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05-06-2001, 08:44 PM
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Ensign
Join Date: Mar 2001
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I'm in process of building an AMD based system using the 1.33Ghz 266 FSB Thunderbird and an Asus A7A266 mobo., using 256 of DDR. I have heard that the case is the foundation of a solid computer. I opted to buy the Antec 1030sxB case, based on the good review / price factor. The case comes with 2 80mm fans mounted in the back that are blowing air into the case. There are 2 modules in the front of the case (fans not included) that will support another 2 80mm fans. One of the empty fan modules is located in a (1 of 2) 3.5" drive bay, the other is in the base. My question is; should I reverse the airflow direction of the 2 rear factory mounted fans to exhaust air, and install the 2 front (optional) fans to intake air? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Antec's site is http://www.antec-inc.com for a full inside picture of the case. In PDF format. OOPS! Forgot to ask another important question. I will be using the system for gaming and working (those 6&7 day weeks...Bah) from home. I run a dual boot. Win. ME and Win 2k. I game with ME and work with 2K. I'm building this system on somewhat of a budget. I know that Win.2k will utilize every bit of ram you throw at it. I have heard that Win.9x will only use 128 mb of ram, anymore is not utilized. Is this true? On the Asus A7a266 mobo you have the option of using EITHER PCxxx or DDR ram. I only plan to use DDR and I only have 2 "banks" to work with. I figure I will start with 1 256 dimm and maybe upgrade to a second 256 of 512 dimm later.
Thanks for any advice / help! P.S. I don't plan to O/C the chip for the next year or so. 1333Mhz should work well for now. |
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05-06-2001, 10:13 PM
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Ensign
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Westminster, CA
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Personally, I hate all that fan noise. I would use the included fans and check the temp under load. If it runs hot, get the fans, otherwise save a few bucks and your eardrums. Actually, if I can get away with it, I avoid case fans altogether. I am running a PIII 500 at 560 and my temp with stock cpu fan and heatsink has never set off my alarm which is set at 42 deg celsius. I am building a new system in a couple of weeks to replace my loyal K6-200 (the PIII is for entertainment: all-in-wonder, 29-in princeton monitor, SB Live, with 5.1 speakers). I am considering the koolance http://www.koolance.com/ since I plan to go with a t-bird which is a pretty hot chip, but i hate the noise. -- rc |
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05-06-2001, 11:11 PM
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Admiral
  Join Date: May 2000
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my $.02...
Seal your case up like a drum, so no air leaks in our out and you can control exactly what air moves where. E-tape works fairly well and sticks to metal. Then, toss your factory fans and buy panaflo fans (they are very quiet-you won't believe these things). When you are buying your fans, know the fan's CFM and calculate input and output CFM (cubic feet per minute) so they are very close. Put your output fans near the top of your case (like your PS) and venting any hotspots (near your cpu/AGP slot.)
Oh-one last thing. A 120mm fan is better than two 80mm fans for the same airflow, in terms of noise and current draw. Oh yeah...make sure you have enough power in your PS to run all your gadgets at full bore (drives, your mainboard (including your USB and AGP), fans, and any extras you may be running).
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05-07-2001, 12:10 AM
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Ensign
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Westminster, CA
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Re: my $.02...
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Thanks for the info on the "quiet" fans. Maybe I won't have to spend $200 for the liquid cooled case after all. Although, it still sounds very cool -- No PS fan, or CPU fan, no case fans, just three small fans to cool the liquid. -- rc |
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05-07-2001, 02:56 PM
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Ensign
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No, this is not true. Windows 98 can utilize more than 128 mb of RAM, so feel free to get the 256 MB module.
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05-07-2001, 08:37 PM
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Ensign
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Bakersfield, Ca.
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Great advice.
Thank you all for the advice. I greatly appreciate it!
Does anyone have any links regarding the "128+ megs of ram in Win. 9x" I'm very confused on this issue. I have heard quite a few times now that Win.9x(Win. ME included)will not utilize any more than 128 megs. of ram. On the flip side, I have also heard the exact opposite! Hehe...I'm sooo confused. |
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05-07-2001, 08:52 PM
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Lieutenant
 Join Date: Apr 2001
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i don't mind noise
give me the wbk38  too bad i am running a golden orb  not the best thing in the world
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05-11-2001, 12:24 PM
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Ensign
Join Date: May 2001
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It's true that too many fans can be noisy. I run just enough in my system to keep the heat down. I also run the amazingly noisy Delta 7K fan on my HSF, but I bear with it because it keeps my cpu soooo cool. In regards to win9X I think what you might have heard is about the huge footprint win9X OS's take up? Well, either way I know for a fact that win9X can utilize more than 128mb of ram. I used to run a server, at home, that I dual booted, win98 B and win nt server. I had over 1 gigs of ram in it and I know that all or most of it was utilized. So unless I've totally missed out on some important news I think that is some wrong info. If you want the answer e-mail the tech guys at microsoft and they should answer your question without further headaches.
Ranger Abit KT7A-RAID Mobo (RAID setup to RAID 0) Maxtor 20GB ATA-100 7200RPM Westren Digital 20GB ATA-100 7200RPM ATI Radeon 32MB DDR Linksys NIC Aztech 56K SBLive Value 5.1 INWIN Q500 Full Tower (300W PSU) 4 case fans (1 intake, 2 exhaust, and 1 blowing onto the cpu) 1 PCI slot exhaust fan Thermaltake Volcano II HSF (w/ the Delta 7K rpm fan) AMD Athlon AVIA TB 1Ghz (200FSB) unlocked using the pencil trick over clocked to 1.2 Ghz (133X9) Micron 512MB SDRAM (2 sticks) PC133 set at CAS 3 (the vendor told me it was CAS2 but won’t run on CAS2) 16X Pioneer DVD 12X4X32X Sony CD-RW
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05-11-2001, 11:51 PM
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Lieutenant
Join Date: Apr 2001
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how well does that thermal take work?
have you used any other HSF's does anyone know any way to attach a 7000rpm fan onto a golden orb? heheh it thought it'd be funny to have that huge fan on my little golden orb |
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05-12-2001, 12:15 AM
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Ensign
Join Date: May 2001
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Well, the Thermaltake works fine for me and it only cost me $8 for it. Then I bought the Delta for $9 and now it cools just as good as the the Thermoengie I've got with another Delta on it. Since 8 + 9 = $17 and it cost me $38 for my Thermoengine it was a good deal don't you think? As for installing a Delta on an Orb, man that would be a site to see. It is possible but you would have to take the Delta out of the casing and just instal the motor, if it fits, into the Orb. Good luck trying it and if it works post a pic for the rest of us.
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05-12-2001, 12:21 AM
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Admiral
Join Date: May 2000
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The RAM issue...
...you've been misinformed. Older PII Motherboards could only cache up to 128M of memory. Since windows loads most of its OS kernal at the end of the system memory to reduce fragmentation, your OS won't be cached. Newer mobos dont use the same TAG memory addressing, so the 128M issue no long applis.
Triva: how much memory could older pentium systems handle w/o upgrading their TAG RAM?............................... |
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