nickel

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...300569,00.html

Is this believable?

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Maarchk

Sounds amazing. I hope it works and is good for the world. Then we'd really look like big donkeys when we start a war with a country helping fight AIDS.

the only other thought i had when reading this was that the "drug to help contain the AIDS epidemic" was going to be take all aids bearing people into a room and shoot them. Thus it was contained. I know thats wrong and a very low opinion of Iran but i wasn't sure where this was leading. And i know that they are attempting some regressive reforms like removing all liberal educators from the country. So its strange that they pull this very progressive issue out of their pocket.

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No. I believe little to none of what comes out of that state.

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Thesifer

"Iran has developed a method of AIDs containment. They call it a 'Nuclear Weapon' all you have to do is drop one onto a large population of infected people, and within 4-6 weeks it should be pretty well contained."

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Kevster

The next thing they'll say is that they have a cure for cancer. They have little, if any credibility.

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hapoo

How about this, if this turns out to be true, all of the people that don't believe don't have a chance to use it... ever.
1. What the hell does AIDS research have to do with the recent nuclear technology debates?
2. Scientific papers being published by Iranian institutions have been increasing very rapidly in the past decade and Iran is doing cutting edge research in many fields.
3. Unlike some ass backwards countries, Iran doesn't have problems holding it back from scientific advancement. (like 39% people denying evolution just for example)


from wikipedia:



On top of all this, I can tell you that Stanford, and many other top universities in america pay to get there hands on Iranian students on a regular basis.

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p3rsian

exactlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

nickel

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i say hello

Airencracken

No the President just wants to purge the country of liberal and secular teachers. That's all.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...609060352/1009

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Markel

Sounds like a real utopia over there (until you read some of the other sections on that same Wikipedia page).

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hapoo

you wanna know the really funny part... until i clicked on the link, i thought it was about bush. I **** you not!




Since when have you known what its like to live somewhere by reading about it? I'm sure everyone thinks america is a utopia until someone comes and lives here and gets their life turned upside down because the government illegally wiretapped them, held them illegally on no charges and sent them off to gitmo just cause their last name sounded too "terroristy". Lets face it, everyplace has its ups and downs. Stop pointing fingers without dealing with your own countries problems first.
Now for once Iran has some good promissing news, and this is the reaction it gets. For gods sake you guys wont even take the good with the bad.

Markel

Hapoo, you used the wikipedia page so that we could read all about the "scientific advances" being made by Iran. You expect us to "know what it is like somewhere by reading about it" with regard to such. Well, on that page there is good and bad to be read.

I sincerely hope that the news of an Aids cure is true. However, Iran's recent track record of "thumbing their nose" at the IAEA and threatening the development of nuclear weapons is an issue that has far more than the United States concerned. The attitude toward the international community is what draws some to doubt the sincerity of this claim (i.e., it arouses suspicion that they might be trying to divert attention from the nuclear arms issues).

ray

I don't doubt that there are plenty of countries worldwide that are working on developing new drugs for AIDS. However, I would love for representatives from the FDA or PDA to go over there and review the clinical testing and trials of presumed drug. If it is such a breakthrough drug, surely Iran will let them inspect further.

Before people jump to conclusions about the viability and success of this drug, just remember this story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/4554422.stm

hapoo

I really doubt anyones attention span is short enough to forget about the nuclear debates. Could you provide me with one article or quote in which Iran (not Bush & Co.) threatens to develop nuclear weapons? And you want a track record of "thumbing their nose" at the international community? What was that whole Iraq business about?

Airencracken

I wouldn't be surprised.


However, given the fundamentalist (even more than Mr. Bush...) nature of Iran's current government, and the overall fundamentalist nature of the region I would like to think that the USA is still a bit more progressive in that right.


C'mon now, we all know that isn't a completely valid argument.


Well, I think it's more skepticism at a breakthrough. Of course the current news about the nuclear program is going to affect opinions. You can't expect that not to happen. It wouldn't be the first less industrial nation to purport breakthroughs that end up being fake (if it's fake or real I have no idea). Hell, that sort of stuff happens here in the US all the time. How many breakthroughs have I heard about that have never/have yet to come to light. Meh, don't get too worked up about dude.


Hey no one said we're perfect, and that's a straw man argument dude. Yes the whole Iraq thing was against the international community, I don't think there are really that many Iraq war supporters here. I know I'm not one. Well, I don't have any sources saying that Iran is quoted to have said that they want to or will develop nukes (could be because I'm lazy) but they do have a history of harboring terror organizations and making threatening statements, not that big of a bridge to cross.

Markel

Take your pick (I can't guarantee that they are all not "Bush & Co.")

I am reluctant to pursue other discussions much further, as I believe it would cross far over the "political threshold".

hapoo

At no point have I read or heard anyone representing Iran to claim to want nuclear weapons. Everything I read has been from Bush & Co.

Bushs manipulation of the public is going to end up being a case study in psychology classes some day. Its amazing to me how that man can say anything he wants and repeatedly the public believes it. Even when he's been proved wrong in the past.

But like you say, off this topic.

Butch

Without a doubt, I hope it's true . . . but of course, a healthy dose of skepticism rules the day.

Iran clearly has talented scientists . . . it's not impossible that they found something spectacular . . . after all, great scientific discoveries always require a healthy dose of both skill and luck . . . perhaps they found the combination of luck and skill that has eluded us.

It's tough to believe, of course . . . but I would love to hear that it is an advance . . . and if it is, I hope Iran makes sure to share it with the world as a sign of good will.

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hapoo

In some areas yes and in some areas no. But yes, it is still a fundamentalist government.


I don't mean it as an arguement, but to observe at how quickly we point our fingers without even looking at ourselves. We're willing to go overseas and fight for what we're told is democracy in other countries and yet we choose to ignore so many problems we have right here at home.


I'm all for skepticism, and the last one to believe something coming out of a government agency (especially ours). But its one thing to be skeptic and another to make smart ass remarks about how the cure is a nuclear bomb to kill all those with aids.


All i'm saying is that even america goes against the international community. Hell the UN has turned into a joke. The only ones who actually do what is said are those who don't have the power to defend themselves. How many times have America and Israel alone ignored UN resolutions?

p3rsian

i think its only fair that iran and only a couple other countrys have this cure ... (hint .. nuclear weapons)

oh if others want it , they have to buy it from iran only ..
(russia should enrich uranium for iran)

we wont want america to have this cure, cuz maybe they can turn this cure into a more powerful virus and use it on iran or countrys or groups which iran supports like syria and hezbollah.
no no no we cant trust america , they have said many times they want to fight states which they consider "terrorists"
and we can not trust them with this.



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Thesifer

woohoo.. I started an entire debate! I now feel proud.

Airencracken

It's nice to know in your time away you didn't aquire a command of the english language.

Please have something to add next time.

p3rsian

its also nice to see you did nothing productive in your life and still come here everyday

Airencracken

Check yourself before you wreck yourself. In order to have seen this bloody topic you must have been lurking after you said "goodbye". Thus, you still come here.

Point, Airencracken.

InfiniteNothing

hey, that's not fair. Some of our most active posters post from work.

gwilks98

Hapoo, p3rsian, I can understand your feel for love of the country. But you have to understand that these people here trust Ahmadinejad as much as they trust Bush.

The development wasn't announced by a university press release to my knowledge. It was announced by one considered to be a politically scheming fanatic.

But then, there's information out there that mildly support the claim, predating the current nuclear woes:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05072/470052.stm


However, this story isn't really all over the news wire, which makes me skeptical of the claim.

I say let the WHO look at the matter and tell us all what to think.

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ray

I'm still waiting for any reputable organization to actually confirm this breakthrough. I agree with GWilks...I'll remain skeptical of this claim until somebody else actually corroborates the story.

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