T.O. kicked out of Eagles camp by Reid

MikeD · 08-10-2005, 02:07 PM

Hot off the presses, so not sure how accurate this is. From ESPN...

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BETHLEHEM, Pa. -- Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Terrell Owens exchanged words with head coach Andy Reid at a team meeting Wednesday and was asked to leave, according to news reports.

Owens then got his belongings and cleared out of Eagles training camp at Lehigh University, according to two television reports.

Earlier Wednesday, he had missed practice for the fifth time in six days because of a left groin injury.

Owens worked out with the team's assistant trainer for about 20 minutes on a separate playing field from his teammates, catching balls from a machine and doing some light running. He did not speak to reporters or acknowledge the fans who chanted his name.

The All-Pro receiver sat out practices last Friday and Saturday. He returned Sunday for both the morning and afternoon sessions, but hasn't practiced since.

Owens is unhappy the Eagles have refused to redo his contract as he enters the second season of a seven-year, $48.97 million deal.

Last season, Owens had 77 receptions for 1,200 yards and a franchise-record 14 touchdowns receptions before severely injuring his ankle late in the season. He missed the final two regular-season games and the first two playoff games before returning for the Super Bowl, in which he had nine receptions for 122 yards.

raimin · 08-10-2005, 03:28 PM

haha, suckers...i knew the niners did good, and the right thing when they lost TO, sure hes one of the best receiver right now, but you have to deal with this attitude.

AlpineJay · 08-10-2005, 03:47 PM

I've been hearing that he walked out rather than was asked to leave.

DarkFury · 08-10-2005, 04:19 PM

If anyone reads ESPN the Magazine....

There is an interesting article in the current issue comparing Terrell Owens to Coach Larry Brown... interestingly enough, for doing virtually the same thing, they don't boo at Larry Brown like they do Terrell.

The article made some good points (which were also mentioned in a previous thread here at G|A)... professional football player contracts are not guaranteed, so the owners can just cancel then anytime they feel like it. So pretty much, if you feel like you are being "underpaid" as compared to others in your position at your premier level of play, then "not playing" is really your only recourse to get a renegotiation.

The article cited that nowhere else would you find such one sided contracts like these... where the "person performing" was held to such a standard without any guarantees. Yet others, like Coach Brown, have guaranteed contracts that will pay him regardless if he coaches or not.

Interesting read indeed...

ialsohaveadream · 08-10-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkFury

There is an interesting article in the current issue comparing Terrell Owens to Coach Larry Brown... interestingly enough, for doing virtually the same thing, they don't boo at Larry Brown like they do Terrell.

I boo at Larry Brown. He screws over every team he leaves. But I wouldn't say T.O. is quite the same. Owens is only on his second team. And Larry never ran out onto the middle of a basketball court and struck a superstar pose.

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Originally Posted by DarkFury

The article cited that nowhere else would you find such one sided contracts like these... where the "person performing" was held to such a standard without any guarantees. Yet others, like Coach Brown, have guaranteed contracts that will pay him regardless if he coaches or not.

Yeah, it's very odd. NBA contracts are way too generous to the players, and NFL contracts are the exact opposite. Reggie Miller is still going to collect an enormous paycheck this year even after retiring, and even though Daunte Culpepper just bumped his pay up, the Vikes could cut him tomorrow and not be liable for the full term of his contract.

MikeD · 08-10-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AlpineJay

I've been hearing that he walked out rather than was asked to leave.

Might be...question is, without Pinkston also, what does this do to Philly?

Season starts in 33 days. Tick...tick...tick...

cheapie · 08-10-2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkFury

The article cited that nowhere else would you find such one sided contracts like these... where the "person performing" was held to such a standard without any guarantees.

except for everyone else in the whole freakin' world!

why in the world should they be guaranteed money regardless of whether or not they perform?

bachviet · 08-10-2005, 06:27 PM

The Eagles will be the second Niners.

to my Niners for getting rid of T.O.

DaFunkyUnit · 08-10-2005, 06:32 PM

well, its because in football, players are WAYY more likely to get injured, thus if you put all your eggs in one player's basket, and that player ends up having a freak accident, you (as a team, franchise, ball club) is screwed. (hello, Cleveland Browns)

LegendKiller · 08-10-2005, 07:31 PM

Yeah, but then there are players who give "their all" and win the team an SB while getting burned out. The team then turns around after a few injuries and breaks the "contract".

They are so back-ended and unfair that i really dont blame him

VTGreg · 08-10-2005, 07:57 PM

The signing bonuses are the guaranteed part of the contract and because of that you have large signing bonuses paid out up front in exchange for the ability to void the contract at any point. If contracts were guaranteed players wouldn't receive nearly as much money up front. Also, the idea that teams renegotiate a contract with a player after one bad season is laughable when speaking about players in the prime of their career, which is exactly what TO is purporting.

TO is in the top 5 in total salary for NFL receivers. Considering the baggage and attitude issues he brings to the table, it is debatable whether or not he is a top 5 receiver in the NFL. His performance puts him in that category, but other players recieve lesser contracts because of injury history, don't you think players also receive lesser contracts if they are considered a problem-child.

Players and agents realize that long term contracts are not actually long term contracts and demand large sums of money up front. You can't take advantage of the how the system is configured and then complain about it.

DarkFury · 08-10-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cheapie

except for everyone else in the whole freakin' world!

why in the world should they be guaranteed money regardless of whether or not they perform?

I think you miss the point...

You sign a contract... usually that means something. However one side has the power to "null and void" it at any time.

Would you like to be in a contract situation like that as the player? Then again.. maybe you are just a glutton for punishment.

cheapie · 08-10-2005, 10:16 PM

good point. i hadn't really thought about it as being a one-sided affair. i was merely thinking about the fact that it's not unfair to cut someone that is sucking/costs too much.

VTGreg · 08-11-2005, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkFury

I think you miss the point...

You sign a contract... usually that means something. However one side has the power to "null and void" it at any time.

Would you like to be in a contract situation like that as the player? Then again.. maybe you are just a glutton for punishment.

But every player and agent knows this and as a result you have the large amounts of up front money in today's football contracts.

DarkFury · 08-11-2005, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by VTGreg

But every player and agent knows this and as a result you have the large amounts of up front money in today's football contracts.

Does that make the contract any more fair?

zenbooty · 08-11-2005, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkFury

If anyone reads ESPN the Magazine....

There is an interesting article in the current issue comparing Terrell Owens to Coach Larry Brown... interestingly enough, for doing virtually the same thing, they don't boo at Larry Brown like they do Terrell.

Sorry, say what you want about Larry Brown, he's never gone in front of the media and thrown his teammates (or players) under the bus the way Owens has.

In the realm of public perception, style and attitude carry a lot of weight. Maybe more than they should, but that's reality. Larry convey's his messages humbly and respectfully. Terrell is a constant self-promoter who badmouths his teammates when he's not happy, and continue to badmouth them after he's gone. That's not going to win you much sympathy.

DarkFury · 08-11-2005, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by zenbooty

Sorry, say what you want about Larry Brown, he's never gone in front of the media and thrown his teammates (or players) under the bus the way Owens has.

In the realm of public perception, style and attitude carry a lot of weight. Maybe more than they should, but that's reality. Larry convey's his messages humbly and respectfully. Terrell is a constant self-promoter who badmouths his teammates when he's not happy, and continue to badmouth them after he's gone. That's not going to win you much sympathy.

Go read the article... I didn't write it. My post above was just a summary of what was said there.

BTW.. that might be one of the differences of a coach versus a player. A professional coach is "management" while the players are "staff".

DarkFury · 05-14-2006, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by zenbooty

Sorry, say what you want about Larry Brown, he's never gone in front of the media and thrown his teammates (or players) under the bus the way Owens has.

In the realm of public perception, style and attitude carry a lot of weight. Maybe more than they should, but that's reality. Larry convey's his messages humbly and respectfully. Terrell is a constant self-promoter who badmouths his teammates when he's not happy, and continue to badmouth them after he's gone. That's not going to win you much sympathy.

Heh... so much for that "throwin' under the bus" thing that you bragged about.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5604160

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According to a report in the New York Daily News, Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan is considering buying out the final four years of Brown's contract, worth at least $40 million.
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Brown was widely expected to be the team's savior after engineering a messy departure from the Detroit Pistons to take the reins of the Knicks. But New York went just 23-59 in 2005-06, finishing last in the Eastern Conference.

Brown feuded openly with point guard Stephon Marbury — a development that perhaps should have been expected, given the two clashed during the 2004 Olympics in Athens. According to sources, Thomas was upset that Brown publicly complained about Marbury and the Knicks' flawed roster.

Guess the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Meanwhile, T.O. is currently staying out of trouble (and keeping his mouth shut) in Dallas.

MikeD · 05-14-2006, 07:10 AM

James Dolan is an idiot.

If you look at Isiah's pedigree (as a GM), and look at Brown's (as a coach)...let's just say this should be an easy, easy decision.

Can't wait to see Isiah spend another summer throwing away $$$ and the Knicks cap room for the next 5 years!

Go Knicks!

redcolours · 05-14-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkFury

....

Meanwhile, T.O. is currently staying out of trouble (and keeping his mouth shut) in Dallas.

give it a year.
thats what he gave the eggles.

DarkFury · 05-14-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by redcolours

give it a year.
thats what he gave the eggles.

I understand.. but my point was... the Knicks didn't even get that long...

08-10-2005, 03:47 PM	#3
AlpineJay Commander Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Medford, MA Posts: 1,011	I've been hearing that he walked out rather than was asked to leave. __________________ If con is the opposite of pro, then what's the opposite of progress?

08-10-2005, 04:19 PM	#4
DarkFury Secretary of the Navy Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Chillin' N Da 'Hood Posts: 34,997	If anyone reads ESPN the Magazine.... There is an interesting article in the current issue comparing Terrell Owens to Coach Larry Brown... interestingly enough, for doing virtually the same thing, they don't boo at Larry Brown like they do Terrell. The article made some good points (which were also mentioned in a previous thread here at G\|A)... professional football player contracts are not guaranteed, so the owners can just cancel then anytime they feel like it. So pretty much, if you feel like you are being "underpaid" as compared to others in your position at your premier level of play, then "not playing" is really your only recourse to get a renegotiation. The article cited that nowhere else would you find such one sided contracts like these... where the "person performing" was held to such a standard without any guarantees. Yet others, like Coach Brown, have guaranteed contracts that will pay him regardless if he coaches or not. Interesting read indeed... __________________ DarkFury's Pimptopia - Don't Hate the Playa, Hate the Game! Home of the Original OG Pimp (accept NO imitations)

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08-10-2005, 06:32 PM	#9
DaFunkyUnit Rear Admiral Upper Half Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: the peanut gallery Posts: 3,909	well, its because in football, players are WAYY more likely to get injured, thus if you put all your eggs in one player's basket, and that player ends up having a freak accident, you (as a team, franchise, ball club) is screwed. (hello, Cleveland Browns) __________________

08-10-2005, 07:57 PM	#11
VTGreg Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,533	The signing bonuses are the guaranteed part of the contract and because of that you have large signing bonuses paid out up front in exchange for the ability to void the contract at any point. If contracts were guaranteed players wouldn't receive nearly as much money up front. Also, the idea that teams renegotiate a contract with a player after one bad season is laughable when speaking about players in the prime of their career, which is exactly what TO is purporting. TO is in the top 5 in total salary for NFL receivers. Considering the baggage and attitude issues he brings to the table, it is debatable whether or not he is a top 5 receiver in the NFL. His performance puts him in that category, but other players recieve lesser contracts because of injury history, don't you think players also receive lesser contracts if they are considered a problem-child. Players and agents realize that long term contracts are not actually long term contracts and demand large sums of money up front. You can't take advantage of the how the system is configured and then complain about it. __________________ It only ends once... Anything that happens before that is just progress. Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear.

08-10-2005, 03:28 PM	#2
raimin Captain Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: san francisco Posts: 1,627	haha, suckers...i knew the niners did good, and the right thing when they lost TO, sure hes one of the best receiver right now, but you have to deal with this attitude.

08-10-2005, 07:31 PM	#10
LegendKiller Vice Admiral Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,927	Yeah, but then there are players who give "their all" and win the team an SB while getting burned out. The team then turns around after a few injuries and breaks the "contract". They are so back-ended and unfair that i really dont blame him

08-10-2005, 10:16 PM	#13
cheapie Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: raising my pimp hand strong Posts: 13,038	good point. i hadn't really thought about it as being a one-sided affair. i was merely thinking about the fact that it's not unfair to cut someone that is sucking/costs too much.

05-14-2006, 07:10 AM	#19
MikeD President, Cowboys Nation Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In the 'burbs, west of D.C. Posts: 5,139	James Dolan is an idiot. If you look at Isiah's pedigree (as a GM), and look at Brown's (as a coach)...let's just say this should be an easy, easy decision. Can't wait to see Isiah spend another summer throwing away $$$ and the Knicks cap room for the next 5 years! Go Knicks!

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