cheapie

i was thinking about the three remaining nfc teams (the iggles/vikings game is still going on) and noticed that they all have a black qb and none of the remaining afc teams do. i don't have any major comments or insights, i just thought it was interesting.

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cheapie

wth are you talking about??? if i said, gee, doesn't it suck that there are three black qb's in the game you might have a point. but when has this ever happened before. i think it's interesting and i'm not being racist or going to far to notice it.


wow. what an insightful comment. if the last three quarterbacks in the nfc were hispanic i'll bet you'd notice.

cheapie

the extended version of my thoughts were that when those three were drafted they were supposedly the future of the nfl. they struggled their first few years and it seems that they are indeed producing great results. however, on the othe side of the nfl you have a couple old(er) school qb's in manning and brady who aren't nearly as mobile but put up great numbers as well. it will be interesting to note what the trend is going to be come the next several draft years.

is that objectionable or should i have run my thoughts through the censor machine before thinging/posting them?

nickel

i think there used to be a time not too long ago when it was a more rare thing to have a black quarterback in the NFL, no?

i am glad to see what cheapie has pointed out. i feel there were some underlying racial reasons for there being mainly white quarterbacks in the past, so seeing more black quarterbacks is a good thing.

that being said, GO DONOVAN McNABB! he's my boy - a Syracuse University grad

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TofuNinja

Wow you know I noticed what Cheapie said, but I didn't really think about it. McNabb, Vick, and Culpepper. Three great QBs. I don't think Cheapie said anything wrong.... perhaps someone was quick to pull a Joe Buck........

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eSDee

cheapie just said it was interesting that they were black, not that it was a testament to the struggle that black athletes have gone through to become accepted as quarterbacks. His revision of his thoughts have more to do with their age rather than their color, so it doesn't make any sense why he would note what color they were and say he had no comments/insight on it.


You're right. And you seem to bring up race a lot.

nickel

there really isn't a need for this to be an issue eSDee. i don't think cheapie made a racist comment if that is what you are suggesting. i think it was a simple observation.

ialsohaveadream

That's right, honky. And we're slowly getting to the point where black coaches are becoming more common.

I think the more telling thing is that it seems to be the more mobile quarterbacks that tend to succeed in the playoffs (except Tom Brady, who is just incredibly, undeniably awesome when it comes to winning the big one...unlike his opponent today). Vick, McNabb, and Roethlisberger are all much more athletic guys than we used to get at the QB position.

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cheapie

and you seem to ignore the fact that i have constantly been anything but racist. i'm not talking about the struggle. i'm talking about the type of qb. fast, mobile, etc. age? wtf? was peyton their type of qb at vick's age? no. and it's probably the first time THREE BLACK QBs have been this far in the playoffs at the same time. pardon the **** out of me for noticing. feel free to actually talk about what i say instead of jumping down my throat every time you see an opening. i can take critisism if it has an iota of merit. but yours is ****. get a clue about me, have a point, and then, and only should you be allowed to jump down my throat. until then, step off.

eSDee

I didn't call you a racist. Your initial comments said nothing to what you describe here so don't try and play it off. I offered you constructive criticism because honestly a statement like that is ignorant. Pointing out their race only and not saying anything else, well, that's gonna get people thinking. When you elaborate as to the reason you notice it that makes it more understandable, but just as you said it, is ignorant.

cheapie

i reserve the right to notice a person's race. doing so is not racist. i have been here for a while. in my nearly 7000 posts i have enver posted anything even remotely resembling racism and the insinuation pissed me off possibly more than anything else you could have said. why is noticing that for possibly the first time ever the last three nfc quarterbacks are black beyond the realm of acceptable behavior. if i had said that they were all from usc, chicago, etc., nobody would have said anything. but the fact that i mentioned a race apparently set off bells in your and df's head.

yeah, i've posted about race issues before. the ones i can recall are how racist i found old movies to be and that i found a new respect for MLK after watching a documentary on him. how terrible is that?

DarkFury

My... you get mighty "offensive" over 3 smilelys... dont'cha think?

Looks to me that you are doin' all the talkin here... did my smilelys have that deep an impact on ya?

cheapie

df...you talk in smileys. why would i be hurt any less because you used symbols instead of words?

you know i'm not racist and that's why i was offended that you immediately brushed off my comments as racist or whatever the 2far was intended to imply.

DarkFury

I never said that you were racist... and you read too much into my smileys if you thought that...

My thoughts are... why should it matter?

Honestly dude... step down from your "high horse" on this one. Ain't nobody said all of that... and if you put yourself in a position to be construed that way, then that's your OWN DAYUUMED FAULT.

Have a nice day.

cheapie

why should your opinion matter to me? you're a respected member here and i've always liked you.

and i'm not on a high horse. few things are more frustrated that being branded a racist.

DarkFury

Understood...

But for the record... I never said that you were racist. And that's where things went downhill on the assumption.

Thank you for your consideration though I appreciate it.

TofuNinja

People need to stop pulling a "Joe Buck"....making mountains out of mole hills

hahaha I am not a respected member of this forum so I have to repeat myself

eSDee

No one called you a racist so if anything you are projecting. The fact that you noticed the race of these guys before anything else says a little about how you think, and whether you want to own up to it or not you made an ignorant statement. If you want to prove me wrong, why don't you go up to a group of Black people and ask them if they noticed all the quarterbacks in the nfc playoffs are black. Don't give them any details other than that, just as you did in your first post. See how they react. If they don't look at you with a shifty eye then you will have proved me wrong. Until then, the truth is the truth. I am befriending you to let you know that if you really want to be thought of as a "race friendly" individual, you should stop noticing the race of the person and focus on the actions. You need to know that.

cheapie

i didn't notice it first, i pointed it out first. and your scenario...if i walked up to a group of african-americans and said anything i'd get the shifty eye. hi, i'm a stranger and i'm going to ask you a question.

stop noticing the race of the person? what??? it's part of who someone is. just like their height, age, demeanor, religion, etc. why is that portion of their person not to be noticed? that's what i hate about knee-jerk reactions like yours. it doesn't make any sense. it's just....ooooh, cheapie said something about color, it's gotta be bad!

no, you and df didn't say i was being racist. but rolling eyes, saying noticing or commenting on the ethnicity is bad, and saying that i post a lot of race-related items certainly hints that you think i am.

BrewMaster

cheapie, I think the only point is that had you pointed out the skills of these three QBs first and the fact that they have a different style on the field than most QBs, that is being big, mobile, and elusive, no one would have questioned you. or that all three of these guys are in the NFC not the AFC. fine. but you had no other "major comments" besides race. that, I think, is what makes people a bit uneasy. post more than just about the race of the 3 QBs. but your first posts only notes race.

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TofuNinja

I think that Cheapie just notices stuff like this. Nothing wrong with it. If I remember right, he asked about Chinese people thinking that babies were cute and going ga ga over them at their restaurants. No pulled a race card there, so why is this different? Its not.

ialsohaveadream

Good point. Time to dig up that thread and pull the race card. Thanks for the suggestion.

tupacboy

what cheapie is chinese?... hmm... never knew that....

cheapie

i'm not just talking about the type. i'm also talking about their race. it probably IS the first time this has happened. if the republican candidate for prez was african-american are you saying nobody here would mention that it's noteworthy?

BrewMaster

yes, but your first post only mentioned race. so if you were talking about the type of QBs and the race, you should have said so. instead your first post mentioned only race.

i know you meant no harm by it and I think you've done nothing wrong, I am just trying to explain why others reacted negatively.

kei2

Not saying that such a remark makes a person racist, but I was thinking the same thing as eSDee.Truth be told, I was a little uncomfortable with that thread. When you form an idea of an entire group based on the actions of individuals, that's bad times. Stereotyping is never good.Race is socially defined and not static. A look at the history of populations in the United States is a good example of that; persons of certain national origins were classified differently based solely on the time period and other external factors. There is no genetic basis behind racial classification. Height and age, on the other hand, are quantitative and objective.

cheapie

yes. i noticed their race. i made NO ignorant statements. noticing that three people of a certain race have reached a position for the first time is not wrong, racist, or unacceptable. i do not feel bad about it as i didn't not stereotype, make derogatory statements, or speak poorly about them because of their race. why does acknowledging or discussing race make you uncomfortable?