ek5686

Can somebody give me a detailed instruction on how to setup a network using Windows 2000 Advanced Server and Windows 2000? I just got DSL and am having trouble configuring the DHCP for our workstations. The internet does work for the workstations, but the server is not assigning ip's to the workstations. The internet works because of our router that is setup. I want to set it up so that the server does assign ip's. Any help would be appreciated!!! Thanks

kimeh

Blu

Double post is bad.....bad like that dog that bites that guys jewels in Turner and Hooch. Or was that K-9?

Check my reply in the Hardware forum

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jarfykk

first, if your router is assigning IP's (internal ones 10.xxx.xxx.xxx) then you want to config your router to NOT assign ip's the the machine that you want win2k server to assign, then config win2k to act as the dhcp server. the issue MAY be the two devices (win2k box and router) both trying to assign ip's). try pulling the router off of the network, or turning its routing funcion off (so its a hub if it has one built-in).

now, the question you asked....let me begin with saying that it is a terrible question to ask here, especially the way its phrased.

"Can somebody give me a detailed instruction on how to setup a network using Windows 2000 Advanced Server and Windows 2000? "

Do you know how bad this sounds to those of use who read manuals, spend weeks learning and years practicing these skills, and have built at least part of our professional and/or personal lives on this? Its like asking a lawyer to tell you howto defend yourself in a muder one case.

One, its extremely rude (and unprofessional, and I'm assuming this is for a business since you refer to them as workstations, and are the extremely costly win2k advanced) to ask this in-depth of a question. I'm figuring this is your job, I would hope anyone admining this type of setup would be able to figure it out or ask his/her superior.

Two, if you're suing Win2K Advanced, you have access to oodles of goodies on the MSDN network, alot of which should get you going in no time.

Three, I love answering questions on nuances, bugs, and lotsa of doodads that i find on this board. I also don't mind basic walkthrough's on howto setup hardware, especially for newbies. But asking for "detailed instruction"....no.

Four, if you do ask this type of questions, some type of hardware description would be nice. I know a few things about your setup, 1)there is at least one server, 2) at least one router (hub, single, ??) 3) there are at least two workstations since you used the plural form (what OS, basic description). Some necessary info, besides the above, would be a)Static or dynamic IP on DSL, block of static to assign over router of internal IP's?? Double NIC in the 2k box, any weird services (IIS, etc.)

And hapoo, I love your idea, seriously.

jarfykk

Kimeh, one more thing. I don't mean to be seeming to come down on you or making fun or anything of the sort. I am just stating how your post makes me feel and why that is so. No flame wars, no yelling, just expression of feeling. Peace.

hapoo

I doubt its his job!! and secondly I ask stupid f*cking questions ALL THE TIME!!! thats the only way you can learn. Some manuals are so poorly writen that you can't get any information from them, and most times i dont have the manual

Linux is great for servers of all kind, but its a real real pain in the ass if you dont have experience with it.

Most times you can have all the resources in the world, but just talking with another person will make things so much easier. Not to leach knowledge because of laziness but to have something explained in normal english. And i'm sure we all know no matter how much you yell a question at a manual its not going to respond.

jarfykk

Hey, hapoo, I made a point not to call this a "stupid f*cking question" because it wasn't. He had a need for information, I understand and even empathize with it. What I am saying is that this broad of a question, asking one to synthesize years of experience into detailed instructions, I found to be rude.

Now, as per my post, the manual was simply one of many tools I've used in learning. I'v read countless newsgroups, howto's, faq's, knowledgebase articles, back of cereal boxes, and the like all in an effort to understand what I'm doing, not just simply know how.

I even made an effort to help Kimeh before I explained my point of view. No question ever asked is stupid (well mostly) but asking questions is not "the only way you can learn." And if you don't have the manual (more often than not in my experience) then they have this thing called the Internet. There's lots of stuff of in, we're even using it right now.

Again, I mean no offense here, I am explaining my own point of view in a calm and polite manner. Hapoo, thanks for the response.

hapoo

I know, I was just making a point that sometimes its difficult to figure stuff out by yourself using guides/faq/manuals. BTW I appreciate the disclaimer.

Jeffbx

One more question to add to the mix -

Why are you using W2K Advanced Server? You going to be running 8 processors?

marchk

YOu guys are tippin on nothing.

Give the guy a break. Maybe he's doing this for fun at home. And doesn't know where to start.

dev_null

Let me add my two cents

As a wise Linux guru once told me

Unix documentation is like sex
either it is really good or it is better than nothing.

When I started using Linux on my home machines 2 years ago I was totally intimidated by it, I could not even use the man pages. So I too asked a lot of "dumb questions" and read a lot of
newsgroups(your university, comp.anything, microsoft, linux),
magazines(maximum linux, open source, open),
books(red hat unleashed, anything o'reilly, network admin by S.Shaw, most of the Sam's books),
mailinglists(try microsoft, msdn, google should turn some up)
wasted the time of countless admins(including cvarner http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~cvarner/bookmarks.html),
and joined a Linux Users Group before getting to where I am
which is installing and maintaining machines from scratch. I can bring up an entire network from scratch and I don't mind answering questions because so many others did the same for me. I am only a college student and I am on a quest for knowlege as well as to help bring Linux to the people.

jarfykk is right though, the first step to solving a problem is to analyze what you have at your disposal.

Give some specs and we can give more info.

And the stuff above is stuff any admin should know and is not necessarily for windows or for linux people.

Dev

Any other questions, email me
jishak@hotmail.com

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da186

jarfykk: Ignore the thread if you don't like it. Pull your head out of your, um, manual and be nice. Your second post did nothing for peace. Try editing the first. Nobody told you that you HAD to pipe in with a completely insulting post that added no information for kimeh. Common courtesy, try it.

KIMEH: What is your domain setup? At least tell me that your computers are logging into the domain. Your workstations should all be able to hit the default gateway on the router even if they aren't set up for domain use, however your workstations (or should I use "node" jarfykk?) won't use DHCP if you aren't in a domain setup. More info please.

To check on DHCP from the win2k pro side, right click on My Network Places and select properties. Right click on your NIC and select properties again. Select TCP/IP and select properties. Should be set to select IP adress automatically. Hope this was helpful. A little info in the RIGHT way is nice to have when you need help. I can't wait for the day jarfykk's network gets f***ed up.

jarfykk

DA186, if my post was insulting to you then I'm sorry but I felt it provided valid and hopefully somewhat helpful advice. I've been monitoring this post hoping to kimeh to post again but alas, without more info I can't really give more help.

DA186, your little quips, while somewhat amusing, are not that well placed. And, as per your advice, "ignore the thread [or post] if you don't like it." Five years ago I would've said to "go **** yourself" but I've matured alot since then so. Instead I'll tell you a story.

Many a day has passed with my network, or one of the departments I manage, or one of various friends/family/etc., getting ****ed up. I don't even want to count the hours invested into maintaining well over a thousand (top of my head would be around twelve hundred -ish) but I've done alot with the time and acquired a decent skill set, so that when I post MY FEELINGS to a board and clearly spellout my intent so degenerates like yourself don't misunderstand I would appreciate some consideration.

While my advice may not all relate to kimeh's question (hec most of its my on feelings) its my opinion. I was not knocking him as person, wishing computer problems on him, telling him to pull his head of of his "manual" or anything of the like. What I was doing was explaining how I (and many colleagues) feel when asked questions like "How do I build a computer?", "Please give me detailed instructions for Win2k." and the more obvious "My computer is broken, why?". It is the broad and totally without information questions that are the hardest to handle. Thats why support tech's (not me anymore, mostly, thank god) ask these detailed questions like specification, network architecture, etc. And DA186, I don't want you to think I'm being abrasive here, I want you to understand that I am being abrasive here. Hopefully you can take whatever I'm saying and learn from it...if not, happy gaming!!

Signed,

Duckman, errr, Jarfykk

da186

And you wonder why he hasn't come back? Errr, manual comment again. All the experience in the world hasn't helped with the human relations department has it?

jarfykk

Actually, HR is one of better skills. Anything from customer relations to basic human contact, I enjoy.

However, in my career at a University, the departmental computing cooridinators I had to deal with were as ignorant as they came (no exaggeration here) and certain tactics were necessary to cope with both there incessant whining and there need to make themselves feel better. I never thought I'd need those skills again but, alas......here you are!!

duckman....errrr.....jarfykk

da186

Look, I really don't enjoy getting in any arguement with someone that claims to be everything in the world and shows no proof at all when it comes right down to it. I don't enjoy arguing, however I do hate insensitive pricks that trash other people and then hide behind their feelings as a shield (are you f***ing kidding me?). If you want to state your feelings join some therapy group or something. Here in this forum we at least should attempt to help someone. You apparently aren't able to do that (am I arguing with some 12 year old in Maine who just got his first iMac?) or just aren't willing. Since its one of those two I will just ignore your ass from now on, until maybe I see you actually post something worthwhile in a thread (and I am looking for something more than how to set up an iMac).

Life is too short to waste behind a keyboard talking to somebody who just isn't worth it. I am moving on. If you really are all that you say you are, why don't you be constructive? If you like helping people try leaving your feelings at the door and do something worthwhile.

Hint: if you don't insult them they come back!

jarfykk

Good points DA186, perhaps a little consideration on my part was/is necessary. True.