NYC girl scores 113 in HS game

GraingerGuy · 02-06-2006, 09:59 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2315990

Ok....I know that this was just a high school game....but still. 113 points? Crazy.

And Lisa Leslie....101 in a HALF? Geez....

Sirrich3 · 02-06-2006, 10:34 PM

Good and cCongrats to her...

nickel · 02-07-2006, 05:11 AM

she broke Cheryl Miller's record "105 points for Riverside Poly in California against Riverside Norte Vista in 1982."

looks like Rutgers is going to have a super star on their team next season. go Epiphanny!

VTGreg · 02-07-2006, 06:01 AM

This is high school. There are many players that are completely unstoppable in high school. The difference is most of them don't get to take enough shots to score over 100 points. Also, like in college basketball, the women's game is much more top heavy since you don't have the same type of athletes playing.

DarkFury · 02-07-2006, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by VTGreg

Also, like in college basketball, the women's game is much more top heavy since you don't have the same type of athletes playing.

Now that's what we likes...

bachviet · 02-07-2006, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by VTGreg

This is high school. There are many players that are completely unstoppable in high school. The difference is most of them don't get to take enough shots to score over 100 points...

High school or not it's still amazing.

KIISQueen · 02-07-2006, 08:57 AM

CONGRATS

You go girl

Merlin · 02-07-2006, 09:40 AM

The final score of the game was 137-32. The coach of that team should be shot for that type of sportsmanship. Running up that score was just plain dispicable.

attgig · 02-07-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlin

The final score of the game was 137-32. The coach of that team should be shot for that type of sportsmanship. Running up that score was just plain dispicable.

no congrats to the girl at all. the coach taught the girl that it's ok to make the other team feel crappy about themselves.

if they're up 20-30 points, start benching your starters and get other people in the game. if they come back, get that star in the game. just dispicable.

nickel · 02-07-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by attgig

no congrats to the girl at all. the coach taught the girl that it's ok to make the other team feel crappy about themselves.

if they're up 20-30 points, start benching your starters and get other people in the game. if they come back, get that star in the game. just dispicable.

i think we've been down this road before here, but some will say that they wouldn't want the opposing team (player in this case) to feel sorry for them and tone it down.

i used the example of my HS softball coach telling me to purposely strike out to end the inning since we were pulverizing the other team. some people claimed they wouldn't want that kind of mercy if they were playing on the losing team.

i guess this made me think of Kobe's recent 81 point game. at that level it's ok?

DarkFury · 02-07-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nickel

i guess this made me think of Kobe's recent 81 point game. at that level it's ok?

it kinda applies and it kinda doesn't...

Kobe is a pro.. playing against other pros. They get paid to "destroy each other"... however doing so repeatedly leads to "bad blood" and "rivalries of hatred" amongst opposing teams. In the end, that "bad blood" can come back to haunt ya.

However, in a HS game, you are talking about "developmental kids" here... and something like that can be crushing to morale and spirit of those kids. Therefore at a time like that, temperance might be called for just so the kids can "save face".

When I was playing baseball... we had a "10 run rule" that if you were leading by 10 runs after the 4th innning the game would be called. Of course that would never play out in the pros... but in the early developmental stages of sports it works out.

Merlin · 02-07-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nickel

i guess this made me think of Kobe's recent 81 point game. at that level it's ok?

Big difference was that Kobe's game was not the same kind of blowout. In close games you go all out. But in a game like this it is not sportsman like at all.

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Originally Posted by DarkFury

When I was playing baseball... we had a "10 run rule" that if you were leading by 10 runs after the 4th innning the game would be called. Of course that would never play out in the pros...

Not true at all. In MLB if your team is winning by say 5 runs in the 9th inning and you try and steal second base guess what's going to happen....the guy on your team at the plate will get the next pitch in his ear.

Even in pro football if you are winning by a good amount and keep throwing long passes in the 4th qtr instead of just running it there will be trouble.

College ball is different because of that stupid BCS. Most professional teams know the job is to win not to humiliate the other team. Most high school coaches know this.

And DF is right about the bad blood. You humiliate the other team they will hold a grudge and get you back most likely the next time you play.

nickel · 02-07-2006, 01:22 PM

i guess they had their eyes set on her breaking the record. i don't agree with a team running the score up to 137-32 in pursuit of a record, but i wonder if the other team is outraged or giving her props for getting in the books.

DarkFury · 02-07-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlin

Not true at all. In MLB if your team is winning by say 5 runs in the 9th inning and you try and steal second base guess what's going to happen....the guy on your team at the plate will get the next pitch in his ear.

What is "not true" by my statement... I gave you a fact that they would call the game after the "10 run rule"... in the pros, you just have to play it out. I was just giving a statement about how in little league ball, they kept the score from getting way out of hand. This is not "fiction" or "opinion".

Now in the pros.. if that pitcher intentionally head hunts like that, he'll probably get tossed out on his ear by the umpire... if the ump is worth his salt.

Merlin · 02-07-2006, 04:15 PM

Sorry, I misquoted. I meant to get the part about destroying eachother. Yes, they are paid to win but they all know the unwritten rules.

molecularfire · 02-07-2006, 09:23 PM

I've gotta agree with Nickel on this. If I was putting my best on the game I feel the other player owes it to me to give me his/her best. Better decimation than pity.

MikeD · 02-07-2006, 10:12 PM

...even Mike commented on her.

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Epiphanny Prince set a national girls’ record last week in a game that was a rout from the start. Some complained her performance in such a one-sided contest was an example of poor sportsmanship.

“I can’t fault the young lady for scoring 113 points when she goes out each and every minute to play the game hard,” Jordan said. “If you’re going to fault anybody, fault the coach for not taking her out of the game.”

The former Chicago Bulls star was in town to announce the players for his high school showcase, the Jordan All-American Classic, set for April 22 at Madison Square Garden.

Jordan was so impressed by Prince — one of the top prep players in the nation — he’s contemplating adding a girls’ event next year.

“I think that she’s going to innovate this game,” he said. “I think we should give women an opportunity to be recognized.”

Jordan, whose NBA career-high was 69, couldn’t remember a specific time when people got on him about scoring too much. But he knows there were probably many occasions like that.

“I imagine you guys were mad at me a lot in New York,” Jordan joked, in a lobby adjacent to the Garden. “People got mad at me for playing hard every minute I was on the basketball court and it so happened that I scored a lot of points on their team.”

Edited out a portion of the article about Kobe...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11225838/

attgig · 02-07-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by molecularfire

I've gotta agree with Nickel on this. If I was putting my best on the game I feel the other player owes it to me to give me his/her best. Better decimation than pity.

either that or you give your best, you're humiliated. they can sub some girls in who don't get any playing time and also could give you a little 'even' competition. it's one thing to be challenged for you to improve your game. it's another thing to just be outright humiliated.

i was playing a pickup game once. i'm a short asian kid 5'7" - as was most of my team. the other team had 2 huge guys 6'3" 225ish. they could go out and just humiliate my team by always having those 2 post up and score...but instead, they shared the ball and made sure everyone got touches. made for a lot better game. they still whooped us, but it was still a good clean game.

and then on top of that, this is highschool sports. highschool sports isn't about humiliating the other team. i got better sportsmanship in a pickup game. that's what gets me.

anyways, done with this rant. took too many words.

Pemolis · 02-08-2006, 09:43 AM

It maybe despicable but the coach did something right for the girl. She got noticed.

Now she's guaranteed to go to College, probably with a full scholarship, and she'll make something of herself.

She and the Team Humiliated the competition, and because of that, she now has a future.

attgig · 02-08-2006, 10:32 AM

she was already guaranteed. scouts were already all over her. this did NOT make her future. she already had a future in collegiate womens basketball. just because this is the first time the national media heard of her doesn't mean that college scouts haven't already been drooling over her since her sophomore year (if this is the first time college scouts are hearing about her, they need better scouts).

molecularfire · 02-08-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by attgig

either that or you give your best, you're humiliated. they can sub some girls in who don't get any playing time and also could give you a little 'even' competition. it's one thing to be challenged for you to improve your game. it's another thing to just be outright humiliated.

i was playing a pickup game once. i'm a short asian kid 5'7" - as was most of my team. the other team had 2 huge guys 6'3" 225ish. they could go out and just humiliate my team by always having those 2 post up and score...but instead, they shared the ball and made sure everyone got touches. made for a lot better game. they still whooped us, but it was still a good clean game.

and then on top of that, this is highschool sports. highschool sports isn't about humiliating the other team. i got better sportsmanship in a pickup game. that's what gets me.

anyways, done with this rant. took too many words.

For me, the real humiliation is knowing that they consider me so pathetic that they felt the need to take it easy on me... I find that downright insulting. They worked hard to be that good, I don't see why they should have to hide their skills to give me a false sense of achievement. IMO, people play to the level of their competition... if I have to face someone or have faced someone who is much better than me, it gives me an idea of how much better I have to be to play on that level. I would rather have that than a false sense of pride because I didn't know how much I truly suck. JMO.

Merlin · 02-09-2006, 06:06 AM

You know if someone was running up the score like that on me in a blowout I know I pull one of my players aside and thell them to take her out. One good flagarant foul and the whole issue gets resolved.

Yossarian · 02-09-2006, 07:58 AM

being the student athlete myself, i probably woulda taken it upon myself to throw her ass to the ground as well. the coach is at fault, yes, but so is she. shes the one hwo should be a leader and recoqnize the fact that her team is already up, and that she could be giving one of her other teamates valuable playing time.

VTGreg · 02-09-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Yossarian

being the student athlete myself, i probably woulda taken it upon myself to throw her ass to the ground as well. the coach is at fault, yes, but so is she. shes the one hwo should be a leader and recoqnize the fact that her team is already up, and that she could be giving one of her other teamates valuable playing time.

I disagree. I think this falls squarely on the coaches shoulders. I don't expect a high school student to have that sort of mind set, especially if her coach is giving her the green light and encouragement to keep scoring (which is obviously the case or he would have taken her out of the game).

I think she is very fortunate that she didn't get hurt. I don't know how good this high school team is but the coach put their success over the rest of the season at risk by leaving her in the game and leaving her open to retaliation and injury.

molecularfire · 02-09-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Yossarian

being the student athlete myself, i probably woulda taken it upon myself to throw her ass to the ground as well. the coach is at fault, yes, but so is she. shes the one hwo should be a leader and recoqnize the fact that her team is already up, and that she could be giving one of her other teamates valuable playing time.

I find it truly sad that this sounds like a reasonable option for some.

Yossarian · 02-09-2006, 08:15 PM

put yourself in the other teams position, do you really want to have someone go off on you? ****, i felt horrible when we gave up ANY points, let alone one person scoring more than we EVER did. i'm not saying i would run her down, but if she came into my lane, have fun getting your ass off the ground every time

bachviet · 02-09-2006, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Yossarian

put yourself in the other teams position, do you really want to have someone go off on you? ****, i felt horrible when we gave up ANY points, let alone one person scoring more than we EVER did. i'm not saying i would run her down, but if she came into my lane, have fun getting your ass off the ground every time

So you are trying to hurt someone who is playing better than you? That really shows your sportsmanship.

JackHammer · 02-09-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by attgig

no congrats to the girl at all. the coach taught the girl that it's ok to make the other team feel crappy about themselves.

if they're up 20-30 points, start benching your starters and get other people in the game. if they come back, get that star in the game. just dispicable.

I disagree. I don't feel the girl nor the coach should get any flack for what happened. This is a competitive sport. All parties involved understood that before partaking in the event so all agreed that they will play to their utmost ability. I don't beleive neither the coach or the girl did anything to be deemed unsportsmanship-like. If they had yelled 'you suck' or taunted the other team by doing some dance under the basket then yes. However this was not the case. The girl just did extremely well and the coach left her in to do so. I believe nowadays mediocrity is celebreated too much in American society.

attgig · 02-10-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JackHammer

This is a competitive sport.

and there was absolutely no competition in this game. absolutely none.

nickel · 02-10-2006, 05:06 PM

i tried to find an article which could give us some insight into how the opposing team felt about having Epiphanny score 113 points against them and the most i could find was in this article:

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Epiphanny Prince: History Maker
by Richard Kent,
published on Feb 8, 2006

NEW JERSEY---Is it really about her? Did she do anything wrong? She’s just a kid. An athlete in high school who answers to her coach and to a lesser extent to her teammates.

Sure Prince scored 113 points for Coach Ed Grezinsky and in the process broke Cheryl Miller’s 24 year old high school girls’ basketball record in a 137-32 win over Brandeis.

Prince is a 5-9 senior guard who is headed to Rutgers next season. She made 54 out of 60 shots from the field while playing the entire game and had 58 points by halftime.

She now personally has regrets about breaking the record but she never asked her coach to stay in the game for the entire 32 minutes. Her coach kept her in.

Brandeis played very little defense in the second half and she is such a talent that she couldn’t just hold the ball. After all there is a shot clock, the girl has some pride and she is an offensive scoring machine.

It isn’t like Prince doesn’t have her defenders. Her jersey from the game was requested by the Women’s Basketball Hall of Fame. Some people know that she didn’t force her shots at all. The other team didn’t seem overly upset about the scoring outburst and some players actually laughed about it.

What are records anyway. They are either individual or team marks that are made to be broken at some time in the future. When Kobe Bryant recently scored 81 points he knew full well about Wilt Chamberlain’s record of 100 points. Certainly if he got closer to it, that is in the 90s he would have gone for it.

Rutgers Coach Vivien Stringer equivocated about the record. She is a very defensive minded mentor and seemed more confused about why Brandeis didn’t play better defense than Epiphanny scoring all of those points. One thing is for sure. She will never score over 100 at Rutgers. The Rutgers team usually scores in the 50s so that is less than half of her outing against Brandeis.

You’ve heard the expression fifteen minutes of fame. Epiphanny Prince may some day be a first team All American or she could get hurt in her first season of college basketball and never play again. As she said after the game, “In ten years I don’t know if I’ll be in the WNBA or famous but I made history so it will feel good in the long run.” She is right. She has made a name for herself. People won’t forget her no matter what her basketball future holds and while she wasn’t thinking this on the court against Brandeis when she applies for a job in five, ten or fifteen years the name Epiphanny Prince will resonate to the future employer. Is that such a bad thing. Probably not.

http://www.blackathlete.net/artman/p...le_01531.shtml

02-06-2006, 09:59 PM	#1
GraingerGuy Rear Admiral Upper Half Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Working....and working...and working some more Posts: 3,573	NYC girl scores 113 in HS game http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2315990 Ok....I know that this was just a high school game....but still. 113 points? Crazy. And Lisa Leslie....101 in a HALF? Geez.... __________________ potato gun + marshmallow gun = FLAMING MARSHMALLOWS OF DOOM!!!!! -Welfareloser 4/13/05 Time to switch to AMD now I guess... (just kidding... ) -Darkfury 5/23/05 I don't think this'll stop anything though - the better you idiot-proof a system, the more impressive the idiot becomes. -ShawnLee 5/30/08

02-06-2006, 10:34 PM	#2
Sirrich3 Rear Admiral Upper Half Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In Sunny Southern California Posts: 3,950	Good and cCongrats to her... __________________

02-07-2006, 05:11 AM	#3
nickel Vice Chairwoman, Joint Chieftess of Staff Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Jeterville, NYY Posts: 17,786	she broke Cheryl Miller's record "105 points for Riverside Poly in California against Riverside Norte Vista in 1982." looks like Rutgers is going to have a super star on their team next season. go Epiphanny! __________________ click me

02-07-2006, 06:01 AM	#4
VTGreg Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,533	This is high school. There are many players that are completely unstoppable in high school. The difference is most of them don't get to take enough shots to score over 100 points. Also, like in college basketball, the women's game is much more top heavy since you don't have the same type of athletes playing. __________________ It only ends once... Anything that happens before that is just progress. Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear.

02-07-2006, 09:40 AM	#8
Merlin Admiral Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Square On My Arse Posts: 7,410	The final score of the game was 137-32. The coach of that team should be shot for that type of sportsmanship. Running up that score was just plain dispicable. __________________

02-07-2006, 08:57 AM	#7
KIISQueen Rear Admiral Upper Half Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,985	CONGRATS You go girl

02-07-2006, 01:22 PM	#13
nickel Vice Chairwoman, Joint Chieftess of Staff Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Jeterville, NYY Posts: 17,786	i guess they had their eyes set on her breaking the record. i don't agree with a team running the score up to 137-32 in pursuit of a record, but i wonder if the other team is outraged or giving her props for getting in the books.

02-07-2006, 04:15 PM	#15
Merlin Admiral Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Square On My Arse Posts: 7,410	Sorry, I misquoted. I meant to get the part about destroying eachother. Yes, they are paid to win but they all know the unwritten rules.

02-07-2006, 09:23 PM	#16
molecularfire Admiral Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Walking through a lemon grove looking for one good orange Posts: 6,134	I've gotta agree with Nickel on this. If I was putting my best on the game I feel the other player owes it to me to give me his/her best. Better decimation than pity. __________________ Disclaimer - The above opinion should not be taken as medical advise. My only advise is to talk to your doctor. If you are stupid enough to take anything I say seriously, you have nobody to blame for your cranio-anal inversion but your stupid self. I may not be smart enough to do everything but I am dumb enough to try anything. - Beastboy.

02-08-2006, 09:43 AM	#19
Pemolis Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 350	It maybe despicable but the coach did something right for the girl. She got noticed. Now she's guaranteed to go to College, probably with a full scholarship, and she'll make something of herself. She and the Team Humiliated the competition, and because of that, she now has a future.

02-08-2006, 10:32 AM	#20
attgig Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: the burbs of baltimore Posts: 11,924	she was already guaranteed. scouts were already all over her. this did NOT make her future. she already had a future in collegiate womens basketball. just because this is the first time the national media heard of her doesn't mean that college scouts haven't already been drooling over her since her sophomore year (if this is the first time college scouts are hearing about her, they need better scouts).

02-09-2006, 06:06 AM	#22
Merlin Admiral Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Square On My Arse Posts: 7,410	You know if someone was running up the score like that on me in a blowout I know I pull one of my players aside and thell them to take her out. One good flagarant foul and the whole issue gets resolved.

02-09-2006, 07:58 AM	#23
Yossarian Chief of Navel Inspections Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 12,187	being the student athlete myself, i probably woulda taken it upon myself to throw her ass to the ground as well. the coach is at fault, yes, but so is she. shes the one hwo should be a leader and recoqnize the fact that her team is already up, and that she could be giving one of her other teamates valuable playing time. __________________ "So cheers all and remember, don't mistake my old age for maturity. Just because I grow old does not mean I grow up. " -Merlin "Now that your limelight has been sufficently trashed I will leave"- Nija Each religion has got their own way of making you feel like a victim. The Christians say 'you are a sinner', and you better just zip up your trousers and give the money to the pope and we'll give you a room up in the hotel in the sky. ~Timothy Leary

02-09-2006, 08:15 PM	#26
Yossarian Chief of Navel Inspections Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 12,187	put yourself in the other teams position, do you really want to have someone go off on you? ****, i felt horrible when we gave up ANY points, let alone one person scoring more than we EVER did. i'm not saying i would run her down, but if she came into my lane, have fun getting your ass off the ground every time

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