men's highbar drama.

attgig · 08-23-2004, 09:07 PM

http://sportsline.com/olympics/story/7607401

that judging is just horrible. (comentary is even worse, but...)

1) I don't see how the russian's score was that low.
and
2)i don't see how paul hamm's score can even the Italian dude's score.

the italian dude's twisting dismount moves were crazy compared to the release and catch that hamm did....

this judging is just wrong.

ialsohaveadream · 08-23-2004, 09:26 PM

Hamm's routine was weak, and that Russian's routine was otherworldly. The Russian takes one step on a dismount after a routine where he nailed every move he made on the bar, and he somehow gets a 9.7? If you're starting from a 10, that means that one step was worth .3? Whatever.

I loved how the crowd kept booing. I thought they might riot after Hamm got a higher score.

attgig · 08-23-2004, 09:28 PM

seriously. the whistling and the crap that the fans were giving them....craziness. never heard an olympic crowd get that rowdy. almost resembled shea stadium when John Rocker was pitching.

ceeka · 08-24-2004, 01:35 AM

Maybe they should start scoring gymnastics like they do ice skating. One part on technical merit and one part on artistic impression. I thought the Russian's performance was very entertaining (second to the Italians), but I have no idea of the technical parts of it.

psycho- · 08-24-2004, 02:13 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...gym/index.html

When we re-judge, we should rejudge EVERYTHING.

Quote:

So why not a second gold medal? Why not accommodate the upset Koreans and send everyone home happy? Well for one thing, you can make a pretty good case that, if you're going to go to the videotape, Yang shouldn't have won.

Yes, the videotape of the parallel bars showed the judges erred by assigning a 9.9 start value. But it showed something else, too. In the course of his routine, Yang had four holds on the bar, when the rules allow for a maximum of three. The deduction for that mistake? Two-tenths of a point.

The judges missed it.

ArkiStan · 08-24-2004, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psycho-

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...gym/index.html

When we re-judge, we should rejudge EVERYTHING.

Shouldn't the US be happy enough about getting a gold medal? Why feel so insecure about it that you have to write a whole article defending the legitimacy of it? You beat him, got the gold and the game's over. Any reason to kick dirt in the face of the defeated?

attgig · 08-24-2004, 08:26 AM

wrong thread, that's the good day for cycling and gymnastics thread

this is about last night's drama with the crowd jeering and going crazy actually FORCING the judges to rescore the russian's routine.

psycho- · 08-24-2004, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArkiStan

Shouldn't the US be happy enough about getting a gold medal? Why feel so insecure about it that you have to write a whole article defending the legitimacy of it? You beat him, got the gold and the game's over. Any reason to kick dirt in the face of the defeated?

It's not written "By the US". It's written by a sports columnist. It's not a "pagentry" of aloofness and arrogance or insecurity; but rather a response to what is widely seen as anti-Hamm..ism. In any case, the article is an interesting read and brings up many good points.

BTW, I'm amazed the South Korean team isn't challenging the scoring on the High Bar too

eSDee · 08-24-2004, 02:14 PM

Didn't Yang Tae Young win the Bronze? If so, then is Hamm supposed to trade the Gold for the Bronze? That would suck to go from Gold to Bronze so I don't blame the dude for not giving it up.

DarkFury · 08-24-2004, 02:31 PM

South Korea eh....

Sounds like "payback" for the "Roy Jones" travesty of Seoul in 1988....

LegendKiller · 08-24-2004, 02:54 PM

One of the things about the SK gymnast is that if they did rescore him he'd probably be in the same boat. Several people have commented that had 1 too many releases during his program.

LK

cheapie · 08-24-2004, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkFury

South Korea eh....

Sounds like "payback" for the "Roy Jones" travesty of Seoul in 1988....

preach it PREACHA!!!!!

cheapie · 08-24-2004, 04:07 PM

can you blame the greeks? half their athletes have either been disqualified for drugs or jumped off balconies.

and i love how suddenly the americans are the bad guys. it's because of us that the canadians got the duplicate gold last time. poor hamm. if the judges hadn't effed up the korean would have gotten an even lower score and somehow people think hamm should give up his medal. nice. very nice.

and apparently nobody watched the team event. the americans got knocked down large amounts for seemingly insiginificant mistakes. how many of them complained. in fact, the effing day before the olympics started, one of the judges told blaine that a routine that he had been doing for a year was now worth .1 less. how many protests were lodged then? how many fans booed that?

maybe the next time the koreans face the americans in some other sport they can do that skating thing again. that was pretty cool. especially since it was the soccer players that called the penalty on the korean skater.

fans need to just relax and contenders need to realize that the judges aren't pro-american.

Jenny · 08-24-2004, 04:31 PM

yup

psycho- · 08-24-2004, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheapie

maybe the next time the koreans face the americans in some other sport they can do that skating thing again. that was pretty cool. especially since it was the soccer players that called the penalty on the korean skater.

fans need to just relax and contenders need to realize that the judges aren't pro-american.

Well, SK is ....SK.

With recent pro-nationalism movements, they really hate America...except when it comes to defence protection.

faither · 08-24-2004, 04:56 PM

I feel this is just payback for the SK's screwing Roy Jones Jr. back in '88.

bachviet · 08-24-2004, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eSDeeLoco

Didn't Yang Tae Young win the Bronze? If so, then is Hamm supposed to trade the Gold for the Bronze? That would suck to go from Gold to Bronze so I don't blame the dude for not giving it up.

Hamm would end up with the silver and the Korean with the silver would get the bronze.

DarkFury · 08-24-2004, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faither

I feel this is just payback for the SK's screwing Roy Jones Jr. back in '88.

Anybody hear that echo.... echo.... echo....

sbp · 08-25-2004, 11:21 AM

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A few weeks ago Soul brother and his Filipino wife got back from staying in South Korea for over a year. They couldn't wait to get out of that place! He said the South Koreans were nasty and very xenophobic. Yeah I asked him if they had been that way due to his race and he replied the South Koreans just hate everyone. Guess that's what comes from having a pretty closed country for such a long time.

cheapie · 08-25-2004, 04:25 PM

att's cool tho'. kinda.

eSDee · 08-25-2004, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bachviet

Hamm would end up with the silver and the Korean with the silver would get the bronze.

Well that's not fair to the guy with the silver either. Suck it up Korea.

08-23-2004, 09:07 PM	#1
attgig Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: the burbs of baltimore Posts: 11,924	men's highbar drama. http://sportsline.com/olympics/story/7607401 that judging is just horrible. (comentary is even worse, but...) 1) I don't see how the russian's score was that low. and 2)i don't see how paul hamm's score can even the Italian dude's score. the italian dude's twisting dismount moves were crazy compared to the release and catch that hamm did.... this judging is just wrong. __________________ Last edited by attgig : 08-23-2004 at 09:10 PM.

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08-23-2004, 09:26 PM	#2
ialsohaveadream Fleet Admiral Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: FL Posts: 8,077	Hamm's routine was weak, and that Russian's routine was otherworldly. The Russian takes one step on a dismount after a routine where he nailed every move he made on the bar, and he somehow gets a 9.7? If you're starting from a 10, that means that one step was worth .3? Whatever. I loved how the crowd kept booing. I thought they might riot after Hamm got a higher score.

08-23-2004, 09:28 PM	#3
attgig Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: the burbs of baltimore Posts: 11,924	seriously. the whistling and the crap that the fans were giving them....craziness. never heard an olympic crowd get that rowdy. almost resembled shea stadium when John Rocker was pitching.

08-24-2004, 01:35 AM	#4
ceeka Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 348	Maybe they should start scoring gymnastics like they do ice skating. One part on technical merit and one part on artistic impression. I thought the Russian's performance was very entertaining (second to the Italians), but I have no idea of the technical parts of it.

08-24-2004, 08:26 AM	#7
attgig Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: the burbs of baltimore Posts: 11,924	wrong thread, that's the good day for cycling and gymnastics thread this is about last night's drama with the crowd jeering and going crazy actually FORCING the judges to rescore the russian's routine.

08-24-2004, 02:54 PM	#11
LegendKiller Vice Admiral Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,927	One of the things about the SK gymnast is that if they did rescore him he'd probably be in the same boat. Several people have commented that had 1 too many releases during his program. LK

08-24-2004, 04:07 PM	#13
cheapie Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: raising my pimp hand strong Posts: 13,038	can you blame the greeks? half their athletes have either been disqualified for drugs or jumped off balconies. and i love how suddenly the americans are the bad guys. it's because of us that the canadians got the duplicate gold last time. poor hamm. if the judges hadn't effed up the korean would have gotten an even lower score and somehow people think hamm should give up his medal. nice. very nice. and apparently nobody watched the team event. the americans got knocked down large amounts for seemingly insiginificant mistakes. how many of them complained. in fact, the effing day before the olympics started, one of the judges told blaine that a routine that he had been doing for a year was now worth .1 less. how many protests were lodged then? how many fans booed that? maybe the next time the koreans face the americans in some other sport they can do that skating thing again. that was pretty cool. especially since it was the soccer players that called the penalty on the korean skater. fans need to just relax and contenders need to realize that the judges aren't pro-american.

08-24-2004, 04:56 PM	#16
faither Rear Admiral Upper Half Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: FL Posts: 3,240	I feel this is just payback for the SK's screwing Roy Jones Jr. back in '88.

08-25-2004, 11:21 AM	#19
sbp Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 11,037	-------------- A few weeks ago Soul brother and his Filipino wife got back from staying in South Korea for over a year. They couldn't wait to get out of that place! He said the South Koreans were nasty and very xenophobic. Yeah I asked him if they had been that way due to his race and he replied the South Koreans just hate everyone. Guess that's what comes from having a pretty closed country for such a long time.

08-25-2004, 04:25 PM	#20
cheapie Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: raising my pimp hand strong Posts: 13,038	att's cool tho'. kinda.

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