HDTV (DLP) Recommendation

ski · 11-25-2004, 12:47 PM

Panasonic 50" DLP

Review

At $2300 (sale until Sunday), should I pull the trigger on this?

It's been comparable to the Toshiba's... basically, will there be a better deal on a 46"-50" DLP by the end of the year? I know the Toshiba and Samsung are popular, but this seems like it's on par spec-wise with them. What do you think?

psycho- · 11-25-2004, 01:04 PM

I got the LCD version of this TV. I LOVE IT

This one:

http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_20031.htm

ski · 11-25-2004, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psycho-

I got the LCD version of this TV. I LOVE IT

This one:

http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_20031.htm

That one's only $500 more... would it be worth it to go LCD over DLP? I've been reading that the only difference is that the DLP has a projection affect on colors.

EDIT: I didn't see that it was LCD projection... I thought it was a true LCD monitor

Still... recommendations?

psycho- · 11-25-2004, 01:46 PM

The one i have and that one is only different in projection type. It's LCD projection vs. DLP projection. The quality difference isn't that much.

I think the DLP monitor is good. You should get it

ski · 11-25-2004, 02:24 PM

Cool -- we're going to buy it tomorrow or Saturday, but I'll keep checking -- speak now or forever hold your peace if you think this DLP TV is not "the one" !

LegendKiller · 11-25-2004, 02:45 PM

I would definitely recommend the Toshiba 52HM84 52" DLP. BB has it for ~2790 now and with the BB rewards you can get ~90 in certs for 9.99 cost. I have it and am watching Turkey football on it right now, 8 people at my house thinks its awesome.

The LCD tv's from Panny, Sorny doesn't have as good visual quality as the DLP sets.

LK

psycho- · 11-25-2004, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendKiller

The LCD tv's from Panny, Sorny doesn't have as good visual quality as the DLP sets.

LK

I actually cross shopped before I settled on the Panasonic LCD RPTV, and i beg to differ.

LegendKiller · 11-25-2004, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psycho-

I actually cross shopped before I settled on the Panasonic LCD RPTV, and i beg to differ.

That goes against many of the people around the net. DLP was suggested to me by a person that probably has forgotten more about HT stuff than I will ever know, I'd definitely trust him.

LK

psycho- · 11-25-2004, 03:41 PM

Many people around the net know jack squat. Think about this:

If you compare front projectors (for presentations, home theater), can you visabily tell the difference between a LCD one and a DLP one? Are all the best ones DLP, or is it mixed between LCD and DLP?

These RPTVs are using the same technology...DLP, LCD...in the same fashion that the front projectors are.

LegendKiller · 11-25-2004, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psycho-

Many people around the net know jack squat. Think about this:

If you compare front projectors (for presentations, home theater), can you visabily tell the difference between a LCD one and a DLP one? Are all the best ones DLP, or is it mixed between LCD and DLP?

These RPTVs are using the same technology...DLP, LCD...in the same fashion that the front projectors are.

Depends, do they use the HD3 or HD2+. Are they a good manufacturer or crap? Is the source set up correctly or is it crap?

All of those things considered, DLP is a superior technology with better IQ as a whole. I'd go check out www.avsforums.com to get some general impressions.

LK

ski · 11-25-2004, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendKiller

I would definitely recommend the Toshiba 52HM84 52" DLP. BB has it for ~2790 now and with the BB rewards you can get ~90 in certs for 9.99 cost.
LK

I think the 10% was last week... it's $3000 now

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....5&type=product

Then subtract $90 (or $100 since it's more) and add $10 to join the rewards, so at least for this week it's going to be around $3100 with tax... hmm

LegendKiller · 11-26-2004, 08:10 AM

I'd wait till there's a sale again, I am sure there will be within the next month. Its an awesome TV, I love it!

LK

ski · 11-26-2004, 06:03 PM

We settled on a Sony 50" LCD RPTV. As much as I don't like Sony's essence in general, it had a great picture for the price. I don't like the idea of needing a fan to cool a bulb for the DLP, and the new bulbs from Sony are only $199. It's going to be $2700 at Best Buy soon (so they said). Thanks for the help everyone!

Apex · 11-27-2004, 04:19 PM

Sony uses a fan as well. All digital rear projection TV's use fans.

Toshiba 52HM84 for $2299.94 plus $119 shipping from Amazon

Toshiba 52HM84 for $2299.99 plus $114.10 shipping from JandR

ski · 11-27-2004, 04:44 PM

Thanks for the links Apex

Now after reading about each technology I still think we're going to go with LCD projection. I personally wouldn't go for the Sony, but hey, I'm not the one spending the money, I'm just the advisor

I would consider those Toshiba's for a TV for myself when I get a job, because that $500 difference between DLP and LCD is enough to make me save some $$.

bachviet · 11-27-2004, 05:18 PM

I would love to have that Panasonic in my bedroom.

Apex · 11-27-2004, 06:15 PM

Each technology does have its strengths and weaknesses. In general, for HT use, DLP's will be superior for most people. The real world contrast is several times better for DLP's than LCD's. This also translates to far better shadow detail and black levels, very important characteristics to look for for home theater use. DLP's also have a higher fill ratio (85-88% compared to 40-60%), giving you a smoother picture.

On the flip side, you have no rainbows with the LCD set.

cheapie · 11-27-2004, 07:13 PM

that panny says hd ready. that mean you have to buy a hd tuner seperately?

ski · 11-27-2004, 07:24 PM

The Panny has an HDMI tuner built in if I'm not mistaken.

IrishSS · 11-27-2004, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apex

Each technology does have its strengths and weaknesses. In general, for HT use, DLP's will be superior for most people. The real world contrast is several times better for DLP's than LCD's. This also translates to far better shadow detail and black levels, very important characteristics to look for for home theater use. DLP's also have a higher fill ratio (85-88% compared to 40-60%), giving you a smoother picture.

On the flip side, you have no rainbows with the LCD set.

Couldnt agree more... and, with DLP, no dead pixels... ever. As for the rainbow issue, I see it and it does not bother me one bit. Some people cant stand it, some people cant see it. I see it and could truly care less. I dont see it that often either...

ski · 11-27-2004, 09:04 PM

I'm just grateful to know that the 19 year old at Circuit City who was explaining the different techonologies to my dad and I was informed/geeked enough to know all of this -- he said that the real difference between the DLP and LCD projection TV's was the "rainbow" effect. It was actually clear to see when side by side, but the thing is, if you get DLP you won't have an LCD right next to it to compare it to... but ain't my money!

Apex · 11-28-2004, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheapie

that panny says hd ready. that mean you have to buy a hd tuner seperately?

Correct.

ski · 11-29-2004, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apex

Sony uses a fan as well. All digital rear projection TV's use fans.

Toshiba 52HM84 for $2299.94 plus $119 shipping from Amazon

Toshiba 52HM84 for $2299.99 plus $114.10 shipping from JandR

Mods -- please remove the referral links from this user's post

gear02 · 11-29-2004, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ski

Mods -- please remove the referral links from this user's post

only if you remove all your congas from the boards

ski · 11-29-2004, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gear02

only if you remove all your congas from the boards

Hey man, guess what forum those are in? That's right, MLM. You don't see me posting referral links in these other forums. And aside from that, everyone picks on me... DeltaForce is the guy that owns 80% of the conga lines! WTF mate!

cheapie · 11-29-2004, 09:55 PM

australia's like...wtf mate? hahaha...nice reference. and i don't think gear is serious. we're all a bit conga'd out. but you have a right to do what you're doing. and you are absolutely doing it in the correct forum. but all of the nOObz coming here and starting conga threads is fairly annoying. you're cool tho'. =)

ski · 12-12-2004, 12:10 PM

We ended up getting the Sony 55" LCD RPTV:

http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_24804.htm

He got 12% off at Best Buy somehow, and $100 in GC's... don't ask me how!

11-25-2004, 12:47 PM	#1
ski Admiral Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Utah Posts: 5,420	HDTV (DLP) Recommendation Panasonic 50" DLP Review At $2300 (sale until Sunday), should I pull the trigger on this? It's been comparable to the Toshiba's... basically, will there be a better deal on a 46"-50" DLP by the end of the year? I know the Toshiba and Samsung are popular, but this seems like it's on par spec-wise with them. What do you think? __________________ And closer...

11-25-2004, 01:04 PM	#2
psycho- Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Del Mar, CA Posts: 2,261	I got the LCD version of this TV. I LOVE IT This one: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_20031.htm __________________ Victor

11-27-2004, 04:19 PM	#14
Apex Can you hear me now? Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Here Posts: 5,506	Sony uses a fan as well. All digital rear projection TV's use fans. Toshiba 52HM84 for $2299.94 plus $119 shipping from Amazon Toshiba 52HM84 for $2299.99 plus $114.10 shipping from JandR __________________ The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge. Daniel J. Boorstin (1914 - )

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11-25-2004, 01:46 PM	#4
psycho- Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Del Mar, CA Posts: 2,261	The one i have and that one is only different in projection type. It's LCD projection vs. DLP projection. The quality difference isn't that much. I think the DLP monitor is good. You should get it

11-25-2004, 02:24 PM	#5
ski Admiral Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Utah Posts: 5,420	Cool -- we're going to buy it tomorrow or Saturday, but I'll keep checking -- speak now or forever hold your peace if you think this DLP TV is not "the one" !

11-25-2004, 02:45 PM	#6
LegendKiller Vice Admiral Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,927	I would definitely recommend the Toshiba 52HM84 52" DLP. BB has it for ~2790 now and with the BB rewards you can get ~90 in certs for 9.99 cost. I have it and am watching Turkey football on it right now, 8 people at my house thinks its awesome. The LCD tv's from Panny, Sorny doesn't have as good visual quality as the DLP sets. LK

11-25-2004, 03:41 PM	#9
psycho- Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Del Mar, CA Posts: 2,261	Many people around the net know jack squat. Think about this: If you compare front projectors (for presentations, home theater), can you visabily tell the difference between a LCD one and a DLP one? Are all the best ones DLP, or is it mixed between LCD and DLP? These RPTVs are using the same technology...DLP, LCD...in the same fashion that the front projectors are.

11-26-2004, 08:10 AM	#12
LegendKiller Vice Admiral Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,927	I'd wait till there's a sale again, I am sure there will be within the next month. Its an awesome TV, I love it! LK

11-26-2004, 06:03 PM	#13
ski Admiral Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Utah Posts: 5,420	We settled on a Sony 50" LCD RPTV. As much as I don't like Sony's essence in general, it had a great picture for the price. I don't like the idea of needing a fan to cool a bulb for the DLP, and the new bulbs from Sony are only $199. It's going to be $2700 at Best Buy soon (so they said). Thanks for the help everyone!

11-27-2004, 04:44 PM	#15
ski Admiral Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Utah Posts: 5,420	Thanks for the links Apex Now after reading about each technology I still think we're going to go with LCD projection. I personally wouldn't go for the Sony, but hey, I'm not the one spending the money, I'm just the advisor I would consider those Toshiba's for a TV for myself when I get a job, because that $500 difference between DLP and LCD is enough to make me save some $$.

11-27-2004, 06:15 PM	#17
Apex Can you hear me now? Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Here Posts: 5,506	Each technology does have its strengths and weaknesses. In general, for HT use, DLP's will be superior for most people. The real world contrast is several times better for DLP's than LCD's. This also translates to far better shadow detail and black levels, very important characteristics to look for for home theater use. DLP's also have a higher fill ratio (85-88% compared to 40-60%), giving you a smoother picture. On the flip side, you have no rainbows with the LCD set.

11-27-2004, 07:13 PM	#18
cheapie Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: raising my pimp hand strong Posts: 13,038	that panny says hd ready. that mean you have to buy a hd tuner seperately?

11-27-2004, 07:24 PM	#19
ski Admiral Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Utah Posts: 5,420	The Panny has an HDMI tuner built in if I'm not mistaken.

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11-27-2004, 09:04 PM	#21
ski Admiral Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Utah Posts: 5,420	I'm just grateful to know that the 19 year old at Circuit City who was explaining the different techonologies to my dad and I was informed/geeked enough to know all of this -- he said that the real difference between the DLP and LCD projection TV's was the "rainbow" effect. It was actually clear to see when side by side, but the thing is, if you get DLP you won't have an LCD right next to it to compare it to... but ain't my money!

11-29-2004, 09:55 PM	#26
cheapie Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: raising my pimp hand strong Posts: 13,038	australia's like...wtf mate? hahaha...nice reference. and i don't think gear is serious. we're all a bit conga'd out. but you have a right to do what you're doing. and you are absolutely doing it in the correct forum. but all of the nOObz coming here and starting conga threads is fairly annoying. you're cool tho'. =)

12-12-2004, 12:10 PM	#27
ski Admiral Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Utah Posts: 5,420	We ended up getting the Sony 55" LCD RPTV: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_24804.htm He got 12% off at Best Buy somehow, and $100 in GC's... don't ask me how!