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LYNCHBURG, Va. - The Rev. Jerry Falwell, who founded the Moral Majority and built the religious right into a political force, died Tuesday shortly after being found unconscious in his office at Liberty University, a school executive said. He was 73.

Ron Godwin, the university's executive vice president, said Falwell, 73, was found unresponsive around 10:45 a.m. and taken to Lynchburg General Hospital. "CPR efforts were unsuccessful," he said.

Godwin said he was not sure what caused the collapse, but he said Falwell "has a history of heart challenges."

"I had breakfast with him, and he was fine at breakfast," Godwin said. "He went to his office, I went to mine, and they found him unresponsive."

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clutchy

wow crazy.

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WhiskeyPapa

We all have to go sometime.

He may have come across as kind of a fool in the media sometimes, but he built a darn fine school and made a positive impact in many lives.

I'm pretty sure he'll be surprised to hear that God wasn't as fired up about the same topics as Ol' Jerry.

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Memo

Good riddance.

Airencracken

One less bigoted loud mouthed zealot.

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Markel

http://www.gotapex.com/1175659-post1.html

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Memo

Respect is earned. Simply dying doesn't change that.

Houdini

Name calling? C'mon guys. You're better than that. I didn't agree with everything he said, but point out with what you disagree, etc. Don't stoop to that kind of stuff.

The "moral majority" wasn't much bigger than a few thousand people at its heyday, and the "religious right" is still as undefined as 1/0.

Airencracken

Agreed. I don't see why people will call someone an ******* every day he's alive, but as soon as he croaks, he's the nicest guy on earth.

Either way, I'm not shedding any tears over his death and I don't feel the need to respect him in death any more than I did when he was alive. Both are 0.

yippiekiyeh

But because he's dead, no need to kick dirt, or insult someone that cannot defend themselves anymore. If you dislike them, that's fine. But the dude is dead, he ain't going to be hearing your hatred.

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eSDee

Yeah even though I didn't like the guy at all, he's dead now so he doesn't have to answer to me (not like he did when he was alive either). Hopefully he got some things right while on Earth and now he's in the place he considered heaven. As long as God isn't a (insert name of all the cultures he insulted) then he'll be alright.

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ShawnLee

God bless, ye good and faithful servant.

For as much as people hate him, I can fairly guarantee that the man has done far more good than anyone in this thread or forum will likely ever do. If you can't appreciate that, well, then that's all we have.
That's all that I can add here in what's otherwise become a cesspool of hate for a good man.

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johnnymk

Unfortunately, like many other preachers, he spoke things that were true but not very popular or politically correct in today's world. But then so did Jesus, the disciples, the early prophets and numerous others still living today.

Airencracken

Your definition of good != my definition of good




Your definition of truth != my definition of truth

Skidude

I am not a bible scholar but I never saw anywhere in the Bible that Jesus preached hate against other groups of people. When it came down to it he was all about forgiveness and acceptance. It took man to twist his word into darkness.

LPMiller

Which true thing? That blacks shouldn't be around whites? That true thing? Or the whole 9/11 is because of the gays? That true thing? Jesus would be big on those things, would he?

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Memo

He did it all with twisted intentions and to spread his bull****. It's like building an orphanage just so you can rape the children.

johnnymk

Yes, he did preach love and forgiveness. But on his terms.

He said that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. And if anyone comes to Him, he will in way cast out. But if he is rejected, his heavenly Father would reject him. So forgiveness by the Father is conditonal on whether a person accepts/rejects the Son.

If a person accepts Jesus as their sole payment for their sins, they will immediately have forgiveness and eternal life. If they reject the only means which God has presented to a dying world, they will have to stand before God on judgement day and pay for all of the sins they committed during their life.

Since it will be too late by then, they will not be forgiven and will face the consequeences: eternal death.

johnnymk

Are you sure he said those two things? If he did, that was incorrect.

I was never a big fan of Falwell. I never felt that he nor Billy Graham or Pat Robertson or many of the televangelists were representatives of my faith. I never elected them. I do admire TV preachers such as Charles Stanley and James Kennedy, though.

But when they say things like that, it definitely wins no friends to the non-Christian world. They really should think before they speak.

oblongmelon

I like Billy Graham..Falwell though..I think he's "falling well" if you ask me..
Didn't he patronize the prossies at one time?

Napoleon54

The who?

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LPMiller

Yes, he did those two things. He started his career as a man preaching the values of segregation. And yeah, he announced the same week as 9/11 that is was the fault of the gays, the feminists, and whomever else he didn't like.

I don't think most guys like that ever represent faith. They represent power. About the only tv preacher I ever had respect for was Billy Graham, because all he ever does is preach, he doesn't judge and condemn.

The Happy Squirrel

wow this got hot way to fast and just reading it now they is no way i can step nto the fray.

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ShawnLee

I question your familiarity with Billy Graham because the man is full of judgment and condemnation, but appropriately.

Markel

I think that many of the things that Jerry Falwell said were incorrect and/or inappropriate . In fact, when preachers get involved with politics, I find it inappropriate in most cases (even though there is much that they proclaim that I can agree with). I think that Christianity would be much better served if ones such as Falwell and Robertson (and others) stayed completely out of politics (and the wire services).

However, no matter how much I disagree with someone's viewpoint, it gives me no right to find pleasure in their death merely because I don't like what they say. I do have a sense of relief when a known enemy or mass-murdering criminal will no longer be a threat, but even then I can't say that I'm "delighted" by their death (neither is God, by the way).

As an aside, one reason that Billy Graham has been privileged with access to the White House for nearly every president in the past 50 years or so (I don't remember when he first got started) is because he intentionally remains non-political, as he feels that taking sides would hinder his ministry. (He once got a phone call: "Hello, Billy. This is Lyndon....") I think he has some real wisdom there.

Memo

Jerry Fallwell...

On Sept. 11: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way—all of them who have tried to secularize America—I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.' "

On AIDS: "AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals."

On homosexuality: "I believe that all of us are born heterosexual, physically created with a plumbing that's heterosexual, and created with the instincts and desires that are basically, fundamentally, heterosexual. But I believe that we have the ability to experiment in every direction. Experimentation can lead to habitual practice, and then to a lifestyle. But I don't believe anyone begins a homosexual."

On Martin Luther King Jr.: "I must personally say that I do question the sincerity and nonviolent intentions of some civil rights leaders such as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Mr. James Farmer, and others, who are known to have left-wing associations."

On Martin Luther King Jr., four decades later: "You know, I supported Martin Luther King Jr., who did practice civil disobedience."

On public education: "I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again, and Christians will be running them."

On the separation of church and state: "There is no separation of church and state."

On feminists: "I listen to feminists and all these radical gals. ... These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men; that's their problem."

On global warming: "I can tell you, our grandchildren will laugh at those who predicted global warming. We'll be in global cooling by then, if the Lord hasn't returned. I don't believe a moment of it. The whole thing is created to destroy America's free enterprise system and our economic stability."

On Bishop Desmond Tutu: "I think he's a phony, period, as far as representing the black people of South Africa."

On Islam: "I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough of the history of his life, written by both Muslims and non-Muslims, that he was a violent man, a man of war."

On Jews: "In my opinion, the Antichrist will be a counterfeit of the true Christ, which means that he will be male and Jewish, since Jesus was male and Jewish."

Rest in peace, you blowhard.

Link: http://www.slate.com/id/2166220?nav=tap3

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Also, I didn't see anyone say they took pleasure in his death.

mechmike0034

http://www.tmz.com/2007/05/15/jerry-falwell-1933-2007/

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Markel

It seems that some are dancing on his grave.

oblongmelon

Well I guess being raised with a bunch of old aunts who listened to Billy every time he was on TV got me kind of used to him. As far as the judgement and condemnation goes..well, he's not half as bad as some of the other evangelists. I truly believe though that of all of them-he really is the most spiritual/believeable/saying what needs to be said-not what people want to hear kind of guy. And even though I'm R.C. I can still dig some of what he says. Hey, if I had to pick a favorite though-look at my sig-that says who I really enjoyed! RIP JPII.
PS..Hey my kids are direct descendants of The great preacher-Jonathan Edwards, as a matter of fact, Mr. Melon is named after him, and he and the kids are the last in the line of one direct branch.(he is the kids Great Grandpa x8) Talk about Condemning and Judgemental. Read his speech "Sinners at the Hands of An Angry God"..fire and brimstone-going to hell in a handbasket-don't read it if you are afraid of the dark kind of speeches...Yikes!