, the Knicks are stuck trying to trade for Juwan Howard or something.

slaus · 06-17-2004, 07:48 PM

Hey, we have some bloated but expiring contracts!

whitak24 · 06-17-2004, 09:24 PM

really? i thought that most of zeke's midseason moves actually ended up bringing in players with contracts that would be expiring later, rather than sooner.

who going to be done this year?

cheapie · 06-17-2004, 09:29 PM

who cares? it's gonna be football season soon! wOOt! wOOt! there are two games that i'm gonna be sure to be at. colts vs. lions on thanksgiving day. and the monday night colts vs. vikings.

slaus · 06-17-2004, 09:32 PM

I think mutombo is one of them and theres another guy too. In total its around 8m in expiring contracts, which absolutely doesnt help the Knicks because we're tens of millions over the cap

whitak24 · 06-17-2004, 09:43 PM

well, at least now you'll be 8m closer to the cap.

the end of the ewing era was really a mistake for the franchise, and i think it's going to take another few years before they get back into a position of contending for championships.

of course, it's not helped by the desire to immediately field a competitive team (which i can't blame the people who are paying 10k for courtside seats for wanting this).

slaus · 06-17-2004, 09:47 PM

They should have never traded Ewing instead they shoudl have let his contract run out. The trade brought back Glen Rice which then led to Howard Eisley and Shannon Anderson. There was no reason to give Allan Houston a 5 year 100m deal. While I like bringing Marbury back, I do wish the Knicks would be serious about rebuilding instead of just plugging holes and trying to make the playoffs. The goal should be trying to win a championship and not just making the playoffs.

attgig · 06-17-2004, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by whitak24

the knicks are in such a tough position because most of their roster is highly overpaid, given their talent level. so it's going to be so tough to get a team like orlando (with mcgrady) or LA (with kobe) to give up a superstar for an overpaid.....kurt thomas.

unless Kobe wants to go to NY, cuz then...LA either takes nothing or takes someone from NY

dbax791 · 06-17-2004, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cheapie

who cares? it's gonna be football season soon! wOOt! wOOt! there are two games that i'm gonna be sure to be at. colts vs. lions on thanksgiving day. and the monday night colts vs. vikings.

Honestly, I think this is the worst ever NBA draft class I can remember.

attgig · 06-17-2004, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by slaus

They should have never traded Ewing instead they shoudl have let his contract run out. The trade brought back Glen Rice which then led to Howard Eisley and Shannon Anderson. There was no reason to give Allan Houston a 5 year 100m deal. While I like bringing Marbury back, I do wish the Knicks would be serious about rebuilding instead of just plugging holes and trying to make the playoffs. The goal should be trying to win a championship and not just making the playoffs.

not when you haven't made the playoffs in the past 2 years. that's TONS of money for the knicks that they lost. and with Layden being the retard that he is, never really tried to rebuild, but still missing the playoffs.... a joke.

and screw whoever who gets...
I'm excited about the first Korean to get on the court...Ha Seoung Jin.

People are projecting early second round and a 2-3 year project before he can really play organized ball.

whitak24 · 06-17-2004, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by attgig

unless Kobe wants to go to NY, cuz then...LA either takes nothing or takes someone from NY

but i have to think that kobe is not going to pull a karl malone/gary payton and go to some place for the midlevel exemption. consequently, the only way the knicks would be able to sign him would be to dump equivalent salary to whatever kind of deal he's looking at (which i don't remember the exact numbers, but i think it's in the $15-$17 million range).

i don't think you're going to see the Lakers do a sign and trade with the knicks. you don't get where the lakers are by making stupid personel moves. and i don't see why they would want any of the knicks overpaid players who are on the downside of their careers. if anything, LA needs to get younger and quicker (but i don't see them wanting marbury. i could be wrong there, of course).

what you might see is a three-way trade with a team like orlando. kobe would sign with LA, LA would trade him to orlando for mcgrady, and orlando would trade him to NY for marbury.

or maybe you would see some sort of sign-and-trade with a crappy team with plenty of cap space (the clippers come to mind, although it seems others have cap space as well) who no one wants to play for right now. kobe could opt out of his contract, sign with another team, and they could trade him to NY.

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Originally Posted by attgig

not when you haven't made the playoffs in the past 2 years. that's TONS of money for the knicks that they lost. and with Layden being the retard that he is, never really tried to rebuild, but still missing the playoffs.... a joke.

and screw whoever who gets...
I'm excited about the first Korean to get on the court...Ha Seoung Jin.

People are projecting early second round and a 2-3 year project before he can really play organized ball.

problem for layden (and believe me, i'm not defending him -- i think he was beyond worthless) was that when you have so many long-term, high dollar deals, you can't rebuild. you can only shuffle in other high dollar, overpriced players in hopes of creating slightly better chemistry (which is basically what thomas did this season, but i don't think it's a long-term solution)

CornMonkey · 06-17-2004, 11:30 PM

i honestly think the lakers would more likely trade shaq than to let go of kobe. of course, this all depends on what they decide to do with phil... this decision will probably come out tomorrow.

whitak24 · 06-17-2004, 11:36 PM

right, but if kobe decides he wants to go.....

slaus · 06-17-2004, 11:51 PM

Kobe really needs to declare his intentions to the Lakers soon because its pivotal to their entire offseason plans. If he decides he wants to stay, it might push the Lakers to trade Shaq. Its always better to trade a great player a year early than a year late.

kei2 · 06-18-2004, 01:44 AM

With the #11 pick, I hope the Warriors somehow come away with Dwight Howard. If Josh Childress (of Stanford fame) slips to #11, Monty (Mike Montgomery) will probably jump at that opportunity.

CornMonkey · 06-18-2004, 03:50 AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...p-175655c.html

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L.A. mulls Rudy T. as coach

Former Houston Rockets coach Rudy Tomjanovich is emerging as a top candidate to replace Phil Jackson as Lakers coach if Jackson does not return, according to a source familiar with the Lakers' thinking.

Tomjanovich, who resigned as coach 13 months ago after being diagnosed with bladder cancer, owns a lifetime 503-397 record and coached Houston to back-to-back NBA titles in 1994 and 1995. He is regarded as a superb offensive coach who is well-liked by players and one who has first-hand experience relating to superstars, having coached Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen.

The Lakers believe Tomjanovich's personality would serve as a calming influence for Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant, teammates who have feuded for years. Bryant will opt out of his contract on July1 but is likely to re-sign with the Lakers.

Jackson's contract expires this summer, and after the Lakers were eliminated on Tuesday, he said the chances of him returning were "slim."

Kurt Rambis, who was Jackson's predecessor and is a Lakers assistant coach, is also a candidate for the head job. Pat Riley is a long-shot to return to Los Angeles because he is under contract for one more season with the Miami Heat and his deal includes ownership of the team.

Tomjanovich, 55, spent the past season with the Rockets as a personnel consultant and part-time scout but wants to return to coaching.

whitak24 · 06-18-2004, 06:33 AM

Rudy T is a class-act and a great coach. i'd love to see him get back into coaching.

attgig · 06-18-2004, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by whitak24

Problem for layden (and believe me, i'm not defending him -- i think he was beyond worthless) was that when you have so many long-term, high dollar deals, you can't rebuild. you can only shuffle in other high dollar, overpriced players in hopes of creating slightly better chemistry (which is basically what thomas did this season, but i don't think it's a long-term solution)

except that he's the one that signed houston to his ridiculous contract....that's the biggest killer right now.

you could go down the whole list of things that Layden did, and though it wasn't all his fault (he butt heads with van gundy in what kind of team they wanted to form...and thus, accomplished neither), he traded in bad contracts for worse contracts.

slaus · 06-18-2004, 07:52 AM

I dont think Rudy T would sign on to be the coach of the Lakers. He had trouble dealing with Steve Francis who was a me first type player. He's a little more old school and would easily get frustrated with the Lakers squad

bachviet · 06-18-2004, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CornMonkey

i honestly think the lakers would more likely trade shaq than to let go of kobe. of course, this all depends on what they decide to do with phil... this decision will probably come out tomorrow.

Who in the league has $30M to pay for Shaq's salary? With salary that big, it's very hard to trade Shaq.

ray · 06-18-2004, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bachviet

Who in the league has $30M to pay for Shaq's salary? With salary that big, it's very hard to trade Shaq.

I bet the Clippers and Orlando could get that money...if they traded all their name players ie: EB, TMac, Magette, Grant Hill, Q

ialsohaveadream · 06-18-2004, 08:59 AM

I don't think Shaq is ever coming back to Orlando.

ray · 06-18-2004, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ialsohaveadream

I don't think Shaq is ever coming back to Orlando.

Oh the memories of Penny, Shaq and Lil' Penny

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06-17-2004, 04:58 PM	#1
ialsohaveadream Fleet Admiral Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: FL Posts: 8,077	Official NBA draft thread Ok, who are you hoping your team gets? Be realistic, too. The Spurs aren't going to end up with Okafor. I'm kinda hoping the Heat get Luke Jackson from Oregon (and the Bobcats take Eddie Jones in the expansion draft). He's been climbing a lot of draft boards lately, so that may be wishful thinking. The Heat need a big man, but all the top prospects are foreigners or high schoolers, which I'm not interested in.

06-17-2004, 05:05 PM	#2
slaus Commander Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,189	The knicks dont have a first rounder so I guess I'm stuck waiting for a few years to get excited for the draft.

06-17-2004, 06:02 PM	#5
slaus Commander Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,189	Theres rumors that Rasheed Wallace might still take a below market deal to go to the Knicks but outside of that everything is pretty much dreaming

06-17-2004, 06:26 PM	#6
ialsohaveadream Fleet Admiral Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: FL Posts: 8,077	Rasheed won't take a pay cut. Trust me. And Telfair is garbage. If he wasn't from NYC, nobody would've ever heard of him.

06-17-2004, 06:45 PM	#7
whitak24 easily amused Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: my office Posts: 9,781	the knicks are in such a tough position because most of their roster is highly overpaid, given their talent level. so it's going to be so tough to get a team like orlando (with mcgrady) or LA (with kobe) to give up a superstar for an overpaid.....kurt thomas.

06-17-2004, 07:17 PM	#8
ialsohaveadream Fleet Admiral Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: FL Posts: 8,077	Yup, the Knicks are stuck trying to trade for Juwan Howard or something.

06-17-2004, 07:48 PM	#9
slaus Commander Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,189	Hey, we have some bloated but expiring contracts!

06-17-2004, 09:24 PM	#10
whitak24 easily amused Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: my office Posts: 9,781	really? i thought that most of zeke's midseason moves actually ended up bringing in players with contracts that would be expiring later, rather than sooner. who going to be done this year?

06-17-2004, 09:29 PM	#11
cheapie Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: raising my pimp hand strong Posts: 13,038	who cares? it's gonna be football season soon! wOOt! wOOt! there are two games that i'm gonna be sure to be at. colts vs. lions on thanksgiving day. and the monday night colts vs. vikings. __________________ 70% of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Bob Sanders

06-17-2004, 09:32 PM	#12
slaus Commander Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,189	I think mutombo is one of them and theres another guy too. In total its around 8m in expiring contracts, which absolutely doesnt help the Knicks because we're tens of millions over the cap

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06-17-2004, 09:43 PM	#13
whitak24 easily amused Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: my office Posts: 9,781	well, at least now you'll be 8m closer to the cap. the end of the ewing era was really a mistake for the franchise, and i think it's going to take another few years before they get back into a position of contending for championships. of course, it's not helped by the desire to immediately field a competitive team (which i can't blame the people who are paying 10k for courtside seats for wanting this).

06-17-2004, 09:47 PM	#14
slaus Commander Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,189	They should have never traded Ewing instead they shoudl have let his contract run out. The trade brought back Glen Rice which then led to Howard Eisley and Shannon Anderson. There was no reason to give Allan Houston a 5 year 100m deal. While I like bringing Marbury back, I do wish the Knicks would be serious about rebuilding instead of just plugging holes and trying to make the playoffs. The goal should be trying to win a championship and not just making the playoffs.

06-17-2004, 11:30 PM	#19
CornMonkey Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: May 2000 Location: in front of my computer Posts: 2,503	i honestly think the lakers would more likely trade shaq than to let go of kobe. of course, this all depends on what they decide to do with phil... this decision will probably come out tomorrow.

06-17-2004, 11:36 PM	#20
whitak24 easily amused Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: my office Posts: 9,781	right, but if kobe decides he wants to go.....

06-17-2004, 11:51 PM	#21
slaus Commander Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,189	Kobe really needs to declare his intentions to the Lakers soon because its pivotal to their entire offseason plans. If he decides he wants to stay, it might push the Lakers to trade Shaq. Its always better to trade a great player a year early than a year late.

06-18-2004, 01:44 AM	#22
kei2 Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,102	With the #11 pick, I hope the Warriors somehow come away with Dwight Howard. If Josh Childress (of Stanford fame) slips to #11, Monty (Mike Montgomery) will probably jump at that opportunity.

06-18-2004, 06:33 AM	#24
whitak24 easily amused Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: my office Posts: 9,781	Rudy T is a class-act and a great coach. i'd love to see him get back into coaching.

06-18-2004, 07:52 AM	#26
slaus Commander Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,189	I dont think Rudy T would sign on to be the coach of the Lakers. He had trouble dealing with Steve Francis who was a me first type player. He's a little more old school and would easily get frustrated with the Lakers squad

06-18-2004, 08:59 AM	#29
ialsohaveadream Fleet Admiral Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: FL Posts: 8,077	I don't think Shaq is ever coming back to Orlando.