SS: Paypal chargeback

rockets26 · 10-23-2005, 03:12 AM

I sold an item to a person on ebay who was local. He paypaled me $110 for the item. It was for a concert, and it was getting close, so I opted to meet him. Well this morning, I get a reversal email from paypal (concert was 3 days ago). I tried to give him cash back for the shipping when I met him with the tickets, but he said "no man, keep it". I thought it odd at the time but really wasn't going to argue..

I know, I must ship the item to be covered under SPP. My fault I know. I have the guy's home address (what I presume is home) and work address. You guys have any suggestions as to what to do in this situation? Filing a report with the local PD is an option. Should I threaten this guy with this (filing the PD report)? Suggestions please. I haven't contacted him yet regarding the transaction. I've been on ebay for 8 years, and am well aware of paypalsucks.com, and these chargeback scams. I'm hoping the fact that this guy is local will play to my advantage.

modena · 10-23-2005, 03:43 AM

go to his house if he is close and demand answers to what is going on

email him first tho just to back sure something legit did not happen

otherwise, go buy a bat and visit him

rockets26 · 10-23-2005, 03:47 AM

This guy was pretty big, and i'm only 19. He drove a total POS car too. I know that doesn't really factor into things, but it just keeps sticking out in my mind.

modena · 10-23-2005, 04:04 AM

maybe drive by his house and verify that he lives there, maybe have a friend do it selling the bible or something

then try to do everything you can from behind the keyboard, see where that all gets you first

nickel · 10-23-2005, 06:41 AM

i would talk to someone at your local police department for advice.

brainsmile · 10-23-2005, 09:36 AM

I'd say police and also see if you can get witnesses at the concert from ticket holders next to your seats

Itsme · 10-23-2005, 10:44 AM

There is still a remote possibility that his action was a mistake, or a misunderstanding. Contact him via email, and /or phone, before calling the police. There is always plenty of time to call the cops, but you'll feel awful foolinsh if it was just a mistake.

Agent Plissken · 10-23-2005, 11:47 AM

This ladies and gentlemen, is why I am a misanthrope.

Nija · 10-24-2005, 12:48 AM

This is why you do like your supposed to, and mail them. So you are covered WHEN people **** you over.

Besides, why put through the effort to meet someone, when you can just mail something to them. Much less effort required on your part AND your covered through PayPal's crap-**** agreements.

DarkFury · 10-24-2005, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent Plissken

This ladies and gentlemen, is why I am a misanthrope.

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Check out the big brain on Brett. You one smart mutha...

</Jules Winnfield>

rockets26 · 10-24-2005, 08:55 AM

I called him at his work today. He claims to not know anything about it. Going to meet him tomorrow, and bring some friends with me... Hopefully he'll show..

Grimm · 10-24-2005, 10:29 AM

For future refference, you can have someone sign a receipt when they receive the items by hand. Unless you have some friends that were sitting in adjacent seats who can testify that the thief was there, you are out of luck.

cheapie · 10-24-2005, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockets26

I called him at his work today. He claims to not know anything about it. Going to meet him tomorrow, and bring some friends with me... Hopefully he'll show..

he claims to not know anything about the chargeback or the delivery?

kgsilvas · 10-24-2005, 12:02 PM

Wow, that does suck. I've gone the receipt route like Grimm suggested. Haven't had anyone back out, but it would be helpful for small claims court.

rockets26 · 10-24-2005, 07:49 PM

My friends would show for court if needbe. Receipt wouldn't do me any good with paypal. He pretended to know nothing of the chargeback. I'm pretty sure it wasn't his card, perhaps a friends? The billing address was confirmed and in the same city (city is relatively small), but not the one listed in the tx drivers license database.

kgsilvas · 10-25-2005, 10:35 AM

So is the guy going to pay you $$ for the tickets now that he knows a chargeback went through?

thekidrocks · 10-25-2005, 01:39 PM

When this d***head paid with PayPal, was the address confirmed? Check your PayPal payment history if in doubt.

PayPal defines the term LAME when it comes to helping on something like this. If their address was not confirmed, you're screwed as far as PayPal is concerned. If the address is, they might go to bat for you to some extent. At least not roll over as quickly.

What eCommerce and eBay needs is a competent company for accepting payments. PayPal needs their butt kicked hard. Thanks to them, I lost a brand new laptop last Christmas season, and they not only would not help, they would not tell me what was going on. PayPal is evil!

Grimm · 10-25-2005, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thekidrocks

PayPal is evil!

No they just suck. I closed my PayPal account years ago when I realized what a ripoff it was.
Anyone that wants to pay through PayPal for a local transaction is probably a scammer.

I think this guy is probably jerking your chain. He is gonna lead you on and keep you from filing a police report untill you just give up on it. If you don't have cash in hand within 24 hours, file a police report.

guiseppewv · 10-25-2005, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grimm

No they just suck. I closed my PayPal account years ago when I realized what a ripoff it was.
Anyone that wants to pay through PayPal for a local transaction is probably a scammer.

I think this guy is probably jerking your chain. He is gonna lead you on and keep you from filing a police report untill you just give up on it. If you don't have cash in hand within 24 hours, file a police report.

Paypal sucks. I cancelled my account years ago.

rockets26 · 10-27-2005, 02:41 PM

He met me on Tue night, still claimed to know nothing about it. My thought is if he knew nothing, then why did he just meet me to pay me "another" $110. Oh well, all is well now.

His address was confirmed but it wouldn't have done me any good because I didn't have a tracking number. His confirmed address however didn't match his address in the TX DL database.

thekidrocks · 10-27-2005, 10:37 PM

Problem with PayPal, well, we don't have the space for War and Peace here.

But seriously though, if you sell on eBay - and I do, you are virtually forced to accept PayPal. Yes they suck and blow at the same time - HARD, but it's an evil that buyers want. Kind of the Bose of eCommerce. Those who don't know better, think they are wonderful.

To open a merchant account is opening a can of worns. For me, who does this to suppliment savings and student loans to keep the bills paid (I am a full time college student, which is nearing the end of the trail as I am a senior now) - I am not in a position to have a merchant account and accept CC's directly.

I've only been burned once with PayPal, and it was a fraudulent credit card purchase that PayPal did not stand behind. Lost a brand new laptop computer over that one. PayPal had JUST started the confirmed address aspect, and sellers weren't as knowledgable about it... and nope - it wasn't.

10-23-2005, 03:12 AM	#1
rockets26 Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 116	SS: Paypal chargeback I sold an item to a person on ebay who was local. He paypaled me $110 for the item. It was for a concert, and it was getting close, so I opted to meet him. Well this morning, I get a reversal email from paypal (concert was 3 days ago). I tried to give him cash back for the shipping when I met him with the tickets, but he said "no man, keep it". I thought it odd at the time but really wasn't going to argue.. I know, I must ship the item to be covered under SPP. My fault I know. I have the guy's home address (what I presume is home) and work address. You guys have any suggestions as to what to do in this situation? Filing a report with the local PD is an option. Should I threaten this guy with this (filing the PD report)? Suggestions please. I haven't contacted him yet regarding the transaction. I've been on ebay for 8 years, and am well aware of paypalsucks.com, and these chargeback scams. I'm hoping the fact that this guy is local will play to my advantage.

10-23-2005, 03:43 AM	#2
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10-23-2005, 03:47 AM	#3
rockets26 Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 116	This guy was pretty big, and i'm only 19. He drove a total POS car too. I know that doesn't really factor into things, but it just keeps sticking out in my mind. Last edited by rockets26 : 10-23-2005 at 03:49 AM.

10-23-2005, 06:41 AM	#5
nickel Vice Chairwoman, Joint Chieftess of Staff Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Jeterville, NYY Posts: 17,786	i would talk to someone at your local police department for advice. __________________ click me

10-23-2005, 09:36 AM	#6
brainsmile Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: woah... why is welfareloser here with me so early in the morning and more importantly why am I wearing her clothes?!? Posts: 13,754	I'd say police and also see if you can get witnesses at the concert from ticket holders next to your seats __________________ ********************************** DCM #1 (Founder) "Nobody beats Vitus Gerulaitis 18 times in a row." - Vitus Gerulaitis on beating Jimmy Connors after 17 failed attempts.

10-23-2005, 04:04 AM	#4
modena Captain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: pa Posts: 1,741	maybe drive by his house and verify that he lives there, maybe have a friend do it selling the bible or something then try to do everything you can from behind the keyboard, see where that all gets you first

10-23-2005, 10:44 AM	#7
Itsme Vice Admiral Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 4,813	There is still a remote possibility that his action was a mistake, or a misunderstanding. Contact him via email, and /or phone, before calling the police. There is always plenty of time to call the cops, but you'll feel awful foolinsh if it was just a mistake.

10-23-2005, 11:47 AM	#8
Agent Plissken Commander Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Montgomery Posts: 1,264	This ladies and gentlemen, is why I am a misanthrope. __________________ Dyin' ain't much of a living, boy

10-24-2005, 12:48 AM	#9
Nija Chief of Naval Operations Join Date: May 2001 Location: City of The Dead Posts: 13,552	This is why you do like your supposed to, and mail them. So you are covered WHEN people ** you over. Besides, why put through the effort to meet someone, when you can just mail something to them. Much less effort required on your part AND your covered through PayPal's crap-** agreements. __________________ "Nija is the dark soul of gotapex. We don't like to talk about him." - LPMiller

10-24-2005, 08:55 AM	#11
rockets26 Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 116	I called him at his work today. He claims to not know anything about it. Going to meet him tomorrow, and bring some friends with me... Hopefully he'll show..

10-24-2005, 10:29 AM	#12
Grimm 100% Pure Evil Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 7,861	For future refference, you can have someone sign a receipt when they receive the items by hand. Unless you have some friends that were sitting in adjacent seats who can testify that the thief was there, you are out of luck.

10-24-2005, 12:02 PM	#14
kgsilvas Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,245	Wow, that does suck. I've gone the receipt route like Grimm suggested. Haven't had anyone back out, but it would be helpful for small claims court.

10-24-2005, 07:49 PM	#15
rockets26 Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 116	My friends would show for court if needbe. Receipt wouldn't do me any good with paypal. He pretended to know nothing of the chargeback. I'm pretty sure it wasn't his card, perhaps a friends? The billing address was confirmed and in the same city (city is relatively small), but not the one listed in the tx drivers license database.

10-25-2005, 10:35 AM	#16
kgsilvas Rear Admiral Lower Half Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,245	So is the guy going to pay you $$ for the tickets now that he knows a chargeback went through?

10-25-2005, 01:39 PM	#17
thekidrocks Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Northen Indiana Posts: 357	When this d***head paid with PayPal, was the address confirmed? Check your PayPal payment history if in doubt. PayPal defines the term LAME when it comes to helping on something like this. If their address was not confirmed, you're screwed as far as PayPal is concerned. If the address is, they might go to bat for you to some extent. At least not roll over as quickly. What eCommerce and eBay needs is a competent company for accepting payments. PayPal needs their butt kicked hard. Thanks to them, I lost a brand new laptop last Christmas season, and they not only would not help, they would not tell me what was going on. PayPal is evil!

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10-27-2005, 02:41 PM	#20
rockets26 Lieutenant Junior Grade Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 116	He met me on Tue night, still claimed to know nothing about it. My thought is if he knew nothing, then why did he just meet me to pay me "another" $110. Oh well, all is well now. His address was confirmed but it wouldn't have done me any good because I didn't have a tracking number. His confirmed address however didn't match his address in the TX DL database.

10-27-2005, 10:37 PM	#21
thekidrocks Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Northen Indiana Posts: 357	Problem with PayPal, well, we don't have the space for War and Peace here. But seriously though, if you sell on eBay - and I do, you are virtually forced to accept PayPal. Yes they suck and blow at the same time - HARD, but it's an evil that buyers want. Kind of the Bose of eCommerce. Those who don't know better, think they are wonderful. To open a merchant account is opening a can of worns. For me, who does this to suppliment savings and student loans to keep the bills paid (I am a full time college student, which is nearing the end of the trail as I am a senior now) - I am not in a position to have a merchant account and accept CC's directly. I've only been burned once with PayPal, and it was a fraudulent credit card purchase that PayPal did not stand behind. Lost a brand new laptop computer over that one. PayPal had JUST started the confirmed address aspect, and sellers weren't as knowledgable about it... and nope - it wasn't.

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