WalaWala

Ok so, this is the big question...Do i buy the xbox 360 now, or do i wait for the ps3??? 360 owners...go any suggestions???

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Bires

If I had a nickel for every time some kid asked me this...

If you want a new system NOW, buy the 360. If you are happy with your current system, wait for the PS3, as the 360 doesn't have any really original games yet, even Oblivion doesn't come out till the spring.

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gear02

As a person who actually owns a 360, I echo Bires.

There is no right answer. Just pick the one you like best. I plan on getting both, but that's just the stupid me.

WalaWala

i have the ps2 and the xbox right now...i like the xbox waaay better, but im not sure if i will like the 360 more than the ps3... i dont need it right now, so i can wait for the ps3, but will it be worth the wait...

gear02

I think you're stressing on this too much. Either buy it or not. It's not that big of a deal.

The one thing you should be concerned is the lack of titles for the 360 other than the launch titles. So far the only other games coming out for it are DOA4 and Top Spin 2, and that's puts us out until jan 23th.

mcs328

The 360 is not doing so hot overseas I hear. I don't spend a lot of time playing console games but more on my cellphone. I'm thinking of getting the GBA micro just because it's so portable.

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Ps3

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Ps3.

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zero2dash

By the time the Ps3 is released, the X360 will have 1yr behind its belt...and developers will start to get better with making games geared for the hardware (ie high framerates, high polygon counts, Live integration etc).

Ps3 is going to cost an arm and a leg. $400 minimum. ($500 is possible.) If that's not a concern - well then loan me some money so I can purchase an X360.

X360 will have the best online play. Sony is choosing to not have centralized servers and a user setup (again, just like they did with the Ps2). Xbox Live is one of the greatest innovations in not only console gaming, but also online gaming...meanwhile Sony doesn't really care enough to regulate servers or make a centralized system.

Both systems have similar power - but in the end I guarantee you that you'll see a lot more done with the X360 than you will with the Ps3. Why? One word: Cell. The Ps3 Cell processor is going to give a lot of developers a lot of headaches and they're going to give up on making specialized Cell-enabled games...meanwhile XNA (the X360 development platform) is said to be very user-friendly and Microsoft caters open-handedly to developers...X360 will have better 3rd party support.

Ps3 will sell based on the brand name/monikor. Unfortunately for the sheep...it won't be deserving. Ps2 outsold the Xbox...obviously Sony had a huge jump start. But Xbox offered Live which is something the Ps2 can't compete with (in addition to better graphics, but Ps2 launched a year before the Xbox so that's to be expected).

Out of the two - you'll have better gameplay out of the X360. All Sony cares about anymore is "gadgetry" and how many things their system can do. If you get a stiffy from the word "Blu-Ray", then I'm sure you'll buy a Ps3. Me - I could care less. At this point I'm tired of the cockiness that Sony has and I'm sick of their hardware falling apart and I refuse to buy another one of their consoles. I'm buying a Nintendo Revolution the day it is launched (or rather, the night before) which is my main priority...but I also plan on buying an X360.

I'd recommend an X360 myself. Especially since all Sony's done is show smoke-and-mirror "game footage", which is nothing more than the usual CG crap they try and pawn off as "actual realtime in game footage".

ray

If and when Halo 3 comes out, expect to see a surge in XBox 360 sales. In the meantime, I think most gamers will stick with their current systems and perhaps go after the PS3 if Sony releases new games that are attractive.

A console is only good if the content that goes with it is good. From what I have been reading, there doesn't seem to be much that differentiates the XBox 360 from the regular XBox in terms of gaming content.

Agent Plissken

zerodash, you are in a dream world
almost everything you said was a personal opinion!
the fact remains that both the CPU and the GPU are extremely (leaps and bounds) more advanced on the PS3 (you cant argue with that because its fact!)
And im not some Sony fanboy either, I like the xbox better than the ps2 because of its superior hardware. (except for the DVD playback which is better on ps2)
As to your point that the microsoft platform will be easier to develop for, that was the same case with the xbox vs ps2's mysterious "emotion processor". Yet the ps2 still did alright (and the last time around the xbox had better hardware, this time around the PS3 will have the better hardware.)
So dont count your 360 chickens before they hatch!

gear02

One of the things about the video game industry which I'm fascinated with is how personal people take their console choice. Is one better than the other? No. It's just about the games that are on the thing.

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IrishSS

Fanbois... if people took other things in life as seriously as they do defending their system of choice this world would be a much better place...

Either way, I think online play is a gimmick. All of the sports games I have ever played online have been to laggy to compete properly. Playing MLB 2004 was a joke... the pitching/batting combo wasn't even close to being fun with teh lag created from online play. SSX was the same way...

I play consoles for good console only games and the occasional play with a friend... locally. Not online. If I want serious multiplayer, I turn to the PC.

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Grubbie

You're just mad that your ps3 is still vaporware...

Agent Plissken

Speaking of vaporware whatever happend to the PHANTOM?

zero2dash

Almost everything I said was based on reports from developers who have worked with devkits on both systems.


And you're choosing to ignore the fact that with more advanced hardware comes more difficulty in development on that hardware. Do we need to bring up the Saturn? Perfect example of a system with nonstandard hardware that was hard to develop for - which is one of the primary reasons that the system wasn't successful. Companies didn't know how to take advantage of both processors. (In case you didn't know, the Saturn had 2 Hitachi SH4 processors - one for dedicated 2d and one for dedicated 3d.) And both of the new MS/Sony systems are multiprocessor (X360 with 6, Ps3 with 7). You're also blatantly ignoring the fact that a lot of video game developers don't have huge #s of employees to spend time working on a hard platform, in addition to not having the extra money it will take to pay their workers to work overtime to make games. This higher development cost is the primary reason why next gen games have an MSRP of $60 ($10 more than the old gen games).

If you want to be a hardware geek, then by all means - be one. The fact remains that most families don't have the means to fully take advantage of either system's capabilities. What do I mean? How many households DON'T own HDTVs, eh? Millions. How many households DON'T have broadband? Millions. It doesn't matter how pretty the games are on an optimal setup...the problem is, they're not catering to the lowest common denominator (which just happens to be the most popular)...most homes use composite connections on their RCA tvs, so go ahead and throw all your HDTV support out the window.

Both systems will have similar power. There's been numerous game sites that have covered the cpu/gpu properties of all the up and coming systems, and even some geek sites like Ars Technica. The bottom line end result is that both the X360 and the Ps3 will have similar specs in regards of polygon counts and raw performance.

As for the current systems and your mention of "the Emotion Engine", how long have you been playing games and how long have you followed the industry? Because if you want to talk about capabilities and what the system SHOULD do, you'd know better than to mention the words "Emotion Engine" because all that does is bring back all the BS that Sony unveiled at the E3 back in 96 or 97 when they showed the Final Fantasy VIII CG and said it was running "realtime" on the Ps2 hardware, which turned out to be a bunch of crap. Now, before I let you off the hook on the "Emotion Engine", why not ALSO throw in the fact that Sony showed a bunch of BS at THIS years E3 (including the Killzone "oh it's 100% REAL TIME" trailer) which was ALSO proven to be BS from the mouths of the developers themselves, when they said "no, that's not real time". If you're basing your opinion off of what Sony's told you - then I recommend you do some research on all the BS they've said before and realize that you're going to be let down.


The Ps2 did alright because it a) already had an installed user base by the time the Xbox launched, compared to Microsoft who was trying to convince potential shoppers that their system was good too, and b) also had the brand name more favored by those same shoppers. "What am I going to buy? A Playstation brand name with Sony below it, or something called an Xbox by a computer company named Microsoft? Hmm...decisions."

In terms of curren gen development - Sony was lucky because the Ps2 EE wasn't as hard to develop for as they initially thought...but the fact remains that developers have said (the Xbox having more power notwithstanding) that the Xbox was easier to develop for than the Ps2 since the Xbox is running a customized variant of Windows 2000 with (primarily) PC parts. The next gen - everything's been thrown out the window and custom hardware is rampant. BUT - developers have long touted XNA as a very easy platform to develop on and get a lot of power/performance out of, with minimal difficulty and time. Meanwhile Sony has their own development platform, and (developers say) that Sony isn't very helpful to the 3rd party developers when they have problems or questions. So - Sony is basically biting the hand that feeds them...which is utterly retarded.


I'll continue going off of the word from the chicken's mouth, thanks. (ie developers)

Bires

So, you've given this a lot of thought then.

Agent Plissken

My holiday vacation starts after next week, maybe I can find time to read your essay then.

SnowSurfer

just to add my two cents, I am probably going to get a revolution becuase the controller concept seems really unique, and the damn thing is only going to be 199ish. Poor college students unite.

I actually read a report last week that sony was going to have centralized servers for ps3 so I guess all of that is up in the air until the damn thing actually comes out. At the moment microsoft dropped the ball with the xbox, with the "world wide launch". How can you call something a worldwide launch when there is not enough supply to satisfy the demand (in the USA and europe, the 360 is selling like piles of crap in Japan). Yes i did try to buy a 360, so i could sell it for a huge profit on ebay. Oh well whatever, they are sold out everywhere, I guess that is what microsoft wanted.


Personnally I would have had more supply to saturate the market instead of a limited supply for each continent. But that is just me

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zero2dash

I want a Revolution based solely on the fact that it will have awesome games...Nintendo never lets me down.

I'm done with graphics. Graphics are overrated IMHO...sure, you have to have a basic common ground in relation to graphics nowadays, but companies are deciding to throw in a lot of visual eye candy nowadays in the hopes that the "purdy graphics" will mask the basic/boring gameplay.

IrishSS

Sorry, but the 360 doesnt cut it graphics wise either in my opinion. I played COD2 at Toys R Us a couple of nights ago... (on an HD set, yes..). Sure, it was nice looking, but it didnt look nearly as good as it does on a mid-range PC and the controls for a FPS were horrible.

As for the Revolution... I'll get one because I've heard you will be able to download old school NES games and play em. I'm not digging the controller, but alas, take what you can get.

Bires

It's cheaper to get a GBA and a flash cart to play NES games.

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Grubbie

What do you expect, it the same game as the PC version. Also the first gen games for a system won't use the full power of the system. Just wait till the games start coming out next year, they will be looking better and better and better.

If you feel this way about the 360 right now, you will feel the same about the ps3 when it comes out. Only thing is when it does, the graphics on the 360 will be better since devs will have been working on it longer then they have for the ps3.

Airencracken

Revolution! All the way!

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gear02

I think the last 12 posts have proven my point.

And no, even though I own a 360, I'm not a fanboy. I'm planning to get all 3 systems.

zero2dash

I'll own 2 (Revolution + X360) and the two reasons I'm buying an X360 over a Ps3 is 1) Xbox Live and 2) I'm tired of Sony finishing in 1st place with shoddy hardware and I'm also tired of their cockiness like they're unstoppable.

Ps3 will have some decent games...I'm not saying it won't.

The fact is - all of the systems will have a few generations (years) of games to go through before we start seeing the true potential power of each of the consoles...it's happened with every video game system and will continue to happen with every system.

Grubbie's right though.

Also factor in that the Ps3 has a custom processor that no one's ever developed for before. ...add another year or two (at least) before developers [have any clue as to how to] start using all 7 processing engines in their games.

gear02

FYI the Xbox 360 is also a custom processor too.

brainsmile

I'm waiting for PS10.

In other words I don't game

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