Napster suckage

Crazyace · 03-26-2001, 03:17 PM

It will never stop, if its not napster, its somone/somthing else. They need to give up, and go on! The artist make most of thier money on the road, it's the labels that make the lut in the studio. How many times have you seen vh1 "behind the music" and hear the artist bitch about the record industry screwing them over? Ahhh..

[Edited by Crazyace on 03-26-2001 at 03:12 PM]

hapoo · 03-26-2001, 03:31 PM

The question is when was the last time you heard on "Behind the music" that an artist went broke because of mp3's.

Hiro · 03-26-2001, 03:32 PM

In all honesty, I don't see how Napster is cheating. The Songs on the "list" are spelled correctly, there is a "list" but if the song that you are looking for is spelled differently than how exactly it is spelt on the "list" then it will go through the filter.

Example :

Song as spelled on the list - "Metallica - I Disappear.mp3"

someone enters "Metallica" in Artist and "I Disappear" in song title, and it won't go through the list. However, if someone enters "Metallica" under Artist and "I Disppear" under song title, it will be allowed through the filter because it isn't matching what they have put down.

I dont see how they can filter EVERY single song on the "list" without just cancelling Napster and the program all together.

Although, on another note, I don't see how Metallica can have started all this when I thought they started their career by handing out Free copies of their singles at concerts and such. Im confused....

Anyway, thats just my 2 cents.

In response too Hapoo's comment....If I like a full cd of music that I have downloaded off of Napster, I will actually go out and spend the cash to buy the CD even though I have the utilities to Decode the MP3's, put them on CD, and play them in my car. I don't know why I do it, but I do just to have the CD I guess. But if it weren't for Napster, I never would have bought that CD.

Crazyace · 03-26-2001, 03:38 PM

i cant spell them right anyways

topane · 03-27-2001, 06:53 AM

The ones who stand to lose the most cash are the record companies. No, artists don't go broke off of mp3s, but they do deserve someting for their efforts. The artist gets about 80 cents per album sold, the rest going to the record company, the store you buy the cd in, advertising, middle men, etc. Perhaps the traditional way of doing business is archaic and needs an update or a radical overhaul, but simply not paying (or stealing as some may call it) is not the answer. I don't know what the answer is. It really stinks to have to buy an entire album just for one or two good songs. Most of the time the rest of the album sucks anyways. CD singles are way too expensive, and to have encryption in place (this has been proposed by the RIAA I believe) where you can't play the music you downloaded to your PC anywhere but on that PC is not the answer (what happens when your hard drive fails?) The other great thing about Napster is its ability to track down old or unreleased music. Case in point--I'm a huge Rush fan (and yes, I purchased every album) and there are four unreleased songs from before their first album which can't be bought anywhere. But someone on Napster had them, and I was able to listen to them. Maybe artists should just sell the songs direct from their web site for 50 cents a pop, and have downloadable art you can print out on your PC and make your own cd case.

Hiro · 03-27-2001, 11:27 AM

see, now if the courts and lawyers would look at some of the good points you just made, we wouldn't be having this whole napster problem. now would we?

ironchef · 03-27-2001, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by topane
down old or unreleased music. Case in point--I'm a huge Rush fan (and yes, I purchased every album) and there are four unreleased songs from before their first album which can't be bought anywhere. But someone on Napster had them, and I was able to listen to them

oh, oh! what songs are these?

topane · 03-27-2001, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ironchef

Quote:

Originally posted by topane
down old or unreleased music. Case in point--I'm a huge Rush fan (and yes, I purchased every album) and there are four unreleased songs from before their first album which can't be bought anywhere. But someone on Napster had them, and I was able to listen to them

oh, oh! what songs are these?

You can't fight it (released as a single pre-1st album)
Not Fade Away (B-side, Buddy Holly cover)
Bad Boy (Beatles cover) from "Live From The Electric Ladyland Studios 1974" bootleg album
Fairy Dancer - same album

The first two are, um, bad. Good to have in the collection, though, if just to listen to...

topane · 03-27-2001, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corsec
see, now if the courts and lawyers would look at some of the good points you just made, we wouldn't be having this whole napster problem. now would we?

Damn, I can't believe that someone thought I made sense

ironchef · 03-27-2001, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by topane
You can't fight it (released as a single pre-1st album)
Not Fade Away (B-side, Buddy Holly cover)
Bad Boy (Beatles cover) from "Live From The Electric Ladyland Studios 1974" bootleg album
Fairy Dancer - same album

The first two are, um, bad. Good to have in the collection, though, if just to listen to... [/b]

actually after i saw your post, i hopped on a looked for Rush and rare and found em

Why the hell do people spam the damn thing with file names that include like 15 band names and stuff. that's so stupid. what's to gain?

deepakhj · 04-05-2001, 09:50 AM

The reason I use Napster is to preview songs before I buy them on vinyl. And happily, all my electronic friends from Europe aren't part of the evil organization called the RIAA. (except EMI? maybe..). So I haven't run into any search problems.

Deepak

apmiller · 04-05-2001, 02:57 PM

It's all about free stuff! Where can I get it? How much can I get? Don't matter if it's any good, we just want it FREE!

Some of these artist are worried that if we can get it free then they won't make money. That's just not true. There are a 1000 ways to get music for free before Napster came around and they still made money. Why attack this one way? One way or another, if someone wants it free, they will get it free.

For years we have open the doors to get things like music for free. Should we sue the heck out of little billy because he made a copy of his favorte song on a tape so he can go dance to it in a schoole talent show? Why sell rewriteable CD's, recordable tapes and stereo's that can record what's on the radio? There's no point in standing up and saying, "I don't like it so stop or I'll sue!" when we've been able to get music for free for YEARS before there was even a home PC. It's just stupid!

03-26-2001, 03:17 PM	#1
Crazyace Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 111	It will never stop, if its not napster, its somone/somthing else. They need to give up, and go on! The artist make most of thier money on the road, it's the labels that make the lut in the studio. How many times have you seen vh1 "behind the music" and hear the artist bitch about the record industry screwing them over? Ahhh.. [Edited by Crazyace on 03-26-2001 at 03:12 PM] __________________ CrazyAce Former News Dude Got/Apex?

03-26-2001, 03:31 PM	#2
hapoo Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: 742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield USA Posts: 9,276	The question is when was the last time you heard on "Behind the music" that an artist went broke because of mp3's. __________________

03-26-2001, 03:32 PM	#3
Hiro Rear Admiral Upper Half Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,654	In all honesty, I don't see how Napster is cheating. The Songs on the "list" are spelled correctly, there is a "list" but if the song that you are looking for is spelled differently than how exactly it is spelt on the "list" then it will go through the filter. Example : Song as spelled on the list - "Metallica - I Disappear.mp3" someone enters "Metallica" in Artist and "I Disappear" in song title, and it won't go through the list. However, if someone enters "Metallica" under Artist and "I Disppear" under song title, it will be allowed through the filter because it isn't matching what they have put down. I dont see how they can filter EVERY single song on the "list" without just cancelling Napster and the program all together. Although, on another note, I don't see how Metallica can have started all this when I thought they started their career by handing out Free copies of their singles at concerts and such. Im confused.... Anyway, thats just my 2 cents. In response too Hapoo's comment....If I like a full cd of music that I have downloaded off of Napster, I will actually go out and spend the cash to buy the CD even though I have the utilities to Decode the MP3's, put them on CD, and play them in my car. I don't know why I do it, but I do just to have the CD I guess. But if it weren't for Napster, I never would have bought that CD. __________________ -Corsec-

03-26-2001, 03:38 PM	#4
Crazyace Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 111	spelling i cant spell them right anyways

03-27-2001, 06:53 AM	#5
topane turducken all the time Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Between the wheels Posts: 5,055	The ones who stand to lose the most cash are the record companies. No, artists don't go broke off of mp3s, but they do deserve someting for their efforts. The artist gets about 80 cents per album sold, the rest going to the record company, the store you buy the cd in, advertising, middle men, etc. Perhaps the traditional way of doing business is archaic and needs an update or a radical overhaul, but simply not paying (or stealing as some may call it) is not the answer. I don't know what the answer is. It really stinks to have to buy an entire album just for one or two good songs. Most of the time the rest of the album sucks anyways. CD singles are way too expensive, and to have encryption in place (this has been proposed by the RIAA I believe) where you can't play the music you downloaded to your PC anywhere but on that PC is not the answer (what happens when your hard drive fails?) The other great thing about Napster is its ability to track down old or unreleased music. Case in point--I'm a huge Rush fan (and yes, I purchased every album) and there are four unreleased songs from before their first album which can't be bought anywhere. But someone on Napster had them, and I was able to listen to them. Maybe artists should just sell the songs direct from their web site for 50 cents a pop, and have downloadable art you can print out on your PC and make your own cd case. __________________ Shall we buy a new guitar? Shall we drive a more powerful car?

03-27-2001, 11:27 AM	#6
Hiro Rear Admiral Upper Half Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,654	see, now if the courts and lawyers would look at some of the good points you just made, we wouldn't be having this whole napster problem. now would we?

04-05-2001, 09:50 AM	#11
deepakhj Ensign Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 7	side note.. The reason I use Napster is to preview songs before I buy them on vinyl. And happily, all my electronic friends from Europe aren't part of the evil organization called the RIAA. (except EMI? maybe..). So I haven't run into any search problems. Deepak

04-05-2001, 02:57 PM	#12
apmiller Lieutenant Commander Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Anywhere the video games take me... Posts: 711	It's all about free stuff! Where can I get it? How much can I get? Don't matter if it's any good, we just want it FREE! Some of these artist are worried that if we can get it free then they won't make money. That's just not true. There are a 1000 ways to get music for free before Napster came around and they still made money. Why attack this one way? One way or another, if someone wants it free, they will get it free. For years we have open the doors to get things like music for free. Should we sue the heck out of little billy because he made a copy of his favorte song on a tape so he can go dance to it in a schoole talent show? Why sell rewriteable CD's, recordable tapes and stereo's that can record what's on the radio? There's no point in standing up and saying, "I don't like it so stop or I'll sue!" when we've been able to get music for free for YEARS before there was even a home PC. It's just stupid! __________________ I'm a Cartoonsit, gamer, lover... just check me out! URL="http://www.millercomics.com"]Miller Comics[/url]

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