NVIDIA you dirty little cheats!

Showtime · 05-23-2003, 07:56 PM

"Saratoga, California USA May 23rd, 2003

Dear Member of the Press:

3DMark(R)03 incorporates many ground breaking new features and technologies and sets the standard for easily and objectively measuring and comparing modern PCs' 3D graphics performance. Recently, there have been questions and some confusion regarding 3DMark(R)03 results obtained with certain NVIDIA drivers.

We have now established that NVIDIA's Detonator FX drivers contain certain detection mechanisms that cause an artificially high score when using 3DMark(R)03. We have just published a patch 330 for 3DMark03 that defeats the detection mechanisms in the drivers and provides correct results.

patch:
http://www.futuremark.com/download/?...patch330.shtml

As with all Futuremark's benchmarks, 3DMark(R)03 has been created in cooperation with the major PC industry players to provide users with the best possible and most reliable set of diagnostic tools.

Futuremark is regarded as the driving force that pushes the industry to raise the bar with respect to graphics performance and features. We are committed to deliver performance analysis in an accurate, fair and consistent manner. 3DMark(R)03 continues in that tradition."

Falsely inflating scores and giving Nvidia card owners a false sense of superiority.

How low will they go?

-jel

Mike_N_Ike · 05-23-2003, 08:08 PM

Hehe...thats shaaaaady.

Pretty good idea though.

attgig · 05-23-2003, 08:13 PM

wow..punks.

i'd like to see all the review sites redo-ing their reviews with new scores with the patch on 3dmark.

revil · 05-23-2003, 09:26 PM

bah. ati does it too.

~~Cantacuzene~~ · 05-23-2003, 09:39 PM

YEah, Nvidia cheated and gained 24% while ATI's so called cheat gained them a massive 1.9%. Thats actually within the margin of error.

xsiled2 · 05-23-2003, 10:04 PM

ati tryed and failed... nuff said.

Bires · 05-23-2003, 10:27 PM

So why do we care about 3DMark again? Anyone that matters uses real in-game benchmarks. (UT2003 is my favorite)

~~Cantacuzene~~ · 05-23-2003, 10:37 PM

Yeah, the HArdocp UT2003 benchmark is the best test out there for a pc right now. I'd like to get my hands on that Doom3 benchmark all the tech sites got. Seems like that would be a reall stress test.

Bires · 05-24-2003, 07:59 AM

I'd like to get the Aquamark 2.0 benchmark-supposed to bring current video cards to their knees.

look_ma · 05-24-2003, 09:47 AM

Since the benchmarks were on their website saying their cards were "so good", I am just waiting until some idiot is going to TRY and sue for false advertising.

sho.gun · 05-24-2003, 10:53 AM

I still believe minesweeper is one of the most effective benchmarks out there

s2 · 06-02-2003, 12:43 PM

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,110896,00.asp

Quote:

In fact, ATI appears to have also been altering its software drivers to improve its test scores, Futuremark said. The new benchmark reduced the performance of a system with ATI's Catalyst 3.4 driver and the Radeon 9800 Pro by almost 2 percent. This was due to a drop in performance of some 8 percent for one particular part of the test, suggesting that ATI's drivers also had been making adjustments to produce better results. 3DMark03's margin of error was 3 percent.

Yet more proof that NVIDIA is better than ATI. ATI can't even cheat as well as NVIDIA can.

3dMark is a useless tool for people to brag about their scores. Real world application benchmarks are much better. UT2003 is very good for now, this fall Half Life 2 will become the new benchmark and then Doom III.

GraingerGuy · 06-02-2003, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by s2
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,110896,00.asp

Yet more proof that NVIDIA is better than ATI. ATI can't even cheat as well as NVIDIA can.

3dMark is a useless tool for people to brag about their scores. Real world application benchmarks are much better. UT2003 is very good for now, this fall Half Life 2 will become the new benchmark and then Doom III.

Or It just means that nVidia can cheat better.

If a student cheats and scores better on a test than everyone does that mean that the student is better academically? Let's go with....no. It just means that student is a dirty cheat. Just like nVidia.

bachviet · 06-02-2003, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GraingerGuy

Or It just means that nVidia can cheat better.

If a student cheats and scores better on a test than everyone does that mean that the student is better academically? Let's go with....no. It just means that student is a dirty cheat. Just like nVidia.

sbp · 06-02-2003, 10:38 PM

http://www.nvnews.net/#1054594677
Looks like they are kissed and made up.

slaus · 06-09-2003, 10:15 PM

It's only cheating if you get caught =P

zippyjuan · 06-11-2003, 11:19 PM

I recently downloaded the latest drivers from ATI for my 9700 (not pro) and my score on Futuremark 2003 went up 300 points (about 7 1/2%). I just use it to see how mu computer is running. I am still using the same test i downloaded. No memory or hardware changes. Is it because they are cheating or is it because the drivers are better?

sbp · 06-11-2003, 11:56 PM

It could be that particular driver was optimized better for 3dmark. That doesn't mean the driver is as good for games as a previous driver is. After all 3dmark increase != game increase

05-23-2003, 08:08 PM	#2
Mike_N_Ike Captain Join Date: May 2000 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 1,676	Hehe...thats shaaaaady. Pretty good idea though. __________________ -Mike

05-23-2003, 08:13 PM	#3
attgig Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: the burbs of baltimore Posts: 11,924	wow..punks. i'd like to see all the review sites redo-ing their reviews with new scores with the patch on 3dmark. __________________

05-23-2003, 10:27 PM	#7
Bires Admiral Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 5,064	So why do we care about 3DMark again? Anyone that matters uses real in-game benchmarks. (UT2003 is my favorite) __________________ Five years...

06-02-2003, 10:38 PM	#15
sbp Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 11,037	Got\|Soap opera? http://www.nvnews.net/#1054594677 Looks like they are kissed and made up.

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05-23-2003, 07:56 PM	#1
Showtime Lakers fanatic Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: L.A. ->SoCal<- O.C. Posts: 7,338	NVIDIA you dirty little cheats! "Saratoga, California USA May 23rd, 2003 Dear Member of the Press: 3DMark(R)03 incorporates many ground breaking new features and technologies and sets the standard for easily and objectively measuring and comparing modern PCs' 3D graphics performance. Recently, there have been questions and some confusion regarding 3DMark(R)03 results obtained with certain NVIDIA drivers. We have now established that NVIDIA's Detonator FX drivers contain certain detection mechanisms that cause an artificially high score when using 3DMark(R)03. We have just published a patch 330 for 3DMark03 that defeats the detection mechanisms in the drivers and provides correct results. patch: http://www.futuremark.com/download/?...patch330.shtml As with all Futuremark's benchmarks, 3DMark(R)03 has been created in cooperation with the major PC industry players to provide users with the best possible and most reliable set of diagnostic tools. Futuremark is regarded as the driving force that pushes the industry to raise the bar with respect to graphics performance and features. We are committed to deliver performance analysis in an accurate, fair and consistent manner. 3DMark(R)03 continues in that tradition." Falsely inflating scores and giving Nvidia card owners a false sense of superiority. How low will they go? -jel

05-23-2003, 09:26 PM	#4
revil shibuya girl Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Oregon Posts: 6,851	bah. ati does it too.

05-23-2003, 09:39 PM	#5
~~Cantacuzene~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA Posts: 8,700	YEah, Nvidia cheated and gained 24% while ATI's so called cheat gained them a massive 1.9%. Thats actually within the margin of error.

05-23-2003, 10:04 PM	#6
xsiled2 Vice Admiral Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: bye Posts: 4,090	ati tryed and failed... nuff said.

05-23-2003, 10:37 PM	#8
~~Cantacuzene~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA Posts: 8,700	Yeah, the HArdocp UT2003 benchmark is the best test out there for a pc right now. I'd like to get my hands on that Doom3 benchmark all the tech sites got. Seems like that would be a reall stress test.

05-24-2003, 07:59 AM	#9
Bires Admiral Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 5,064	I'd like to get the Aquamark 2.0 benchmark-supposed to bring current video cards to their knees.

05-24-2003, 09:47 AM	#10
look_ma Captain Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Austin Posts: 1,660	Since the benchmarks were on their website saying their cards were "so good", I am just waiting until some idiot is going to TRY and sue for false advertising.

05-24-2003, 10:53 AM	#11
sho.gun the lemonizer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Calabasas, CA Posts: 5,373	I still believe minesweeper is one of the most effective benchmarks out there

06-09-2003, 10:15 PM	#16
slaus Commander Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,189	It's only cheating if you get caught =P

06-11-2003, 11:19 PM	#17
zippyjuan Picture of the Day Guru Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 8,756	I recently downloaded the latest drivers from ATI for my 9700 (not pro) and my score on Futuremark 2003 went up 300 points (about 7 1/2%). I just use it to see how mu computer is running. I am still using the same test i downloaded. No memory or hardware changes. Is it because they are cheating or is it because the drivers are better?

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06-11-2003, 11:56 PM	#18
sbp Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 11,037	It could be that particular driver was optimized better for 3dmark. That doesn't mean the driver is as good for games as a previous driver is. After all 3dmark increase != game increase