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    Ok so last weekend I went to a "psychic house party" in which reknowned psychic, Phil Jordan, (www.philjordan.com) was the guest of honor. He told me I had a past life on the Wagon Trains heading west, and had an almost completely silver,gold,and white aura with the exception of a bit of red over my right knee,some bright green over my left shoulder, and some bright blue surrounding my arms.He described my deceased maternal grandmother to a "T" and that she was there next to me..in the reading bringing "strength" from all my family members on the other side, he also told me I will be heading to Maryland, and Virginia and it will be a pleasure trip (the trip was already planned before the reading!)He also gave me SPECIFIC names of people in my family who have passed over that were coming through pretty strong to say hello. First names only, but EXACT names (very Italian names as well)..he did a 15 minute reading for me. Now I have gone to see him before many years ago-and the weird thing is-he told me almost the same stuff verbatim, that he told me back then. It was kind of freaky. Ps. Jordan was the psychic who found JFK jr's plane after it sunk. He told the police the exact location. The guy is amazing. I realize that it's hard to get a personal reading with him-but I highly suggest having a phone reading or a written one. For 75 bucks-it's worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oblongmelon
    Ok so last weekend I went to a "psychic house party" in which reknowned psychic, Phil Jordan, (www.philjordan.com) was the guest of honor. He told me I had a past life on the Wagon Trains heading west, and had an almost completely silver,gold,and white aura with the exception of a bit of red over my right knee,some bright green over my left shoulder, and some bright blue surrounding my arms.He described my deceased maternal grandmother to a "T" and that she was there next to me..in the reading bringing "strength" from all my family members on the other side, he also told me I will be heading to Maryland, and Virginia and it will be a pleasure trip (the trip was already planned before the reading!)He also gave me SPECIFIC names of people in my family who have passed over that were coming through pretty strong to say hello. First names only, but EXACT names (very Italian names as well)..he did a 15 minute reading for me. Now I have gone to see him before many years ago-and the weird thing is-he told me almost the same stuff verbatim, that he told me back then. It was kind of freaky. Ps. Jordan was the psychic who found JFK jr's plane after it sunk. He told the police the exact location. The guy is amazing. I realize that it's hard to get a personal reading with him-but I highly suggest having a phone reading or a written one. For 75 bucks-it's worth it.
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    Nice. Glad you enjoyed the experience. I can't say that I'll pay him any money for a reading though. It's the skeptic in me. With my background, I know that there are hundreds of ways to simulate the exact things you describe. I don't know if he's the real deal or not, but I can promise you that there are many mentalists who could come up with the same information through various means. It does piss me off, though, when people use mentalism (the branch of magic that deals with this - mind reading, psychic stuff, etc) and pass it off as the real deal for profit. The legit mentalists always present it as entertainment only. And I've done my share of mentalism on stage, etc.

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    Soory if the following offends you, but the "Kennedy" he claims to have found wasnt JFK, but a missing 5 year old boy named Tommy Kennedy.

    A quick search reveals the details of his "accurate find"

    Enter Phil Jordan, psychic sleuth cure spiritualist. He was, he says, "raised on dreams," and from about the age of six experienced clairvoyant visions. Prompted in part by "severe unemployment," he decided to offer "psychic consultations" to the public. Two years later, he launched his reputation as a psychic detective by supposedly locating a missing five-year-old boy. Although Jordan claims to have been helpful in other cases, it is this one that receives the most attention in his autobiography, I Knew This Day Would Come: A Personal Journey to Psychic Awareness (Jordan 1999, 58 64).

    The case--the rescue of Tommy Kennedy in Tioga County, New York--began on August 3, 1975. Young Kennedy had wandered away from his family at Empire Lake, and some searchers feared he might have fallen into the water and drowned. Using psychometry (or object-reading, an alleged type of ESP) Jordan supposedly received impressions from the boy's discovered T-shirt. Jordan announced, "He's alive," and, producing a sketch, said, "that's where they will find him." Subsequently, Jordan led searchers into the woods where "they found the exhausted five-year-old, under a tree in the exact location sketched by the psychic the night before" (Randles and Hough 2001).

    Unfortunately, the story has become "mythologized," according to Kenneth L. Feder and Michael Alan Park, who investigated the Kennedy case for my book Psychic Sleuths (Nickell 1994). They demonstrated how facts have been exaggerated and the story subjected to various embellishments. For example, the psychic's own accounts (Jordan 1977, 1999) fail to mention the T-shirt, a detail given in Arthur Lyons and Marcello Truzzi's The Blue Sense: Psychic Detectives and Crime (1991, 74), citing Fate magazine and the tabloid National Enquirer. It is repeated by Jenny Randles and Peter Hough in their credulous Psychic Detectives (2001, 86-88), which, astonishingly, ascribes the Kennedy case to 1982!

    Moreover, Jordan's map was vague and contained erroneous details. It was apparently of little use in the search, during which Jordan supposedly received vibrations telling him "to go here, to go there" (Feder and Park 1994). Jordan had, by his own admission, chosen an area of the woods that "no one had searched" (although Randles and Hough [2001] report otherwise). "Just as I was ready to give up, he says, "I looked down and saw the footprint of a young barefoot human headed up the trail." Even with such good luck, Jordan happened to be elsewhere--in a ravine--when other searchers in the party actually located the lost child. They had heard him "yelling for help" (Jordan 1999, 58-63).

    A 1989 television re-creation further exaggerated the story, leading Feder and Park (1994) to conclude, "It is curious indeed that this case, with all of its contradictions and odd coincidences, is considered an example compelling enough to be singled out in a television documentary more than a decade after the fact." And, of course, it has also been featured in mystery-mongering books such as that by Randles and Hough (2001).
    Like many others Jordan is a hack, and out to get rich. Just like Sylvia Browne and John Edwards. All fakes and a waste of money and time.
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    I know that he found Tommy Kennedy. But he also found JFK Jr's plane. His site hasn't been updated in a while. It was all over the papers here when it happened.

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    Yeah, the thing about his finding a kid in the woods in 1975 has been all but disproved (it's awfully tough to prove a negative, and if you're relying on the guy who claims to have found him psychically to have done so, there's a conflict of interests.)

    As mentioned, he did get to the scene late, knew where they had already looked, likely heard about the overturned boats, etc., that he drew, as it's almost certain that during his briefing, b/c the kid was young, he was told "we looked under the boats, and he wasn't there" etc. He talked to the kid's dad the night before, and, knowing where they had already looked, and knowing that a 5 year old barefoot kid near a lake probably didn't make it far in the rain, it was likely easy if you think a little outside the box.

    I try to be as open-minded as anyone regarding this stuff, but as a scientist and with a thorough history of magic history and techniques, I can almost guarantee you that in a similar situation I could replicate the same thing. Same with the readings, and other things.

    Sylvia has been embarrassed hundreds of times, getting things obviously wrong on radio shows, telling some girls on Montel Williams that their mother was in a psych hospital when in reality she was dead and the killer was in the same audience, etc. The initials she came up with weren't even close. These people, like John Edward, etc., make me sick. As do the producers, as they've been caught editing out the "misses" in favor of the "hits" for tv. Bringing people false hope and hurt just can't be justified. Plus, a good psychic performer can exploit the "hits" easily. People forget the misses.

    I won't, out of respect for the great mentalists of the past and their prolific writings, along respect for the legit performers, go into methods. But trust me, most if not all of what you see a psychic do can be replicated by non-supernatural means.

    But if you're entertained and not hurt, and if someone isn't trying to scam you, by all means, enjoy yourself. Just keep in mind that with appropriate knowledge and study, you could probably do the same thing.

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    If psychics were any good, they would make megabucks off of State lotteries.

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    Dude... Obby... No! "Fake!" I scream. Mentalism is an art to be done for tricks and enjoyment, not for real.
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    i was a slave in my last life. my friend slutmonkey was a slave trader with a freakin HUGE ship. my husband was in the crusades (for the *right* reasons, he was quickly assured.)

    all of this is from the psychic oracle herself, nodamnsense's mom
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    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon54
    I see you in another reincarnation far in the future. You are well respected, wise, and have great power. You will travel to distant planets and will battle evil. Your name will be Obby-wan Kenobi.

    As soon as I read your post I had a psychic vision.

    You will be drunk tonight.
    Am I alone here? Is that it?
    Am I the only one who sees.

    Maybe we can learn to be just like him.
    Wear a little uniform.
    Yes, sir.
    No, sir.
    Thank you, sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by welfareloser
    i was a slave in my last life. my friend slutmonkey was a slave trader with a freakin HUGE ship. my husband was in the crusades (for the *right* reasons, he was quickly assured.)

    all of this is from the psychic oracle herself, nodamnsense's mom
    Good to see you back WL! Long time no see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruelpupet
    As soon as I read your post I had a psychic vision.

    You will be drunk tonight.
    Oui oui! La biere en Montreal est tres bonne!!! Mmmm... biere. J'adore la biere de Montreal!
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    Go check out the Penn & Teller Bull**** episode about Cold Reading. It's actually very enlightning, very informative. Though, that was also TV and surely not without its edits, but an eye-opener nonetheless.

    There are countless resources online about Cold Reading, and that's pretty much what people like Edwards employ to take advantage of people.

    Like Houdini said - it's good for entertainment and, if you're the type who takes more pleasure out of how stuff works, the methods behind it. But it's really not much more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grafalgar
    Go check out the Penn & Teller Bull**** episode about Cold Reading. It's actually very enlightning, very informative. Though, that was also TV and surely not without its edits, but an eye-opener nonetheless.

    There are countless resources online about Cold Reading, and that's pretty much what people like Edwards employ to take advantage of people.

    Like Houdini said - it's good for entertainment and, if you're the type who takes more pleasure out of how stuff works, the methods behind it. But it's really not much more than that.
    And to be fair, there's a lot more involved, especially at a party or any gathering, than cold reading. Yes, cold reading is a useful skill, but only one out of MANY used in such situations. I have many, MANY thousands of pages in my library on mentalism, and I enjoy performing myself. The art's breadth is astounding. I don't really derive any pleasure, except from a historical perspective on development, in learning how stuff works. They're just tools. Same with all magic. Sure, I could tell you how Copperfield has accomplished just about if not everything. And he won't tell people, even if he knows they are magicians, like me, though I've never asked him a damn thing about secrets - I've gotten the ""look" when complimenting him or his crew, though I have been thanked once or twice when I've suggested an improvement. It's cool to see the improvement used in the next show. He's even weird about it towards magicians he's known since childhood. But I enjoy designing props, reading stuff by the great developers, etc. As a magician, I prefer to protect the audience from the secrets rather than protect the secrets from the audience. I've never met a layperson, who, upon learning accidentally or intentionally how something works, be impressed. It's more "doh' I coulda figured that out! That's stupid!" - when otherwise they would have taken even unconscious joy in not knowing. The other magis here can back me up on this.

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    Obby, please don't fall for those frauds or give them a buck. More than the curious, they prey on the the grieving and those seeking answers to life's mysteries. Along with the P&T BS episode referenced, the funniest spot on this was South Park's episode where they declare Edwards "The Biggest Douche in the Universe."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houdini
    I've never met a layperson, who, upon learning accidentally or intentionally how something works, be impressed. It's more "doh' I coulda figured that out! That's stupid!" - when otherwise they would have taken even unconscious joy in not knowing. The other magis here can back me up on this.
    I'm not a magician nor am I a historian of the various arts... but I do love to hear the hows of a skill.

    It amazes me that people can think of these things and then execute them so flawlessly as to be able to 'fool' the audience. I'd fall over dead from happiness if ever I were to be let loose in your library.

    Knowing the how’s to the few illusions I know I can still enjoy them if they're performed correctly. To me what awes me is not the trick, but how the trickster performs it.

    I don't mean to use 'trick' or 'trickster' as a bad thing. It's only that my vocabulary ran off with my car last week. It has since sent two postcards, one from Las Vegas and one from the Grand Canyon; I think it's headed for Atlantic City.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cadetevon
    I don't mean to use 'trick' or 'trickster' as a bad thing. It's only that my vocabulary ran off with my car last week. It has since sent two postcards, one from Las Vegas and one from the Grand Canyon; I think it's headed for Atlantic City.
    That would be a trick in itself!

    H <---prefers the term "effect" when used appropriately. Trick sounds much more conniving and mean. Magic should never be a puzzle or, despite how the vast majority of amateurs and some pros present it, a way to say, "hah, hah! i know how and you don't!" etc. It's an art. If you're really interested in the art, with detailed explanations of how some effects work, along with the accompanying history (this isn't a "secret" book, but it has secrets,) send me a PM. If you saw the movie "The Illusionist," you'll find that most effects (actually, ALL but one) in that movie could have been performed live at the time. No holography or anything. Very cool.

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    There was a guy on the Learning Channel about a week ago who performed incredible magical stunts. I believe his last name was Blain or Blane.

    They were so fantastic that everyone around him were in absolute awe of his tricks.

    Did anyone see this 3 hour special?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadetevon
    I don't mean to use 'trick' or 'trickster' as a bad thing. It's only that my vocabulary ran off with my car last week.
    I think the terms you are searching for are 'prestidigitation' (though some might use 'legerdemain') and 'prestidigitator'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnymk
    There was a guy on the Learning Channel about a week ago who performed incredible magical stunts. I believe his last name was Blain or Blane.

    They were so fantastic that everyone around him were in absolute awe of his tricks.

    Did anyone see this 3 hour special?


    that would be david blaine Linky
    he is absoutly amaizing but like all other things it is a skill and an illousion. Just because we aly people cannot possiblely phathom how he pulled it off doesnt mean its any less possible

    if you want to see something else awesome check out chris angel MindFreak
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Happy Squirrel
    if you want to see something else awesome check out chris angel MindFreak

    Strong rumors that he is getting a show here later this year. Saw him on TV the other night and he's pretty wicked too. Not your traditional magician, that's for sure.

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    I want to know how David Blaine walked through the glass window pane on one of his shows...that was wild.

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    Oh yeah, David Blaine. That dude was on South Park. He ate his own head.
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    One of David Blaine's well-known performances is the levitation. You can look up how he did it on the internet. It's really simple if you know how to do it. I do it every once in a while to entertain my friends. Then all my friends start doing their own levitations and it becomes a little instant levitation frenzy. People stare at us wierd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArkiStan
    One of David Blaine's well-known performances is the levitation. You can look up how he did it on the internet. It's really simple if you know how to do it. I do it every once in a while to entertain my friends. Then all my friends start doing their own levitations and it becomes a little instant levitation frenzy. People stare at us wierd.

    Are you serious?

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    yeah the levitation is pretty simple seriously folks if you ahve never seen chris angle check it out he makes dabid blaine look like a birthday clown
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Happy Squirrel
    yeah the levitation is pretty simple seriously folks if you ahve never seen chris angle check it out he makes dabid blaine look like a birthday clown


    Criss Angel is truly a freak. Check out the site, check out the show.

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    check this out Dont get Wet
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeD


    Criss Angel is truly a freak. Check out the site, check out the show.

    http://www.aetv.com/criss_angel/index.jsp



    Angel won the performer of the year award at the Academy of Magical Arts (Castle) last year. I like that he's making magic popular again, but I don't like the fact that some of what you see on tv wouldn't look like that if you were there.

    His levitation is pretty cool. Well, it's not actually his, but it's still cool. I haven't tried it yet, but it's on my plan. (not the flying 20 feet in the air thing, but the floating 2-3 feet onto a chair or something - the flying 20 feet around buildings requires much more than just Chris Angel.)

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