zippyjuan

This thing would weigh about 11 pounds (2.2 lbs/kg x 5kg). Nice for working out with as you carry it around. Sounds more like a desktop.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/...816105520.html

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DarkFury

The term is... "desktop replacement"

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beatbox32

Yeesh, no kidding. I'm sure in a couple years though, they'll be able to squeeze a quad-core into something a bit more portable.

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DarkFury

How much more portable do you need?

Even though it weighs 11 pounds, it's still alot more portable than a full desktop.

My own laptop (a Dell E1705) weighs in at 9 pounds and is faster than my current fastest computer (at least for the rest of this week until my quad core Q6600 CPU comes in and I rebuild my main desktop). It can do just about everything my desktop can do, however I still do like working on the desktop (mostly because I prefer the full sized keyboard to the notebook keyboard).

My only thing with these "super laptops" is... HEAT is a mofo. They really don't have the space inside them necessary to ventilate and wick off the vast amount of heat these newer processors generate. Honestly, that is probably a major factor in what is holding them back from going even faster these days.

Jeffbx

Plus this thing will get, oh, about 45 minutes on a full battery charge!

DarkFury

Nah...

Actually, I get almost 3 hours on a charge with my 2.16 GHz Core 2 Duo processor in my laptop (actually it's closer to 2 hours 35 mins).


BTW... getting the "extended life" battery is the key. (I bought the 9 cell battery instead of the standard 6 cell.)

johnnymk

I don't know how true this is, but the latest Computer Shopper magazine article states that there is only one program which can take advantage of a quad core processor. I don't remember the name of the program.

zippyjuan

Maybe an hour.
I think the intent was to try to shove as much stuff as they could into a laptop just to show they can do it.

DarkFury

That is not the point of a quad core processor...

you buy a quad core so that "basic" functions can run unobtrusively on their own core while your main program has free reign to operate without interruption on a different core(s).

Quad core is a multi-tasker's dream. Nuttin' like Burning a DVD, using Photoshop, reading e-mail, playing a MMOG while watching a video on YouTube at the same time.

johnnymk

So you are capable of playing a game, using Photoshop, reading email and watching a video at the same time?

I really doubt that many people are burning DVDs and/or CDs very much of the time, either.

I still think that a quad core processor is pure fluff that only a small percentage of the consumers will ever fully utilize.

But of course, if the price comes down in the next few years, I am not complaining.

DarkFury

We'll find out if I am capable of doing all of that in about a week and a half (My CPU should get here tomorrow... plus a few other parts next week.)

And yes, I do multi-task quite frequently.... maybe not exactly like what I said above, but quite similar. For the most part, I really hate it when I'm playing a game and my Anti-Virus program decides "Hey.. it's time for another scan of the system" and kicks off a scan behind the scenes of my game and slows everything down.

Also, you gotta figure that as more and more multi-core processors hit the market... and more people get their hands on them then developers will make applications to utilize the extra power. We can't all just sit back and say... "Well 64K of memory is all we'll ever need."


Just like many can say... well I don't need a V8 engine since a 4 banger gets me there just fine. Yet, people will still buy a V8 because it can get them there faster I suppose.

Thesifer

The "Point" of a Desktop Replacement, is that you can literally get rid of the desktop. And still have a portable computer. You should have a Video Out port for your monitor, and also a Keyboard and mouse out. Once you hook those up and place the Laptop near wherever your other computer was, and set it to run while closed..

It then becomes no different then your desktop, except it's much easier to pick up and take with you when you leave.

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DarkFury

I wasn't asking a question... I was making a statement towards BeatBox32s post above mine.

But in regards to the laptop actually replacing my desktop... NEVER!!! (At least not until they make a laptop that you can upgrade and modify yourself instead of just using it like a common household appliance. )

I'll build a faster desktop, before I give in to a "desktop replacement" laptop (yet I still have a lappy on the side... ya dig??? )

redcolours

so you pulled the trigger on a quad core2 also, eh? i just went to town and ordered this morning.

after weeks and weeks of watching the prices of the Q6600 and DDR memory fluctuate worse than Dow Jones, it fell enough yesterday to signal the purchase.

its a bitch! a WHOLE new change. mobo, CPU, VGA card, and memory all had to be replaced. Even got a new tower. tho its been almost 4 years since i got a whole new system built. way too long for a used-to-be rabid overclocker and avid upgrader.

then i went back to sleep.

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DarkFury

Yup... I started pulling the trigger about a month ago, and now my CPU has finally come in (it was delivered on Saturday by FedEx.)

Man... what a DIFFERENCE!!! This new Quad makes my old P4 3.4Ghz just looo stupid!!! WOOT!!!

I definitely noticed a dfference in basic apps. The Quad was running Ghost backups in under 15 mins (whereas my previous 3.4 would take at least 25 to 35 mins.) My gaming response is good as well. I was playing CoH last night and it was smooth as silk (previously it was kinda "herky-jerky" before. (My new vid card probably helped with that as well.

I basically took EVERYTHING out of my case and put it in a new case (I guess DFJ gets an early Christmas present this year huh? ). He's previous PC was slow as hell, so I guess he gets the side benefits of "Da Quad".

So here are my new specs of my PC:

CPU: Intel Q6600 G0 Stepping
Mobo: Asus P5K Deluxe AP Wifi
Memory: 2GB DDR2 Corsair Dominator PC8500
Vid Card: XFX 8800 GTS XXX 640MB
Hard Drive: Western Digital 74GB Raptor
Sound Card: Creative Audigy 2 GS
PSU: PC Power & Cooling 750W Silencer

johnnymk

Sounds very impressive. Do you ever burn movies? If you do, would you let us know how long it takes to encode a typical movie?

DarkFury

Well, I won't really have much of a zero point on that one...

My new Plextor 18X DVD burner should be here on Tuesday. Replacing my old 8X NEC burner which is going into DFJ's PC.

But then again, since the encoding with DVD Shrink doesn't require the burner, I can try to do a comparision with my old rig to the new one for ya.

redcolours

sweet rig!
is that just a gig of ram, or more?
are you using stock HSF on the CPU?
and did you try overclocking yet?

i just got shipping confirmation today from the 4 stores i ordered from. hopefully all will come in by the weekend - I should have something to tinker with then...

DarkFury

Corrected... (2 GB of RAM)

I'm using a Zalman CNPS9700 cooler...



I haven't gotten around to OC'ing yet... Just trying to get all my programs back onto it and get it properly Ghosted (just in case the worst happens... which usually does. )

So far, even at stock, it blows my old P4 3.4GHz away. I'm thorougly impressed by this CPU.

zippyjuan

Starting to think about a new one myself, but might wait a bit more to see what happens with the new AMD out in a month. I see the quad is $289 at newegg and the memory about $179 with rebate. Did you use the same hard drive or put in a new one? Same OS (XP)? With all the old drivers it is probably better to do a complete new install. Just trying to figure out how much work it will be if I actually do it.

Hoser

Is the Plextor SATA?

DarkFury

OMFG....

I just started overclocking my rig...

Without any modification to the bumping up the power (1.4 volts), I hit 3.2 GHz...

I just bumped the voltage up to 1.45 and now I'm hitting 3.6Ghz on AIR!!!!



I just know that this chip can go even faster, but I'm just not that brave. (I was reading on another forum that someone got theirs up to 3.8 Stable and 4.0Ghz not so stable on air.)

This chip is simply AMAZING!!!! Going from 2.4GHz to 3.6GHz is definitely worth the overclock.


Yes, the Plextor is SATA. My mobo (Asus P5K Deluxe Wifi AP) has 6 internal SATA ports and only one IDE port. More or less, you don't even wanna mess with IDE on this bad boy (not to mention that they only give you one usable PCI card since the other one is covered up by the 2 slots taken up by the video card.)

Oh well... I guess that's the cost of progress huh?

johnnymk

Possibility you could run some standard benchmarks on your old and new systems?

redcolours

[borat] I LIKE![/borat]

50% overclock STABLE is a winner to me. kinda like the 300MHz celeron, and the 1.6GHz P4 Northwood chips.

something for me to look forward to. sadly the build wont start this weekend. i have to wait for monday for the chip, mobo, and VGA cards. thats what i get for choosing ground shipping. Though i did get my RAM in today - fry's/outpost's shipping is impressive!

great job, mang!

DarkFury

BTW.. just to let you know. Motherboard selection is VERY important in overclocking these chips.

I've read that some of the nVidia chipsets (680i) have not been able to handle the higher FSB required to get the 50% overclock on these chips. It's not the chip's fault in that case... it's the mobo limitation.

Therefore as always... YMMV.

Also cooling is essential as well... as I am NOT using the stock Intel cooler to reach these speeds (still... being on air cooling it is still amazing to me. )

ShawnLee

Oh my... Reading this thread makes me:
1) Uber-jealous of DF right now.
2) Feel like I did back in the day of OCing like crazy. Ah, those years ago when the Celeron 300A was a poor student's dream CPU.

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redcolours

me, waiting on an Asus P5KC. i opted to futureproof the mobo a little - its got 2 extra DIMM slots for DDR3 (aside from the 4 that take in DDR2).
i read about intel dropping the next-gen chipset (P38) this fall. im like WTF? i just got this! but when i read the specs, it was no biggie (for me). main difference is that P38 chipsets run SLIs in x16, instead of just x8 with the current chipsets. I dont game anymore, and neither will i do SLI, so its not even gonna get used.



ehh, me, ill see what i can squeeze out of the stock HSF for now. G0 steppings are made to run at cooler, so it should still OC well on stock. until theres a need to bump up the voltage, ill look into more exotic coolers later. if anything its more about the fan noise that will make me go out and buy a different cooler.

though i must say your cooler looks very, well, cool (no pun intended).

zippyjuan

I think SLI is WAY over rated. Not a gamer anymore anyways, but the performance from two video cards is not usually better cost wise than getting one top notch video card and two top notch cards is rediculous- unless you have money to burn. I am more skeptical about "upgrade-ability" of a system. If you build (or buy) a decent system, by the time you are ready to upgrade, you need to replace several parts at once. In my case, new processor (it would be stupid and a waste to pop in an Athlon XP 3200 at this time) and motherboard and probably new video card.

johnnymk

Users love the the ASUS P5K mobo, but there appears to be some quality contol problems at the present time.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...T=Motherboards

DarkFury

Yeah.. I can testify to that.

For some stupid reason, it is being shipped with the initial release BIOS 202 which is not compatible with the Quad Core Q6600. You have to flash it up to the 404 BIOS immediately to get it working right.

On top of that, I'm still having what appears to be a grounding/voltage issue. Sometimes my PC doesn't seem like it wants to turn itself on from a cold start. Actually, I'm working on it as we speak trying to troubleshoot the problem. (I was one hair away from RMAing the board however reading some posts on the web about the problem got me realizing that quite possibly, this is "normal" for this board.

Yet and still, the Asus P5K is still the "monster Overclocker on the block" for Intel chips. Too bad it seems that quality control is slipping on the BIOS release side of things. I may have to send a letter into Maximum PC's "Watchdog" column about this.

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EDIT: FIXED!!!! WOOT. Turns out I had one extra standoff on my mobo tray. (Stupid previous motherboard required 11 standoffs, and this one only uses 9.) I thought I had taken the extra ones out, but I guess I missed that one.

Now she boots up just fine.... WOOT!!! /me so happy I don't have to go through the RMA process now.