42" Dell Plasma TV

johnnymk · 10-27-2003, 03:48 PM

in today's deal page. Is it EDTV or HDTV?

coleslaw · 10-27-2003, 03:58 PM

852x480 EDTV resolution.

johnnymk · 10-27-2003, 05:06 PM

Thanks, that's what I figured.

zippyjuan · 10-28-2003, 01:40 AM

ED TV is the perfect resolution for DVDs and it will also give you a better picture with standard (cable, sattelite, broadcast) signals than an HD set will. HD signals will not quite be as good as a true HD set, but at normal viewing distances you probably won't notice. I don't think the Dell Panasonic includes any tuner or speakers or wall-mount or tabletop stand, but you will save a couple grand when compared with the retail version that includes all that except wall mount. Another neat thing about the Dell one is that you can set your picture preferences (color, tint, etc) for each input seprately. You may need some connector adaptors for some inputs, but you can get them at Radio Shack for a couple of bucks.

bachviet · 10-28-2003, 10:45 AM

There is no HDTV 42" plasma under $5K.

Apex · 10-28-2003, 01:31 PM

There are no HDTV plasmas under 46" period.

nomad_spirit · 10-29-2003, 05:23 PM

I believe this is the best deal for the money out there right now. Panasonic makes a better product than Sampo/Gateway or Planar, that is for sure.

I can't tell if it has a tuner though.

Has anyone bought this?

And..what about their warrenty?

Apex · 10-29-2003, 05:46 PM

I bought one, but it hasn't gotten here yet.

It doesn't have a tuner. Use your VCR.

All of the info is here:

http://www.panasonic.com/PBDS/subcat...-42pwd6uy.html

johnnymk · 10-30-2003, 12:05 PM

I could have sworn that I saw a 42" Philips Plasma HDTV at BestBUy.

nomad_spirit · 10-30-2003, 05:14 PM

I was going to buy it tonight and now it is gone.

I hope Dell reposts this item soon.

Apex · 10-30-2003, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnnymk
I could have sworn that I saw a 42" Philips Plasma HDTV at BestBUy.

You probably did see a 42" philips labeled as a HDTV. They lied. It's very common for them to do this.

johnnymk · 10-30-2003, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Apex

You probably did see a 42" philips labeled as a HDTV. They lied. It's very common for them to do this.

That's not good

Apex · 10-30-2003, 07:13 PM

I'm guessing it was a panel like this:

Philips 42FD9954

That's their top of the line 42" plasma.

It's an ALiS unit, which means it's a 1024x1024 native resolution INTERLACED display. Yeah, interlaced... like those ancient monitors back in the late 80's. The progressive equivalent would be 1024x512.

HDTV calls for a minimum of 720p, the next lower step is EDTV (480p). 1080i is the next step up above 720p.

720p is 1280x720 in a progressive format.

What we have here is a disconnect. How does 1024x512 meet the minimum of 1280x720? Quite simply by lying and hoping the consumer doesn't understand specs.

leesnuts · 10-30-2003, 09:37 PM

If resolution is 852x480 and DVD is 720x480, will it just stretch the picture form 720 to 852 or will there be black sides? Some type of scaling going on here? Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question.

I too missed out on this one, I should have bought this yesterday.

Lee

Apex · 10-30-2003, 09:53 PM

DVD's native resolution is 720x480, you are correct. However, there's 1 other thing that has to be taken into account. DVD's have a natively 16:9 format. What that means is the pixels are non-square.

So, when you display DVD's on a square pixel display, you have to multiply it out:

480 x 16 / 9 = 853

Thus, the 852x480 is perfect for this.

johnnymk · 10-31-2003, 06:44 AM

I haven't checked recently, but that Philips TV at BestBuy was $6200 and it definitely had a better picture than the Gateway...WAy better!

raimin · 10-31-2003, 11:46 AM

yes it's better than the lowest of the line, but is not as good as true HD with resolution at 1366 x 768..BTW, my best friend bought the panny TH-50PHD6UY, and received it on my birthday...he had to show me up...he got it for 5895.00 plus shipping

http://www.panasonic.com/PBDS/subcat...-50phd6uy.html

raimin · 10-31-2003, 11:56 AM

question for apex, just wondering difference between the TH-42PA20U/P which is panasonic consumer and the one you bought, TH-42PWD6UY which is panasonic broadcast and professional video?

besides the speakers and tuner on the 42PA, is their any other difference in the screen?

raimin · 10-31-2003, 12:23 PM

nevermind, i found on avsforum, for those who are interested, very good plasma faq

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=277308

TH-42PA20U/P x TH-42PWD6UY

FCC CLASS : Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulates the levels
of electromagnetic emissions from a device. Electromagnetic emissions can
interfere with radio and television transmission.

TH-42PA20U/P = Class B - More protection against EMI*
TH-42PWD6UY = Class A - A bit less protection but fine for home use.

*EMI - Electromagnetic Interference

FINISH:

TH-42PA20U/P = Silver Bezel
TH-42PWD6UY = Dark Gray Finish

TUNER - CLOSED CAPTIONING - SPEAKERS BUILT-IN - :

TH-42PA20U/P = Yes
TH-42PWD6UY = No (Optional Speakers Available)

ADVANCED PICTURE SETTINGS : Enables additional picture adjustments like:
Black extension, white balance for red and blue areas, gamma.

TH-42PA20U/P = No
TH-42PWD6UY = Yes

PICTURE QUALITY :

Should be similar on both models. The edge goes to the TH-42PWD6UY because of the
"Advanced Picture Settings". Fine adjustments can be made to black and white levels.

720P NATIVE :

TH-42PA20U/P = No
TH-42PWD6UY = Yes

PICTURE ADJUSTMENTS MEMORY FOR EACH INPUT :

TH-42PA20U/P = No (Some are still possible- needs more info)
TH-42PWD6UY = Yes

PICTURE SIZE/POSITION CONTROLS : You can increase/decrease the size of the picture.
Also you can move the picture position to left or right.

TH-42PA20U/P = No
TH-42PWD6UY = Yes

9-POINT DIGITAL ZOOM :Use this function to select one portion of
an image (from nine points on the screen), enlarge it to two or three times
normal size, and display it on the full screen.

TH-42PA20U/P = No
TH-42PWD6UY = Yes

SCREEN SAVERS :

TH-42PA20U/P = No
TH-42PWD6UY = Yes

***More Info needed on how it works on the new Commercial.
On current Panasonic Plasmas the Screen Saver has to be set manually.
So it's not a useful feature IMO.

WARRANTY : One Year Parts & Labor

TH-42PA20U/P = In-Home (Technicians come to you house)
TH-42PWD6UY = Carry-in (Must take/ship* the display to the service center)

*Shipping is at the owner's expense - Panasonic will pay for the way back

UPGRADABLE :

TH-42PA20U/P = No
TH-42PWD6UY = Yes ( Thru Multi-Function slots )

INPUT CONNECTORS :

TH-42PA20U/P = RCA Connectors
TH-42PWD6UY = BNC Type Connectors

*Radio Shack sells BNC/RCA Adapters

A/V INPUTS :

TH-42PA20U/P =

(3) S-Video/Composite (1 Front - 2 rear)
(2) Component
(1) DVI-HDCP

Here's an illustration showing the inputs: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/atta...&postid=2434647

TH-42PWD6UY =

(1) Free Slot - Possible to add optional cards. See list below.
(1) S-Video/Composite*
(1) Component / RGB
(1) Component / VGA - The DB-15 input can be configurated to accept Component.

* The S-Video/Composite inputs on Panasonic Plasmas are shared. You have to use either one.
With both cables connected S-Video disables Composite

Top photo - Showing the standard supplied terminal on slot 2 & 3 and the slot 1 which comes empty
Middle photo - Showing all 3 slots free.
Bottom photo - From the 37" display that comes with 2 slots only

There are limitations on where the optional cards can be placed.
Here's the list :

TY-42TM6D - DVI/HDCP ...................... Insertable in slot 1 or 2
TY-42TM6A - BNC Component Video ..... Insertable in slot 1, 2, or 3
TY-42TM6Z - RCA Component Video ..... Insertable in slot 1, 2, or 3
TY-42TM6B - BNC Composite Video ...... Insertable in slot 1 or 2
TY-42TM6V - RCA Composite Video ...... Insertable in slot 1 or 2
TY-42TM6P - PC Input ....................... Insertable in slot 1, 2, or 3
TY-42TM6G - RGB Active Through ........ Insertable in slot 1 & 2

* Please note that 2 DVI inputs can be used , however S-Video won't be possible because both cards can be insertable on slot 1 & 2 only.

STAND :

TH-42PA20U/P = Yes
TH-42PWD6UY = No (Optional Stand Available)

DISPLAY DIMENSIONS :

TH-42PA20U/P = 46.0'' w x 25.9'' h x 3.9'' d (28" h with the stand)
TH-42PWD6UY = 40.2" w x 24.0" h x 3.5" d (26.5" h with the stand)

Apex · 11-01-2003, 02:22 AM

Very good summary.

One thing to note, if you're a tweaker, the TH-42PWD6UY does give you more options, and a better picture quality because of it.

johnnymk · 11-12-2003, 07:48 AM

I was at BestBuy last night just casually gazing at the big selection of large screen TV's. The Philips 42" Plasma is down from $6200 last winter to $4999.

I looked at the specs and it does jive with Apex's numbers. But when I look at the other TV's, the picture is far superior to EDTV units. There is just no comparison to it's quality. Still too expensive, though.

nomad_spirit · 11-12-2003, 10:45 PM

10-27-2003, 03:48 PM	#1
johnnymk Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: May 2000 Location: LEVITTOWN< PA> USA Posts: 13,621	42" Dell Plasma TV in today's deal page. Is it EDTV or HDTV?

10-27-2003, 03:58 PM	#2
coleslaw Arrrhh! Join Date: May 2000 Location: LI NY Posts: 6,807	852x480 EDTV resolution. __________________ A priest, a paladin and Varimathras walk into a bar...

10-28-2003, 01:40 AM	#4
zippyjuan Picture of the Day Guru Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 8,756	ED TV is the perfect resolution for DVDs and it will also give you a better picture with standard (cable, sattelite, broadcast) signals than an HD set will. HD signals will not quite be as good as a true HD set, but at normal viewing distances you probably won't notice. I don't think the Dell Panasonic includes any tuner or speakers or wall-mount or tabletop stand, but you will save a couple grand when compared with the retail version that includes all that except wall mount. Another neat thing about the Dell one is that you can set your picture preferences (color, tint, etc) for each input seprately. You may need some connector adaptors for some inputs, but you can get them at Radio Shack for a couple of bucks. __________________ I add new pictures to my photo gallery pretty regularly. You can see them here if you are interested: http://www.pbase.com/jeffryz

10-28-2003, 10:45 AM	#5
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10-28-2003, 01:31 PM	#6
Apex Can you hear me now? Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Here Posts: 5,506	There are no HDTV plasmas under 46" period. __________________ The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge. Daniel J. Boorstin (1914 - )

10-27-2003, 05:06 PM	#3
johnnymk Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: May 2000 Location: LEVITTOWN< PA> USA Posts: 13,621	Thanks, that's what I figured.

10-29-2003, 05:23 PM	#7
nomad_spirit Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Golden State Posts: 115	I'm very close to getting this. I believe this is the best deal for the money out there right now. Panasonic makes a better product than Sampo/Gateway or Planar, that is for sure. I can't tell if it has a tuner though. Has anyone bought this? And..what about their warrenty?

10-29-2003, 05:46 PM	#8
Apex Can you hear me now? Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Here Posts: 5,506	I bought one, but it hasn't gotten here yet. It doesn't have a tuner. Use your VCR. All of the info is here: http://www.panasonic.com/PBDS/subcat...-42pwd6uy.html

10-30-2003, 12:05 PM	#9
johnnymk Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: May 2000 Location: LEVITTOWN< PA> USA Posts: 13,621	I could have sworn that I saw a 42" Philips Plasma HDTV at BestBUy.

10-30-2003, 05:14 PM	#10
nomad_spirit Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Golden State Posts: 115	Ahhh..it is gone... I was going to buy it tonight and now it is gone. I hope Dell reposts this item soon.

10-30-2003, 07:13 PM	#13
Apex Can you hear me now? Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Here Posts: 5,506	I'm guessing it was a panel like this: Philips 42FD9954 That's their top of the line 42" plasma. It's an ALiS unit, which means it's a 1024x1024 native resolution INTERLACED display. Yeah, interlaced... like those ancient monitors back in the late 80's. The progressive equivalent would be 1024x512. HDTV calls for a minimum of 720p, the next lower step is EDTV (480p). 1080i is the next step up above 720p. 720p is 1280x720 in a progressive format. What we have here is a disconnect. How does 1024x512 meet the minimum of 1280x720? Quite simply by lying and hoping the consumer doesn't understand specs.

10-30-2003, 09:37 PM	#14
leesnuts Ensign Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 43	If resolution is 852x480 and DVD is 720x480, will it just stretch the picture form 720 to 852 or will there be black sides? Some type of scaling going on here? Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question. I too missed out on this one, I should have bought this yesterday. Lee

10-30-2003, 09:53 PM	#15
Apex Can you hear me now? Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Here Posts: 5,506	DVD's native resolution is 720x480, you are correct. However, there's 1 other thing that has to be taken into account. DVD's have a natively 16:9 format. What that means is the pixels are non-square. So, when you display DVD's on a square pixel display, you have to multiply it out: 480 x 16 / 9 = 853 Thus, the 852x480 is perfect for this.

10-31-2003, 06:44 AM	#16
johnnymk Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: May 2000 Location: LEVITTOWN< PA> USA Posts: 13,621	I haven't checked recently, but that Philips TV at BestBuy was $6200 and it definitely had a better picture than the Gateway...WAy better!

10-31-2003, 11:46 AM	#17
raimin Captain Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: san francisco Posts: 1,627	yes it's better than the lowest of the line, but is not as good as true HD with resolution at 1366 x 768..BTW, my best friend bought the panny TH-50PHD6UY, and received it on my birthday...he had to show me up...he got it for 5895.00 plus shipping http://www.panasonic.com/PBDS/subcat...-50phd6uy.html

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10-31-2003, 11:56 AM	#18
raimin Captain Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: san francisco Posts: 1,627	question for apex, just wondering difference between the TH-42PA20U/P which is panasonic consumer and the one you bought, TH-42PWD6UY which is panasonic broadcast and professional video? besides the speakers and tuner on the 42PA, is their any other difference in the screen?

10-31-2003, 12:23 PM	#19
raimin Captain Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: san francisco Posts: 1,627	nevermind, i found on avsforum, for those who are interested, very good plasma faq http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=277308 TH-42PA20U/P x TH-42PWD6UY FCC CLASS : Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulates the levels of electromagnetic emissions from a device. Electromagnetic emissions can interfere with radio and television transmission. TH-42PA20U/P = Class B - More protection against EMI* TH-42PWD6UY = Class A - A bit less protection but fine for home use. EMI - Electromagnetic Interference FINISH: TH-42PA20U/P = Silver Bezel TH-42PWD6UY = Dark Gray Finish TUNER - CLOSED CAPTIONING - SPEAKERS BUILT-IN - : TH-42PA20U/P = Yes TH-42PWD6UY = No (Optional Speakers Available) ADVANCED PICTURE SETTINGS : Enables additional picture adjustments like: Black extension, white balance for red and blue areas, gamma. TH-42PA20U/P = No TH-42PWD6UY = Yes PICTURE QUALITY : Should be similar on both models. The edge goes to the TH-42PWD6UY because of the "Advanced Picture Settings". Fine adjustments can be made to black and white levels. 720P NATIVE : TH-42PA20U/P = No TH-42PWD6UY = Yes PICTURE ADJUSTMENTS MEMORY FOR EACH INPUT : TH-42PA20U/P = No (Some are still possible- needs more info) TH-42PWD6UY = Yes PICTURE SIZE/POSITION CONTROLS : You can increase/decrease the size of the picture. Also you can move the picture position to left or right. TH-42PA20U/P = No TH-42PWD6UY = Yes 9-POINT DIGITAL ZOOM :Use this function to select one portion of an image (from nine points on the screen), enlarge it to two or three times normal size, and display it on the full screen. TH-42PA20U/P = No TH-42PWD6UY = Yes SCREEN SAVERS : TH-42PA20U/P = No TH-42PWD6UY = Yes *More Info needed on how it works on the new Commercial. On current Panasonic Plasmas the Screen Saver has to be set manually. So it's not a useful feature IMO. WARRANTY : One Year Parts & Labor TH-42PA20U/P = In-Home (Technicians come to you house) TH-42PWD6UY = Carry-in (Must take/ship the display to the service center) Shipping is at the owner's expense - Panasonic will pay for the way back UPGRADABLE : TH-42PA20U/P = No TH-42PWD6UY = Yes ( Thru Multi-Function slots ) INPUT CONNECTORS : TH-42PA20U/P = RCA Connectors TH-42PWD6UY = BNC Type Connectors Radio Shack sells BNC/RCA Adapters A/V INPUTS : TH-42PA20U/P = (3) S-Video/Composite (1 Front - 2 rear) (2) Component (1) DVI-HDCP Here's an illustration showing the inputs: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/atta...&postid=2434647 TH-42PWD6UY = (1) Free Slot - Possible to add optional cards. See list below. (1) S-Video/Composite* (1) Component / RGB (1) Component / VGA - The DB-15 input can be configurated to accept Component. * The S-Video/Composite inputs on Panasonic Plasmas are shared. You have to use either one. With both cables connected S-Video disables Composite Top photo - Showing the standard supplied terminal on slot 2 & 3 and the slot 1 which comes empty Middle photo - Showing all 3 slots free. Bottom photo - From the 37" display that comes with 2 slots only There are limitations on where the optional cards can be placed. Here's the list : TY-42TM6D - DVI/HDCP ...................... Insertable in slot 1 or 2 TY-42TM6A - BNC Component Video ..... Insertable in slot 1, 2, or 3 TY-42TM6Z - RCA Component Video ..... Insertable in slot 1, 2, or 3 TY-42TM6B - BNC Composite Video ...... Insertable in slot 1 or 2 TY-42TM6V - RCA Composite Video ...... Insertable in slot 1 or 2 TY-42TM6P - PC Input ....................... Insertable in slot 1, 2, or 3 TY-42TM6G - RGB Active Through ........ Insertable in slot 1 & 2 * Please note that 2 DVI inputs can be used , however S-Video won't be possible because both cards can be insertable on slot 1 & 2 only. STAND : TH-42PA20U/P = Yes TH-42PWD6UY = No (Optional Stand Available) DISPLAY DIMENSIONS : TH-42PA20U/P = 46.0'' w x 25.9'' h x 3.9'' d (28" h with the stand) TH-42PWD6UY = 40.2" w x 24.0" h x 3.5" d (26.5" h with the stand)

11-01-2003, 02:22 AM	#20
Apex Can you hear me now? Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Here Posts: 5,506	Very good summary. One thing to note, if you're a tweaker, the TH-42PWD6UY does give you more options, and a better picture quality because of it.

11-12-2003, 07:48 AM	#21
johnnymk Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: May 2000 Location: LEVITTOWN< PA> USA Posts: 13,621	I was at BestBuy last night just casually gazing at the big selection of large screen TV's. The Philips 42" Plasma is down from $6200 last winter to $4999. I looked at the specs and it does jive with Apex's numbers. But when I look at the other TV's, the picture is far superior to EDTV units. There is just no comparison to it's quality. Still too expensive, though.

11-12-2003, 10:45 PM	#22
nomad_spirit Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Golden State Posts: 115	so what is the best deal on the 42 panny? ?

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