Question for the Home Theater Connoisseurs

youknowmysteez · 04-30-2003, 07:47 AM

Hey all,

Here is my story and I will try to keep it brief.I was in a parking lot of a Home Depot with my girlfrined here in NY.Some young guys in a van pull up to us... asking if we wanna buy some speakers.So I took a look at the speakers.... they were marked $1,500.00 a piece..so I talked these kids/guys down to 2 for $300.00....they gave me some song and dance on how they were doing a delivery and the guys signed for the wrong amount and these were "left overs"....( who am I to pass up a good deal)

The name of the company is Doggdigital...now I have seen several stories on the net about people buying these speakers the same way I did and got speakers that did not work( mine do I tested them).....but my question is......on the back of the speakers there is a spot to hook up the wires...but there is 4 places the wires can get hooked up... 2 or marked possitive and 2 negative... does any one know why there would be 4 spots?

I also put a link to the website of the company......http://www.doggdigitalaudio.com/Home.html

click on Home Audio..... then the 600-sl series... tell me what you guys think............ sorry for the lenght of my post and thank you for all of those who had the patience to read it

Ustas · 04-30-2003, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by youknowmysteez
Hey all,
.....on the back of the speakers there is a spot to hook up the wires...but there is 4 places the wires can get hooked up... 2 or marked possitive and 2 negative... does any one know why there would be 4 spots?

That means the speaker is biwirable.
If there is a metal bridge between the speaker posts connect the speaker cable to the lowest terminal. Do not remove the bridge unless you have a biwire speaker cable (I'm sure you not

)
Happy listening!

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Ustas

Jeffbx · 04-30-2003, 10:45 AM

http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=4913

Popular scam....

HitoZen2 · 04-30-2003, 11:41 AM

If you dare... open up the speakers and examine the inside. Decent speakers would have acoustic treatment inside... and look at the bridge.. probably fake!

Also, the drivers can easily be examined as crappy or not.

youknowmysteez · 04-30-2003, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HitoZen2
If you dare... open up the speakers and examine the inside. Decent speakers would have acoustic treatment inside... and look at the bridge.. probably fake!

Also, the drivers can easily be examined as crappy or not.

Hey what would I know to look for in the inside?

What does "acoustic treatment" look like and how would i be able to tell if the bridge is fake?

thanks for everyones help

youknowmysteez · 04-30-2003, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeffbx
http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=4913

Popular scam....

Yeah I know I saw all of these posts on the net way after I bought them...and they have been sitting in my room in a box for a year... so as soon as I saw the posts I ran to the other room to test them out.........I hooked them up to my pc to test so I really cant tell the true power till I move to my new house and have my new bigscreen and system set up.

Leon · 04-30-2003, 02:06 PM

Guys in SUVs have been trying to push their rip off speakers on me like three times a month. They tried to push these things on me like 8 years ago when I was in college. Tell them to con someone else next time.

Apex · 04-30-2003, 02:25 PM

Man, you're so lucky! All this time at Home Depot and other popular malls and no one's ever tried to rip me off with the white van scam.

More Info on White Van

youknowmysteez · 04-30-2003, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Leon
Guys in SUVs have been trying to push their rip off speakers on me like three times a month. They tried to push these things on me like 8 years ago when I was in college. Tell them to con someone else next time.

Yeah I hear what your say'n but I guess I just happened to get lucky..and not get ripped off..... then again

who knows what will happen when I hook them up to a 4 or 500wt receiver

........we shall see

youknowmysteez · 04-30-2003, 02:33 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Apex
[b]Man, you're so lucky! All this time at Home Depot and other popular malls and no one's ever tried to rip me off with the white van scam.

LMAO..YOU'RE FUNNY MAN

Ustas · 04-30-2003, 05:36 PM

C'omon folks,
he's already has been ripped off,
why everybody is trying to ruin the enjoyment?
Youknowmysteez, happy listening!

Leon · 04-30-2003, 05:44 PM

yeah, you're right. I apologize for the insensitivity. The speakers are still usable, but you should probably start saving up for a better system.

youknowmysteez · 05-01-2003, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ustas
C'omon folks,
he's already has been ripped off,
why everybody is trying to ruin the enjoyment?
Youknowmysteez, happy listening!

I don't understand why you say I have been ripped off???????

I mean is $300.00 alot to pay for a pair of speakers if they are infact 300 watts and sound great

sa-dono · 05-01-2003, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by youknowmysteez

I don't understand why you say I have been ripped off???????

I mean is $300.00 alot to pay for a pair of speakers if they are infact 300 watts and sound great

I imagine he is saying you have been ripped off because those speakers do not have a very good reputation for sound. There are MANY other options around the $300 price point, that if do not look and sound better to you, at least come with a warranty.

zippyjuan · 05-01-2003, 01:36 PM

Yep- it's that time of year! I saw those guys in San Diego last week in a red van. A sure sign of spring. Psst buddy- wanna buy some speakers?

lei · 05-01-2003, 03:17 PM

>>>>I don't understand why you say I have been ripped off??????? >>>

There are several things you can check roughly about speaker quality:

-- Knock on the side wall, sounds hollow or solid ? Solid is good.
-- How much does it weigh ? for that size, it should be more than
50lbs each if >3/4" MDF borad is used.

If you want to risk removing the woofer, you may check:

-- The size of the magnet. For high quality driver, the voice coil is
long to ensure uniform magnetic field for the maximum excursion.
However, this tends to lower the sensitivity, and therefore, a
larger magnet (stronger magnetic field) is required to compensate
for that. This is also a major reason that most hi-end speakers
are of low sensitivity.

-- Crossover. I guess they may not even use a crossover. Probably
just a low-cost capacitor to block the low frequency power to
the tweeter to prevent it from damaging.

-- Damping material. Should be on all walls.

-- Re-enforce frames.

Ustas · 05-01-2003, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by youknowmysteez

I mean is $300.00 alot to pay for a pair of speakers if they are infact 300 watts and sound great

If you want to return the speakers to manufacturer you'll see they reimburse the purchase price less $300

(look at dogs .com)
Also, some people buy Tiffany solitaires for $2,500 and some people buy the same sized diamonds in K-Mart for $150.
But it would be unfair if K-Mart claimed $2,500 MSRP for their diamonds.
If the speakers you've bought sound good for YOU and look good for YOU - this is great!
That was my point. Same that Sa-dono said.

My first speakers (long ago) were almost the same as yours.
I wish I were in your shoes now...

youknowmysteez · 05-01-2003, 08:37 PM

....No you guys are all right and all have valid points.....I did look at the speakers closer and they are heavy for one ... maybe 40 to 50 lbs

I took off the top speaker and could see inside and saw that there was some kind of insulation of sound damper I guess you would call it.

On the back of the magnet it says the following

*HIGH POWER..........................*20 OZ MAGNET
HANDLING
CAPABILITY..........................*CLEAN&LOUD
.............................................BASS

*HIGH................................*350 WATTS MAX
TEMPERATURE
VOICE COIL...........................*8 OHMS

Anyways I guess the true test will come when I eventually hook them up to my 500watt receiver I will be getting next month.........

Thanks to all of you who have written and helped me out and given great opinions...as always it is much appreciated

ChemOp · 05-01-2003, 08:45 PM

If it's too good to be true....

youknowmysteez · 05-01-2003, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChemOp
If it's too good to be true....

Then maybe I got lucky

OR

maybe I got scammed

we shall see

lei · 05-01-2003, 09:56 PM

Happy litsening.

cyro · 05-01-2003, 11:53 PM

This whole thread is just cracking me up

-Cyro

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youknowmysteez · 05-02-2003, 08:06 AM

[quote]Originally posted by cyro
[b]This whole thread is just cracking me up

-Cyro

Why is that ?

04-30-2003, 07:47 AM	#1
youknowmysteez Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New York Posts: 103	Question for the Home Theater Connoisseurs Hey all, Here is my story and I will try to keep it brief.I was in a parking lot of a Home Depot with my girlfrined here in NY.Some young guys in a van pull up to us... asking if we wanna buy some speakers.So I took a look at the speakers.... they were marked $1,500.00 a piece..so I talked these kids/guys down to 2 for $300.00....they gave me some song and dance on how they were doing a delivery and the guys signed for the wrong amount and these were "left overs"....( who am I to pass up a good deal) The name of the company is Doggdigital...now I have seen several stories on the net about people buying these speakers the same way I did and got speakers that did not work( mine do I tested them).....but my question is......on the back of the speakers there is a spot to hook up the wires...but there is 4 places the wires can get hooked up... 2 or marked possitive and 2 negative... does any one know why there would be 4 spots? I also put a link to the website of the company......http://www.doggdigitalaudio.com/Home.html click on Home Audio..... then the 600-sl series... tell me what you guys think............ sorry for the lenght of my post and thank you for all of those who had the patience to read it

05-01-2003, 01:36 PM	#15
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04-30-2003, 10:45 AM	#3
Jeffbx Fleet Admiral Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Michigan Posts: 9,390	http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=4913 Popular scam....

04-30-2003, 11:41 AM	#4
HitoZen2 Ensign Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 37	If you dare... open up the speakers and examine the inside. Decent speakers would have acoustic treatment inside... and look at the bridge.. probably fake! Also, the drivers can easily be examined as crappy or not.

04-30-2003, 02:06 PM	#7
Leon Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,219	Guys in SUVs have been trying to push their rip off speakers on me like three times a month. They tried to push these things on me like 8 years ago when I was in college. Tell them to con someone else next time.

04-30-2003, 02:25 PM	#8
Apex Can you hear me now? Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Here Posts: 5,506	Man, you're so lucky! All this time at Home Depot and other popular malls and no one's ever tried to rip me off with the white van scam. More Info on White Van

04-30-2003, 02:33 PM	#10
youknowmysteez Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New York Posts: 103	[quote]Originally posted by Apex [b]Man, you're so lucky! All this time at Home Depot and other popular malls and no one's ever tried to rip me off with the white van scam. LMAO..YOU'RE FUNNY MAN

04-30-2003, 05:36 PM	#11
Ustas Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 133	C'omon folks, he's already has been ripped off, why everybody is trying to ruin the enjoyment? Youknowmysteez, happy listening!

04-30-2003, 05:44 PM	#12
Leon Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,219	yeah, you're right. I apologize for the insensitivity. The speakers are still usable, but you should probably start saving up for a better system.

05-01-2003, 03:17 PM	#16
lei Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 333	>>>>I don't understand why you say I have been ripped off??????? >>> There are several things you can check roughly about speaker quality: -- Knock on the side wall, sounds hollow or solid ? Solid is good. -- How much does it weigh ? for that size, it should be more than 50lbs each if >3/4" MDF borad is used. If you want to risk removing the woofer, you may check: -- The size of the magnet. For high quality driver, the voice coil is long to ensure uniform magnetic field for the maximum excursion. However, this tends to lower the sensitivity, and therefore, a larger magnet (stronger magnetic field) is required to compensate for that. This is also a major reason that most hi-end speakers are of low sensitivity. -- Crossover. I guess they may not even use a crossover. Probably just a low-cost capacitor to block the low frequency power to the tweeter to prevent it from damaging. -- Damping material. Should be on all walls. -- Re-enforce frames.

05-01-2003, 08:37 PM	#18
youknowmysteez Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New York Posts: 103	....No you guys are all right and all have valid points.....I did look at the speakers closer and they are heavy for one ... maybe 40 to 50 lbs I took off the top speaker and could see inside and saw that there was some kind of insulation of sound damper I guess you would call it. On the back of the magnet it says the following HIGH POWER..........................20 OZ MAGNET HANDLING CAPABILITY..........................CLEAN&LOUD .............................................BASS HIGH................................350 WATTS MAX TEMPERATURE VOICE COIL...........................8 OHMS Anyways I guess the true test will come when I eventually hook them up to my 500watt receiver I will be getting next month......... Thanks to all of you who have written and helped me out and given great opinions...as always it is much appreciated

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05-01-2003, 09:56 PM	#21
lei Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 333	Happy litsening.

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05-02-2003, 08:06 AM	#23
youknowmysteez Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New York Posts: 103	[quote]Originally posted by cyro [b]This whole thread is just cracking me up -Cyro Why is that ?