Grubbie

Ok im getting bored with the slow update of rumors coming in about the winter meetings. I know they are almost over but why not start a rumor mill page. I can try to update it when I am around my computer.

Current rumor: M's are about to ink sexson to a deal, reported by the seattle PI.

Beltre: current rumors are the M's are hot on him with an offer of 5yr 62mil, or a 6yr 78mil on the table. Maybe even a 7year. LA is also interested and detroit is the mystery team. M's supposly have the biggest offer on the table but might be getting tired with boras trying to get them to up the bid, since it appears they are goign against themselves.

Hudson to LA for edwin jackson, been reported allllll day, still no further info on it.

Delgado is asking for the moon with a 4yr 64million deal that he wants. Baltimore, NY mets and the M's are interseted(unless the sexson deal goes through).

Koskie: Lot of teams interested as backup to beltre, supposly 3y/17mil from toronto might be signed.

Renteria: Was reported that he was about to ink with the redsox yesterday, that cooled today. St louis is back in the mix now.

Some stranglign rumors about kaz matsui leaving the mets and the mets signing orlando cabrera.

Edit: I did this cause I am getting sick and tired or reading espn for rumors. The mlb rumor central is a joke and updated maybe twice a day(once big in the morning, then one small one at night). Most of the rumors have been spreading around blogs with people who have connections and are actually there at the winter meetings. I just love the update from gammons which had NO news, ohh toronto almost signed koskie great, pavano is still working on details, so is pedro. renteria and cabrera might get signed by the end of the week and hudson might go to LA by the end of the week. Seriously I can't stand the info espn provides anymore.

IrishSS

Stupid M's... Sexson or Delgado... hmmmm? Are you nuts??? Screw Richie Sexson. They finally have a chance to pick up some higher caliber players and are going to **** it up with Sexson?

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attgig

is delgado that much better than sexson? if sexson is healthy, they're pretty much right there with each other. Delgado has maybe a few ba points on him, a few rbi's and hr's...but virtually the same.


I'm hearing that Odalis is almost a met, they have an offer on the table for sexson, and they just offered delgado a 3 year contract - though it seems that baltimore is the front runner for delgado. Also, Minaya seems to be hot on Moises Alou...and that he'll be a met next year.

oh, and the new hot rumor is that Manny Ramirez might be a met.... there was talks about Kaz & piazza going for manny and mientkiewicz, but now, the new rumor is that it'll just be cliff for manny straight up, no money involved.

oh, and btw, can you tell I'm a mets fan?

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http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3242270


Mariners close to landing slugger Sexson
The Mariners are close to finalizing a deal with free-agent first baseman Richie Sexson, Sporting News has learned.


The deal is pending Sexson passing a physical.



The 6-foot-7 Sexson is coming off an injury-shortened season with the Arizona Diamondbacks. He hurt his left shoulder twice and did not play after May, batting .233 with nine homers and 23 RBIs.

Still, his proven power makes him an attractive free agent. Sexson, who will turn 30 on Dec. 29, hit 45 homers for Milwaukee in 2001 and 2003, and he has four career 100-RBI seasons.

The Diamondbacks sent six players to the Brewers for Sexson last year, including Lyle Overbay. Sexson, who received $8.6 million for his 23-game season, filed for free agency last month and has given no indication that he plans to return to a team that lost 111 games last season. The Associated Press contributed to this report

IrishSS

See, its the injury that gets me... Who knows how he will perform at this point. Why sign him to a rather large contract just to see him flounder? Granted, anybody could get hurt at anytime. I've just felt like Delgado was a better player at basically anytime.

And snatching Beltre wouldnt hurt either, although I think he will be hard-pressed to ever match his numbers from last year.

I would also like to see them put a bid in for Hudson. Another strong arm in the rotation could really help the M's go far and perhaps make the playoffs...

Booyamos

Pedro to the mets
http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSo...rticleid=58655

4 years, $56 million. Big sticking point was the 4th year guaranteed, which the sox would not do. this should screw everything up.

Sexson deal is not final, waiting on physical, delgado deal maybe coming. Dodgers holding a press coference today, not sure what they are announcing.

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YanksFanRy

Too many Yankees possibilities to get into

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tupacboy

in theo we trust... lol

whitak24

i may wind up eating my words, but i think letting pedro go is going to work out fine for the sox. he's a good pitcher, but he's no longer dominant, and to sign him for another 4 years at $14 million per is a big commitment.

if you look at where he was 4 years ago, vs. where he is now, it's a pretty big change. and if he continues at a similar rate of decline, i don't think he'll be putting up big numbers in the 4th year.

but like i said, when you look at the late-career success of guys like clemens, schilling, and johnson, i could be reading the tea leaves wrong.

zenbooty

He's not worth that money. He'll fit in with the Mets organization just fine. They've got a long line of players signed to maximum dollars after reaching their peak.

Its a little-kept secret that Pedro has a rotator cuff tear deep in his shoulder. Its not an injury that's going to go away.

Those guys were big solid men who could handle the power they generated. Pedro is tiny by comparison. I think he's going to decline overall. He'll still do well for a season or two I imagine.

One concern of mine though is what kind of effect this might have on Ramirez and Ortiz. I remember the antics they pulled in the dugout, and it was obvious they were close.

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kei2

Does that mean they're the Golden State Warriors of baseball? haha owned. Regarding Cliff for Manny... what in the world? No way Boston agrees to that.

attgig

as much as i'd hate to say it....i think it's true too...HOWEVER, i think pedro has 2-3 years of 15-20 wins/year....definitely worried about that last one, but by then...well, i don't know...we'll worry about that later.

as for the redsox, it was only a year ago he was put on irrevocable waivers. his contract is still 20 mil/year. i think they're still willing to get rid of manny...though i don't know if cliff is enough.

WOW... carlos lee for posednik?!??!?!?! what are the brewers talking about?


anyways, sexson has a 4 year deal with the mariners...seems like it's over.

AlpineJay

If Boston wants to dump Manny's salary to have a little flexibility in funds (which Theo likes.. a LOT) they'll bite on the deal. Floyd will save them over 5 mil/yr.

I think I read that the final terms of the deal that will get accepted for Pedro is 4 years/50 million. Too much money to spend on a pitcher who's clearly on his way down, but it'll be nice to see him go through the nightmare that NY fans give him.

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eSDee

David Wells signed with Boston, my guess is because he heard that they like to drink before the games Good luck handling that tubby bastard. He could have been a hometown idol by sticking with the Padres. But apparently the money is all that matters.

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Merlin

He has got plenty of money. He is more into being on a competitive team. And yes, he may look out of shape but Wells can eat innings, keep the ERA down, and throw strikes. If you give him a lead he can be a very effictive pitcher. The only real concern is his back. Bad history there and he is fairly old so I'm pretty sure it will pop up again. But what he gives you for the price paid - he is a good investment.

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Booyamos

i think the sox are good to let pedro go, if he wants more money/years to play for a crappy team go for it. He has been steadily declining and his fastball is nowhere near what it used to be. The only concern i have is our pitching staff is getting quite old.. they need to look into some young guns.

eSDee

I forgot to put my bitter tags around my post. You're right, he's still got a lot to offer. However I still believe it's been all about the money for him for a while now. He has not shown me any integrity, for instance when he got traded for Roger Clemens the year after he threw a perfect game for the Yankees, he said he cried like a baby and was devistated. He was betrayed by Steinbrenner, but a couple of years later Steiny offers him a big contact and all of a sudden it's like what betrayal? He fell in line like a good little money grubber.

The he moves to the Padres where he gets a much better deal than the Yankees were giving him. If he wanted to be on a competitive team he should have stayed with them then, but he didn't. He comes to Diego because they don't make as big a deal about his weight. He gets all kinds of bonuses, including the one that said if he made a certain amount of starts (which he didn't because he injured himself in a drunken stupor). Padres try to negotiate with him and are in the middle of talks when Boston comes with a phatty contract and he's gone. What does all that say to me? He's interested in the money first, competition second. He can eat up innings as a 3rd starter in Boston but he could have been number 2 or number 1 in San Diego. As far as who is more competitive next year we'll have to see. But don't count Diego out yet. They've got a young strong team, and althought they won't have the payroll of the Red Sox, they should do better than they have in the recent past.

Maybe I should have put bitter tags around this post too

Merlin

Yeah, he did have a weird relationship with the Yanks. He loved the fans and playing there under the spotlight. He really loves the spotlight. But last year when he came out of a World Series game in the first inning because of back trouble that pretty much punched his ticket out of town. The Yanks felt like they couldn't rely on him. I wouldn't mind having him though.

Hopper1

Mariners signed Sexson today.

http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASA..._sea&fext=.jsp

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whitak24

apparently the pedro deal is finalized, as medical approval went through.

the red sox also signed cardinals' shortstop edgar renterria (sp?). great signing, imo. he made some amazing defensive plays during both the NLCS and WS last year.

Grubbie

Yup and I want to go kill myself, I can't believe they gave him 50million over 4years with his bad shoulder.

kei2

Yeah Renteria's a stud. Not a huge slugger, so he was always in the shadow of guys like Pujols, Rolen, and Edmonds, but he's a great defensive stopper that can hit for average and swipe bags. Good #2 hitter.

tupacboy

in theo we trust... i guess... just sign a good pitcher already... i'm thinking with renteria signed we now have manley that we can offer to get hudson... but i'm still suspect on clement... we'll see i guess

Merlin

Not too many of them available. The one I'd like to have is Kevin Millwood.

Booyamos

eh from what i have heard the Hudson talks are too expensive. Bean wants an arm and a leg, so there is more focus now on Burnett (marlins) because he seems to be cheaper. Main problem is the sox don't have a lot of prospects to send. they have a few young guys, youk, arroyo etc, but i have faith in theo.

The M's signing.. i think they overpaid for him, but they believe his shoulder is 100% healthy. So hopefully it will work out and it is a backloaded contract so there is still room for them to grab Beltre. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...00_mari16.html
Seems like delgado or beltre.. i hope beltre because they need to pick up some young guys and not get an old team like what happened the last few years. And i think he has some major potentional as seen in last season.

Booyamos

M'S SIGN BELTRE!!!
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1947751

5 years $65 million from what i have heard. yay!

tupacboy

wow...i'm surprised to see seattle open the pocketbook soo much in one season...

raimin

boo, we lost beltran to 3 prospects, where's giles

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IrishSS

At least one good thing came of this off season... Now, I still hear they are looking to sign Delgado to DH, but personally, I'd like to see them spend that money an a quality starting pitcher.

eSDee

I can't believe how outrageous salaries have become.