ATI Radeons?

RBK-Trix · 03-28-2003, 12:38 AM

Would you guys/girls recommand the ATI Radeon 9500 Pro or ATI Radeon 9000 Pro?

and which one has the better performance and quality.

RBK-Trix · 03-28-2003, 12:45 AM

Do you know where I can get a 9500 non pro?

RBK-Trix · 03-28-2003, 12:46 AM

Whats the difference between the Pro and Non Pro?

~~Cantacuzene~~ · 03-28-2003, 08:44 AM

No, do not get the non-Pro. The mod doesnt work anymore. The ones that could be modded were recalled weeks ago. And even if you are lucky enough to still find one that potentially could be modded, you have a less tan 25% chance of makign it actually work. Get the Pro and be happy with the best bang for your busk you can get.

Booyamos · 03-28-2003, 09:00 AM

get a radeon 9800 pro, or 9700 pro. Mine is super fast, but there are some problems which I am still working on (aka random crashes) I think it has to do with my mobo and 8x agp...

But it is the fastest card out there and performs super well, if you don't have problems like me

Aristo · 03-28-2003, 09:05 AM

I would say save the money from upgrading to Pro version. There are software modification available for 9500 to 9700 and 9700 to 9800. You can find them at the forum of rage3d.com. I'm using the softmod on my Power-Color 9700 to 9800. No problem so far.

bachviet · 03-28-2003, 09:35 AM

R9000Pro sucks! It's not a R8500 replacement because the correct one is R9100. I would go with the R9500Pro also.

~~Cantacuzene~~ · 03-28-2003, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aristo
I would say save the money from upgrading to Pro version. There are software modification available for 9500 to 9700 and 9700 to 9800. You can find them at the forum of rage3d.com. I'm using the softmod on my Power-Color 9700 to 9800. No problem so far.

Didn't I just say that there is no longer a way to mod 9500 -> 9700? As far as the 9700 -> 9800 goes, that isnt exactly true. All it does is fools the drivers into thinking the 9700 is a 9800. The preformance gain isnt the same as having a 9800.

bachviet · 03-28-2003, 02:45 PM

R8500LE gets my vote.

RBK-Trix · 03-28-2003, 02:50 PM

So if you were to choose from the 9500 non-pro and the 9500 pro...You'll get the 9500 Pro?

~~Cantacuzene~~ · 03-28-2003, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RBK-Trix
So if you were to choose from the 9500 non-pro and the 9500 pro...You'll get the 9500 Pro?

Yes. A few months ago I would have said non-pro. As it stands now you have less than a 1% chance of getting a non-pro that can be modded and ten successfully modded. If you buy the non-pro and it cant be modded (which is almost certain) then you are left with a card thats slower than a ti4200. Better spending the money on a sure thing.

RBK-Trix · 03-28-2003, 03:04 PM

What about the 9500 Pro and the Ti4200?

Which one would you choose.

~~Cantacuzene~~ · 03-28-2003, 03:12 PM

9500 pro. Its more expensive, but faster and dx9 complient. 9500pro is easily the best bang for the buck card you can buy now. I own a ti4200 and cant complain about it, but if I was buying a card today id get a 9500 pro.

RBK-Trix · 03-28-2003, 03:22 PM

Alright. Thanks Cantacuzene your really a big help. Thanks for all your input.

ceeka · 03-28-2003, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkFury
Ok... here's another question for ya.

Which one would you get between the Radeon 8500LE and the 9100 (in the 128MB flavor)

They seem to both be within the same price range and I was just wondering if there is a performance difference between the two.

The main reason I am looking at this card is for the DVD/TV playback to put it in a Home Theater PC that I am considering building.

Thanks for your help...

They both use the same R200 chip. They renamed the Radeon 8500s to 9100s because they performed better than the 9000s. I'm not sure what the clock speeds are on the cards. I would get the 9100 because that one uses the new multi-media center software that uses the Power DVD engine. They 8500s are not licensed for it.

Aristo · 03-29-2003, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cantacuzene

Didn't I just say that there is no longer a way to mod 9500 -> 9700? As far as the 9700 -> 9800 goes, that isnt exactly true. All it does is fools the drivers into thinking the 9700 is a 9800. The preformance gain isnt the same as having a 9800.

Below is the link to upgrade from 9500 to 9700 and yes, it will only work Radeon 9500 128MB cards based on the 9700 PCB. If you are really lucky, you may be able to find it (probably used).

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/...=5&o=0&fpart=1

Here is the link to upgrade from 9700 to 9800. Some 3D Mark 01 @ 1600x1200 even has 40% gain. In 3D Mark with 2x AA, there is a 10% improvement. It may not be as good as 9800 but I really enjoy the 10% boost for free via some software modification.

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/...=5&o=0&fpart=1

RBK-Trix · 03-29-2003, 03:51 PM

so you can still mod the 9500 non-pro?

~~Cantacuzene~~ · 03-29-2003, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RBK-Trix
so you can still mod the 9500 non-pro?

This has been answered already. No. Your chances of getting the 9500np with the 9700 pcb are less than 1%. They recalled the ones that can be modded.

ceeka · 03-30-2003, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aristo

Below is the link to upgrade from 9500 to 9700 and yes, it will only work Radeon 9500 128MB cards based on the 9700 PCB. If you are really lucky, you may be able to find it (probably used).

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/...=5&o=0&fpart=1

If you do find a used one, chances are that someone tried to mod it failed so it was returned. 9500 may use the same chip as a 9700 but they are the ones that didn't make spec so they disabled pipelines and lowered the clock speed.

baggio248 · 03-30-2003, 11:24 AM

If you guys could choose between a 9700 pro and a 8500 ALl In One, which would you choose? I realize that there are alot of diffeent features involved. While I think the All In One would be cool I don't want to sacrifice gaming quality.

RBK-Trix · 03-30-2003, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cantacuzene

This has been answered already. No. Your chances of getting the 9500np with the 9700 pcb are less than 1%. They recalled the ones that can be modded.

So basically the link Aristo put up was outdated?

bachviet · 04-01-2003, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by baggio248
If you guys could choose between a 9700 pro and a 8500 ALl In One, which would you choose? I realize that there are alot of diffeent features involved. While I think the All In One would be cool I don't want to sacrifice gaming quality.

If you play lots of games, go for the R9700Pro. If you want to do video editing and recording, go with the R8500 AIW (128MB) but do not get the R8500DV (64MB)!

bachviet · 04-02-2003, 09:33 PM

R8500DV uses a slower clock (same as the R8500LE) than the regular R8500. The 128MB R8500 AIW has the same clock speed as the R8500 thus it's faster especially for game.

~~Cantacuzene~~ · 04-02-2003, 10:30 PM

I've never understood companies who make a multiple monitor card thats weaker than the single monitor version. More real estate to cover should be more power.

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Booyamos Commander Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,277	get a radeon 9800 pro, or 9700 pro. Mine is super fast, but there are some problems which I am still working on (aka random crashes) I think it has to do with my mobo and 8x agp... But it is the fastest card out there and performs super well, if you don't have problems like me __________________ Boo ya Grandma

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03-28-2003, 12:45 AM	#2
RBK-Trix Ensign Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 36	Do you know where I can get a 9500 non pro?

03-28-2003, 12:46 AM	#3
RBK-Trix Ensign Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 36	Whats the difference between the Pro and Non Pro?

03-28-2003, 08:44 AM	#4
~~Cantacuzene~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA Posts: 8,700	No, do not get the non-Pro. The mod doesnt work anymore. The ones that could be modded were recalled weeks ago. And even if you are lucky enough to still find one that potentially could be modded, you have a less tan 25% chance of makign it actually work. Get the Pro and be happy with the best bang for your busk you can get.

03-28-2003, 09:05 AM	#6
Aristo Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,581	I would say save the money from upgrading to Pro version. There are software modification available for 9500 to 9700 and 9700 to 9800. You can find them at the forum of rage3d.com. I'm using the softmod on my Power-Color 9700 to 9800. No problem so far.

03-28-2003, 09:35 AM	#7
bachviet What's Da Pho*? Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SoCal (714) Posts: 13,296	R9000Pro sucks! It's not a R8500 replacement because the correct one is R9100. I would go with the R9500Pro also.

03-28-2003, 02:45 PM	#9
bachviet What's Da Pho*? Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SoCal (714) Posts: 13,296	R8500LE gets my vote.

03-28-2003, 02:50 PM	#10
RBK-Trix Ensign Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 36	So if you were to choose from the 9500 non-pro and the 9500 pro...You'll get the 9500 Pro?

03-28-2003, 03:04 PM	#12
RBK-Trix Ensign Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 36	What about the 9500 Pro and the Ti4200? Which one would you choose.

03-28-2003, 03:12 PM	#13
~~Cantacuzene~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA Posts: 8,700	9500 pro. Its more expensive, but faster and dx9 complient. 9500pro is easily the best bang for the buck card you can buy now. I own a ti4200 and cant complain about it, but if I was buying a card today id get a 9500 pro.

03-28-2003, 03:22 PM	#14
RBK-Trix Ensign Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 36	Alright. Thanks Cantacuzene your really a big help. Thanks for all your input.

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RBK-Trix Ensign Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 36	so you can still mod the 9500 non-pro?

03-30-2003, 11:24 AM	#20
baggio248 Captain Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Aurora, OH Posts: 1,967	If you guys could choose between a 9700 pro and a 8500 ALl In One, which would you choose? I realize that there are alot of diffeent features involved. While I think the All In One would be cool I don't want to sacrifice gaming quality.

04-02-2003, 09:33 PM	#23
bachviet What's Da Pho*? Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SoCal (714) Posts: 13,296	R8500DV uses a slower clock (same as the R8500LE) than the regular R8500. The 128MB R8500 AIW has the same clock speed as the R8500 thus it's faster especially for game.

04-02-2003, 10:30 PM	#24
~~Cantacuzene~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA Posts: 8,700	I've never understood companies who make a multiple monitor card thats weaker than the single monitor version. More real estate to cover should be more power.