Leon

Thanks for reading the review. Please post any questions or comments in this thread.


http://www.gotapex.com/reviews.php?r...way/index.html

Below Ambient

I really thought the homework on this review was rather poor...

first of all the KD7-RAID does not have C.O.P. the KD7-S,G,B are the only ones that have it.

secondly I think expecting your 1600XP to unlock was funny... Only the Thoroughbreds come unlocked, and as seen in your review you failed to find any kind of overclocking bliss simply by not even acheiving a 166 FSB.... If your 1600 really was a AGOIA core that should have been easy to acheive...even with a locked multiplier

as of now im even wondering if you bothered to even run a R9700 or maybe you just copied the benchmarks from another site and claimed that 8X AGP is poor....

sbp

And this coming from one of the notorious OCZ scumbag operation.

Below Ambient

what the hell are you talking about...

sbp

Denying you were part of that rotten operation Matt aka GLADIATTACKER aka matrickage?

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&highlight=ocz

More where that came from.

LegendKiller

Ok, as for the features, I got it directly from Abit's site.
http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/kd7raid/

To answer your second question. I do not "expect" my CPU to come unlocked. I have attempted to unlock it several times, using different methods. None of these have worked for me. Furthermore, while the processor is an AGOIA core, I CANNOT get it stable at anything above the listed FSB's. Changing voltages, CAS latencies, RAS-CAS delays, other memory tweaks and such does NOTHING. For some reason people seem to think there is some kind of "special skill" to overclocking. Its really not THAT hard. However, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Not EVERY AGOIA hits those kinds of speeds.

Lastly, I DID run the R9700pro, every benchmark there is directly from my system. I never said the 8X AGP was poor, I said that there were problems with OpenGL (OGL) and AGP8X, which is WELL documented. Personally, I had problems with Quake3 every once in a while. However, it ran pretty well most of the time. The card benchmarked quite a bit lower than my P4, but thats only because of CPU horsepower. I am going to get a different chip soon to remedy this.

In summary, people are never going to be happy with what all reviewers do. I spent quite a bit of time trying to get these boards to run at the max they could. Trying different settings in the bios and installing drivers and such isn't a wham bam thing, it takes DAYS to do this sometimes. I am sorry if I didn't hit what you think I should hit, but perhaps you should look at other reasons.


LK

Below Ambient

looking at Abits site or the link you gave me doesn't mention anything about C.O.P. for that particular board... i can also say that if you had problems with your 1600 you should have mentioned that in the review instead of saying the board has poor overclockability.

The R9700 Pro issues were entirely out of context and id like to see one piece of evidence from a professional level that states your claims are true... im not speaking in terms of people that are having problems... im spekaing in terms of ATI and Abit having some amount of documentation that proves that statement...

i did like your reivew... i just think that you should have more reliable sources for information and you should have done your homework better... among the people that i know the KD7 isn't even in the same category as the shuttle board, but you think its better...

LegendKiller

Well, the review wasn't absolute, it was a comparison. The Shuttle overclocked better. How can you explain that the Shuttle did better than the Abit if the abit is so much better? If my chip is the same, my disk drives, video card, and everything else is the same, then that indicates a problem with the Abit board. Apply occums Razor, all things being equal, the simplest answer is the correct one.

ATI did acknowledge that there was a problem. It seems to me that your trying to split hairs because board that you care for has gotten a worse review. I did not let other peoples "opinions" of the board influence my review, I merely stated the well documented fact that the KT400 has issues with AGP 8X with the 9700pro. I did not rip apart the KT400 because of this, it was mentioned ONE time in the end and was not applied to the abit directly. Again, I think your trying to make me look bad because you, personally, have issues with me rating the Abit board not as well as the Shuttle board.

I stand by my methods and words, and my research. If your talking about CPU Overclocking Protection, I didn't mention once that the Abit board had it. I listed the features listed on the Abit site and all other features I found on the board. However, Abit does not call COP COP, they call it HTP, which was a listed feature. Asus only calls it COP, if that is what you are talking about, I am not even sure you know what your talking about.

Below Ambient

Do you have an email or some form of proof to say ATI has issues with the KT400 or just the Abit board in particular? if you did say it was the chipset than how come you didn't mention that you had the same problem with the Shuttle?

on page 1 when you're describing the KD7-RAID

Im really not picking on you or your review... im merely trying to correct the information that was falsly given to me as a reader... its being critical...

I suggest you go look at xtremetech.org and tell them your problems with your R9700.... you easily find that 13 out of 25 top 3dmark AMD scores are using the KD7... the rest of em are using the nForce 2...

LegendKiller

You seem to think that the motherboard is the determining factor in 3dmarks. Their CPU's are different steppings, months, weeks. and overclock differently. Furthermore, they have different RAM, HDD's (When I went from IDE to SCSI my 3dmarks went up 300), and all sorts of things.

As far as the C.O.P or H.T.P that IS on the KD7-RAID, if you go to that page its there. Do you want me to post a screenshot of it? Almost all modern motherboards have a thermal overload protection.

Lastly, I had some problems with the 9700pro, I crashed. I did NOT have slow results (for the 3rd time). Again, you seem to be talking past me instead of talking to me. Furthermore, what I am saying is going one ear and out the other. Let me repeat, there are problems with the KT400, AGP8x, and the 9700pro, people have seen this and I mentioned it. I had problems crashing, however, I could not directly attribute it to the 9700pro (even though when I put in a GF4 there was no problems). I did NOT have slowdowns, I had CRASHES.

LK

LPMiller

one

two

three

Google is your friend.

Also, it's not all the time, but the problem appears to be the way Via implements 8x AGP. Abit bits suffer more than others. But like any PC problem, that doesn't mean it will affect everyone 100 percent of the time.

So now, everything you brought up has been shown wrong. In the future, I suggest this site

And have your people stop sending me OCZ PR, I haven't posted it yet, and don't really plan on it any time soon.

__________________
lpmiller
Chief News Editor
Nobel Prize Nominee
Reverend in the Universal Life Church
Once Shot A Man For Snoring Too Loud
Way Too Lazy To Change His Signature

"The strength to change what I can, the inability to accept what I can't, and the incapacity to tell the difference." - Calvin and Hobbes

sbp