ARGHHHH another snag

Burzhui · 04-24-2005, 11:16 AM

so my ram is still not here, but

the main problem is that the mobo has a 24pin power connector but the power supply has a 20 pin connector ARGHHHHHHH this isn't going right

g222leav · 04-24-2005, 11:37 AM

yea dude, i hate that...you have piling parts and you start putting it together to only find out that you're missing something...what a biatch!

Burzhui · 04-24-2005, 11:44 AM

i can't even figure it outATX12v standard is 24 pins + 4pin connector
so what the hell is up with the 20pin connector on the psu

ramazank2 · 04-24-2005, 12:09 PM

You bought an old power supply for a Pentium 3 and earlier. You need to get a P4 approved power supply. Dealsonic ahs good prices on cheaper units if you dont want to go with a high priced Antec.

hapoo · 04-24-2005, 12:26 PM

or just buy a 3 dollar 20pin to 24pin adaptor

DarkFury · 04-24-2005, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramazank2

You bought an old power supply for a Pentium 3 and earlier. You need to get a P4 approved power supply. Dealsonic ahs good prices on cheaper units if you dont want to go with a high priced Antec.

Honestly, you are giving him the wrong advice here...

Here is what he has...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burzhui

as of right now my system is

Antec PlusView1000AMG Metallic
Antec True550 ATX12v PSU
P5AD2-E Premium - Mainboard ATX i925X
Intel P4 3.0 630
Crucial Ballistix 2 x 512MB DDR-PC2 5300 667mhz ram
2x WD 36.7GB Raptors
3x WD 120GB SE caviar drives
1 WD 250GB SE drive
Creative Soundblaster live 7.1
DVD burner
Liteon 42x cdrw

The Antec True550 is compatible with Pentium 4 ATX standards... however the "old" P4 standard used a 20 pin layout and Burz's board now uses a 24 pin layout.

Burz.. here is a pic of your motherboard...

What you need is a 20 pin to 24 pin converter... Here's one that I found on a quick check on google: http://www.xpcgear.com/20to24pinatx.html

You can shop around to find if you can get a better deal.

Honestly, blame the mobo manufacturers for changing the spec... 20 pins was the standard previously... and now they go and change it. Geez.

Burzhui · 04-24-2005, 12:56 PM

ok i was doing reasearch as well and i came up with the same thing
the 24pin is ATX 2.0, and the converter is not a great idea because it draws way too much power from the 12v rail. Now i can plug the 20pin into the 24pin connector without using a conerter that's a safer choice, but i have way too many perupherals plus the upcomming pci express video card and this can result in instability due to insuficient power. I will call newegg and scream at them tomorrow for listing the mobo imporperly it's listed as atx not atx 2.0, what i will be getting instead is Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply ... newegg has pretty good customer service so i don't think it should be a problem

DarkFury · 04-24-2005, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burzhui

ok i was doing reasearch as well and i came up with the same thing
the 24pin is ATX 2.0, and the converter is not a great idea because it draws way too much power from the 12v rail. Now i can plug the 20pin into the 24pin connector without using a conerter that's a safer choice, but i have way too many perupherals plus the upcomming pci express video card and this can result in instability due to insuficient power. I will call newegg and scream at them tomorrow for listing the mobo imporperly it's listed as atx not atx 2.0, what i will be getting instead is Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply ... newegg has pretty good customer service so i don't think it should be a problem

Ummm Burz...

Exactly which Truepower 550 did you buy? Did you buy the TruePower 2.0 (which does have a 24 pin 12v lead?) it costs about $110 plus $6.99 shipping at Newegg

http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16817103932 or

http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16817103932

or did you buy the older TruePower 550 for $95 plus $6.99 shipping
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16817103910

If you bought the TruePower 2 from the first link... then you'd have the right P/S for what you are doing.

w/ 1 120mm fan

w/2 80mm fans

Burzhui · 04-24-2005, 09:36 PM

as i posted in my previous post i will be buying the trupower II, or rather exchanging it for the older one that they sent me.. and the only reason i got the older one in the first place is because the customer support guy at new egg said that they are compatible

hapoo · 04-25-2005, 12:22 AM

burz, computers rarely use more than 250watts. Your PS is rated for more than 500 watts, so your not going to have ANY power troubles... I swear!

DarkFury · 04-25-2005, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burzhui

as i posted in my previous post i will be buying the trupower II, or rather exchanging it for the older one that they sent me.. and the only reason i got the older one in the first place is because the customer support guy at new egg said that they are compatible

Heh.. you went by what someone SAID...

I guess that was the "first" mistake.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hapoo

burz, computers rarely use more than 250watts. Your PS is rated for more than 500 watts, so your not going to have ANY power troubles... I swear!

Well.. with a GeForce 6800 and 5 Hard Drives (and 2 optical drives)... I'm sure that I'm using a good portion of that 500 watts of power.

Burzhui · 04-25-2005, 11:01 AM

nah dude that was my ploy to get them to pay for my RMA

i didn't talk to them, actually newegg does not provide any tech advice. The thing is both the mobo and the power supply are listed as ATX, the mobo should be listed either as ATX 2.01 or ATX12V since the True power 2 power supply is listed as ATX12V

Showtime · 04-25-2005, 12:21 PM

I have a 550watt antec true control with 20 pin and it works fine with my DFI ultra D and 6800GT. You just have to run one power lines to the pci-e card and not run anything else on that line. Lot's of people doing this right now.
If you want one of the best ps there is at decent price, these guys have them on sale every once in a while. And if you can find them on pricewatch you can save around $10 and get free shipping with it. Seasonic > Antec.
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=PS-S12-430

Last time they were on sale there, it was like $70 for the 430 watt and $11X for the 600 watt ps.

-j

hapoo · 04-25-2005, 02:41 PM

5 HD's * 10 watts = 50
2 opticals * 20 watts = 40
Geforce 6800 = 110
p4 EE 3.4 (assuming)= 110
Misc = 20
_____________________________________
330 Watts! And thats assuming your using EVERYTHING at the same time at its full capacity!

Burzhui · 04-25-2005, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hapoo

5 HD's * 10 watts = 50
2 opticals * 20 watts = 40
Geforce 6800 = 110
p4 EE 3.4 (assuming)= 110
Misc = 20
_____________________________________
330 Watts! And thats assuming your using EVERYTHING at the same time at its full capacity!

+ scanner, plus a ****load of usb devices(i have 2 four port usb hubs and looking to buy a 3rd one) + several firewire devices, plus external hard drive

hapoo · 04-25-2005, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burzhui

+ scanner, plus a ****load of usb devices(i have 2 four port usb hubs and looking to buy a 3rd one) + several firewire devices, plus external hard drive

330 watts
+ depends on if the hub is active or passive (active provides own power)
either way usb provides at most 2.5 watts a port * 8 = 20 watts
+ firewire (provides a max of 15 watts per port) * 3 = 45
+ external hard drive has its own ps usually
+ scanner has its own ps usually

_________________________________________________
still under 400 watts at full draw

Showtime · 04-25-2005, 04:43 PM

*intently waitin on B's reply*

Question... it's not the wattage thats really the problem is it? Isn't it the amps? The amount of amps that each rail has and how the load is distributed.

-j

DarkFury · 04-25-2005, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burzhui

nah dude that was my ploy to get them to pay for my RMA

i didn't talk to them, actually newegg does not provide any tech advice. The thing is both the mobo and the power supply are listed as ATX, the mobo should be listed either as ATX 2.01 or ATX12V since the True power 2 power supply is listed as ATX12V

So basically what you are saying here is... YOU made the mistake and bought the wrong one.

Pretty sneaky there Burz... but hey, it paid off.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hapoo

5 HD's * 10 watts = 50
2 opticals * 20 watts = 40
Geforce 6800 = 110
p4 EE 3.4 (assuming)= 110
Misc = 20
_____________________________________
330 Watts! And thats assuming your using EVERYTHING at the same time at its full capacity!

So would YOU want to run a power supply at it's FULL rated power?

My experience with amplifiers say... it's always better to have more than you need, thus you don't overwork the unit.

But thanks for trying to back up your statements anyways... By your assessement, you probably wonder why they even make 500 watt P/S.

BTW... most of those "so called" 500w supplies will NEVER actually put out that much. Kinda like those Pyramid amps that claim that they can do 1000 - 1500 watts of power (maximum distortion more like it.

)

Quote:

Originally Posted by the jello is jigglin

*intently waitin on B's reply*

Question... it's not the wattage thats really the problem is it? Isn't it the amps? The amount of amps that each rail has and how the load is distributed.

-j

Exactimundo...

But they know that saying 500watts is more impressive than saying 40Amps on the 12V rail.

Burzhui · 04-25-2005, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hapoo

330 watts
+ depends on if the hub is active or passive (active provides own power)
either way usb provides at most 2.5 watts a port * 8 = 20 watts
+ firewire (provides a max of 15 watts per port) * 3 = 45
+ external hard drive has its own ps usually
+ scanner has its own ps usually

_________________________________________________
still under 400 watts at full draw

nein, scanner is usb powered, all hubs are passive

[quote=DarkFury]So basically what you are saying here is... YOU made the mistake and bought the wrong one.

Pretty sneaky there Burz... but hey, it paid off.

[quote]

nah dude... well yea, but in my defense nowhere on the asus site is it mentioned about atx 2.01 or 24 pins etc

DarkFury · 04-25-2005, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burzhui

nah dude... well yea, but in my defense nowhere on the asus site is it mentioned about atx 2.01 or 24 pins etc

Ummm... good try.

http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=...emium&langs=09

Quote:

Internal I/O Connectors

2 x USB 2.0 connectors supports additional 4 USB 2.0 ports
1 x LAN connector
2 x IEEE1394 connectors
1 x COM connector
1 x GAME/MIDI connector
CPU / 2 x Chassis / Power Fan connectors
Front panel High Definition Audio connector
Chassis Intrusion connector
CD audio-in connector
24-pin ATX Power connector
4-pin ATX 12V Power connector

Just admit it... YOU DIDN'T DO YOUR RESEARCH before you started spending your money.

But it's all good... cause you found out before it really became a problem.

Showtime · 04-26-2005, 01:10 AM

That ps in my link would be plenty for you and is quiet. Check pricewatch for links to ewiz and every once in a while they have them on the cheap. Company has a fairly good rep and I think they have some kind of partnership going with seasonic.

-j

Burzhui · 04-26-2005, 08:14 AM

i kind of trust antec..much, so i decided to go with them again

Merlin · 04-26-2005, 09:06 AM

Next time just buy a Dell.

hapoo · 04-26-2005, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFury

So would YOU want to run a power supply at it's FULL rated power?

My experience with amplifiers say... it's always better to have more than you need, thus you don't overwork the unit.

But thanks for trying to back up your statements anyways... By your assessement, you probably wonder why they even make 500 watt P/S.

BTW... most of those "so called" 500w supplies will NEVER actually put out that much. Kinda like those Pyramid amps that claim that they can do 1000 - 1500 watts of power (maximum distortion more like it.

)

1. As i mentioned, you will likely NEVER run at full capacity
2. last i checked 500 > 400
3. They make 500 watt+ ps's because it sounds better than a 400 ps... to sell more units, YOU try to back up your statements about a computer needing that much power

4. true most put out a PEAK 500, but we're not talking about most, we're talking about a specific antec

Burzhui · 04-26-2005, 11:48 AM

The ram... she is here, and the graphic card is here too, DOOM 3 here i come!

DarkFury · 04-26-2005, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hapoo

1. As i mentioned, you will likely NEVER run at full capacity
2. last i checked 500 > 400
3. They make 500 watt+ ps's because it sounds better than a 400 ps... to sell more units, YOU try to back up your statements about a computer needing that much power

4. true most put out a PEAK 500, but we're not talking about most, we're talking about a specific antec

But did you address the Amperage issue above...

You can't just go by the watts... Are there a bunch of 400W P/S that do 40 amps on the 12V rail? How much do they cost and who makes them... if you can find one?

I'm getttin the impression that you are really stuck on the 500+ watt thing? Power supply envy maybe?

04-24-2005, 11:16 AM	#1
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04-24-2005, 11:37 AM	#2
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04-25-2005, 12:21 PM	#13
Showtime Lakers fanatic Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: L.A. ->SoCal<- O.C. Posts: 7,338	I have a 550watt antec true control with 20 pin and it works fine with my DFI ultra D and 6800GT. You just have to run one power lines to the pci-e card and not run anything else on that line. Lot's of people doing this right now. If you want one of the best ps there is at decent price, these guys have them on sale every once in a while. And if you can find them on pricewatch you can save around $10 and get free shipping with it. Seasonic > Antec. http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=PS-S12-430 Last time they were on sale there, it was like $70 for the 430 watt and $11X for the 600 watt ps. -j __________________ NBA REPORT 10-11/ The 3-Peat! 1948 1949 1950 1952 1953 1954 1972 1980 1982 1985 1987 1988 2000 2001 2002 2009 2010 Reigning NBA CHAMPS!

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04-24-2005, 11:44 AM	#3
Burzhui hot in velour pants Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: New York City Posts: 9,198	i can't even figure it outATX12v standard is 24 pins + 4pin connector so what the hell is up with the 20pin connector on the psu

04-24-2005, 12:09 PM	#4
ramazank2 Commander Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Costa Mesa, CA Posts: 1,295	You bought an old power supply for a Pentium 3 and earlier. You need to get a P4 approved power supply. Dealsonic ahs good prices on cheaper units if you dont want to go with a high priced Antec.

04-24-2005, 12:26 PM	#5
hapoo Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: 742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield USA Posts: 9,276	or just buy a 3 dollar 20pin to 24pin adaptor

04-24-2005, 12:56 PM	#7
Burzhui hot in velour pants Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: New York City Posts: 9,198	ok i was doing reasearch as well and i came up with the same thing the 24pin is ATX 2.0, and the converter is not a great idea because it draws way too much power from the 12v rail. Now i can plug the 20pin into the 24pin connector without using a conerter that's a safer choice, but i have way too many perupherals plus the upcomming pci express video card and this can result in instability due to insuficient power. I will call newegg and scream at them tomorrow for listing the mobo imporperly it's listed as atx not atx 2.0, what i will be getting instead is Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply ... newegg has pretty good customer service so i don't think it should be a problem

04-24-2005, 09:36 PM	#9
Burzhui hot in velour pants Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: New York City Posts: 9,198	as i posted in my previous post i will be buying the trupower II, or rather exchanging it for the older one that they sent me.. and the only reason i got the older one in the first place is because the customer support guy at new egg said that they are compatible

04-25-2005, 12:22 AM	#10
hapoo Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: 742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield USA Posts: 9,276	burz, computers rarely use more than 250watts. Your PS is rated for more than 500 watts, so your not going to have ANY power troubles... I swear!

04-25-2005, 11:01 AM	#12
Burzhui hot in velour pants Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: New York City Posts: 9,198	nah dude that was my ploy to get them to pay for my RMA i didn't talk to them, actually newegg does not provide any tech advice. The thing is both the mobo and the power supply are listed as ATX, the mobo should be listed either as ATX 2.01 or ATX12V since the True power 2 power supply is listed as ATX12V

04-25-2005, 02:41 PM	#14
hapoo Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: 742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield USA Posts: 9,276	5 HD's * 10 watts = 50 2 opticals * 20 watts = 40 Geforce 6800 = 110 p4 EE 3.4 (assuming)= 110 Misc = 20 _____________________________________ 330 Watts! And thats assuming your using EVERYTHING at the same time at its full capacity!

04-25-2005, 04:43 PM	#17
Showtime Lakers fanatic Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: L.A. ->SoCal<- O.C. Posts: 7,338	intently waitin on B's reply Question... it's not the wattage thats really the problem is it? Isn't it the amps? The amount of amps that each rail has and how the load is distributed. -j

04-26-2005, 01:10 AM	#21
Showtime Lakers fanatic Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: L.A. ->SoCal<- O.C. Posts: 7,338	That ps in my link would be plenty for you and is quiet. Check pricewatch for links to ewiz and every once in a while they have them on the cheap. Company has a fairly good rep and I think they have some kind of partnership going with seasonic. -j

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04-26-2005, 08:14 AM	#22
Burzhui hot in velour pants Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: New York City Posts: 9,198	i kind of trust antec..much, so i decided to go with them again

04-26-2005, 11:48 AM	#25
Burzhui hot in velour pants Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: New York City Posts: 9,198	The ram... she is here, and the graphic card is here too, DOOM 3 here i come!