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    McNamee's Lawyer Predicts Clemens Pardon

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    I am not convinced one way or the other on Clemens, but I definately do not trust McNamee and this just reinforces that for me. It is Bush's fault?
    By RONALD BLUM (AP Baseball Writer)
    From Associated Press
    February 14, 2008 5:39 PM EST
    One of Brian McNamee's lawyers predicted Roger Clemens will be pardoned by President Bush, saying some Republicans treated his client harshly because of the pitcher's friendship with the Bush family.

    Richard Emery made the claims Thursday, a day after a congressional hearing broke down along party lines. Many Democrats were skeptical of Clemens' denials he used performance-enhancing drugs and Republicans questioned the character of McNamee, the personal trainer who made the accusations against the seven-time Cy Young Award winner.

    "It would be the easiest thing in the world for George W. Bush, given the corrupt proclivities of his administration, to say Roger Clemens is an American hero, Roger Clemens helped children," Emery said in a telephone interview. "It's my belief they have some reason to believe they can get a pardon."

    During Wednesday's session before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Clemens repeated his denials under oath, which could lead to criminal charges if federal prosecutors conclude he made false statements or obstructed Congress.

    "I'm not aware of Mr. Clemens having been charged with anything," White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto said after being told of Emery's remarks.

    Emery cited Bush's decision last year to commute the 2 1/2-year prison sentence of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, his vice president's former top aide. Libby was convicted in the case of the leaked identity of a CIA operative.

    In addition, Emery said he thinks Bush would pardon Clemens even before an indictment or conviction, as President Ford did with President Nixon.

    During the hearing, Clemens cited his friendship with Bush's father, President George H.W. Bush, a baseball fan who regularly attends Houston Astros' games. Clemens said he was on a recent hunting trip when the elder Bush called with words of support.

    "When all this happened, the former president of the United States found me in a deer blind in south Texas and expressed his concerns that this was unbelievable, and stay strong and hold your head up high," Clemens testified.

    Emery said as he thought about the testimony overnight, Clemens' reference to the call from the elder Bush convinced him the questioning by Republicans was a concerted effort.

    "All the pieces fell into place given his friendship, his personal friendship with the Bush family," Emery said. "They have some belief that even if he's prosecuted, he will never have to serve jail time or face a trail. This is a charade we're going through."

    IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky attended the hearing and watched from the second row. Novitzky has been a part of the BALCO prosecution team that secured an indictment against Barry Bonds on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice. Bonds testified before a grand jury in 2003 and denied that he knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs.

    Emery praised Clemens' lawyers, Rusty Hardin and Lanny Breuer, as knowledgeable and said the prospect of a pardon was the only explanation that allowed the pitcher to repeat his denials under oath.

    "It's the only reason lawyers worth their salt would allow their client to run into the buzz saw of Jeff Novitzky and the potential prosecution, tampering and lying to a federal official," Emery said.

    Hardin dismissed Emery's theory as without merit.

    "Richard Emery just has to quit smoking his own dope," Hardin said.

    A spokesman for Rep. Darrell Issa of California, a Republican who was critical of McNamee during the hearing, said Wednesday's partisan tone came about because GOP members felt the hearing was overly focused on Clemens instead of the broader concerns raised in the Mitchell Report on drug use in baseball.

    "It's clear Democrats had expected a government-funded TV show trial, and now they're whining that Republicans didn't want to play," said the spokesman, Frederick Hill. "The hearing was supposed to be about the Mitchell Report. The Democrats are at fault for focusing on individual wrongdoing instead of the validity of the Mitchell Report."

    Emery had harsh criticism for Republican Reps. Dan Burton of Indiana, Virginia Foxx of North Carolina, Christopher Shays of Connecticut and Issa. Shays called McNamee a "drug dealer" and Burton accused McNamee of telling "lie after lie after lie after lie."

    "It was disgusting and despicable behavior," Emery said. "It was clear to me they were carrying someone's water."

    Rep. Elijah Cummings, a Maryland Democrat who said he believed McNamee, was concerned about the apparent Republican-Democratic divide.

    "Of all the things to become partisan over, this was the wrong one," Cummings said. "What we needed to be doing was to be in search of truth. And I think that when you are truly in search of truth, we need to put the partisan shoes at the door and walk in without them."

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    Clemens is a moron. I think he is guilty, and he should have done what all the other smarter players did. Admit to using it a few times during rehab in the offseason. No tainted record, no asterisk next to his name, and no freaking trial where he can't even pronounce McNamee's name.

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    Hmmm... I wonder if Barry can get a pardon too?


    I DOUBT IT!!! If this happens, then that's just "par for the course" in my opinion.


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    Amazing that he would pardon this guy and not do anything about the border guards who are still in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkFury
    Hmmm... I wonder if Barry can get a pardon too?


    I DOUBT IT!!! If this happens, then that's just "par for the course" in my opinion.
    Why are you going to inject race into this? Clemens has a personal relationship with the Bush family. That would be the source for the pardon, not the fact that Clemens is white. It wouldn't be right, but it also wouldn't be racially motivated.

    If Bonds does get convicted, you better believe he will any personal relationship he has with people in high places to lessen the punishment.
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    I think they are both guilty. One for supplying and one for using. they should both spend a little time in jail, and the world should know clemens is a cheater. It bugs me more that baseball is happy to take such a hands off approach. i think all people should have their stats knocked off because of this nonsense.
    I heard bonds had a positive steroid test during the year he broke the home run record. sigh, so i think both his records along with all of clemens pitching records should be not valid.
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    Bonds' steroid test failure was actually a year earlier, the feds made a typo in their paperwork.

    I'm still not ready to crucify Clemens. First off, the only "evidence" is the word of a drug dealer who is a proven liar. Oh, that and a needle that he's kept for 7 years, and I'm sure hasn't tampered with to save his own butt.

    As far as baseball, I'd like to remind everyone that, during the period being discussed, there WAS NO RULE AGAINST STEROIDS IN BASEBALL. Clemens, Bonds, etc... violated no baseball rules. Laws, sure, but no baseball rules. Baseball players have been taking amphetamines for decades. Shall we go back and investigate that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubsfan
    I'm still not ready to crucify Clemens. First off, the only "evidence" is the word of a drug dealer who is a proven liar.
    Don't forget the words of Andy Pettite and other players whose testimony corroborates McNamee's story and runs counter to Clemens. And McNamee is not a drug dealer any more than Clemens is a junky. He's a trainer.

    Oh, that and a needle that he's kept for 7 years, and I'm sure hasn't tampered with to save his own butt.
    Why on Earth would he try and create false evidence against Clemens? What do you think his motivation for taking Clemens down with is? I don't see it. Its Clemens whose trying to save his skin, as well as his legacy.

    As far as baseball, I'd like to remind everyone that, during the period being discussed, there WAS NO RULE AGAINST STEROIDS IN BASEBALL. Clemens, Bonds, etc... violated no baseball rules. Laws, sure, but no baseball rules. Baseball players have been taking amphetamines for decades. Shall we go back and investigate that?
    The the laws of the nation trump baseball. I don't think MLB is going to put itself in a position where it let's guys off the hook when they break the law, regardless of MLB rules at the time. Just a hunch. And as far as amphetamines, the only reason they won't investgate is for lack of evidence available I imagine.

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    Don't forget the words of Andy Pettite and other players whose testimony corroborates McNamee's story and runs counter to Clemens.
    That is the reason for my own doubt of Clemen's innocense. McNamee is definately a shady charachter. It is very odd that he would save syringes and gauze for seven years. Why Congress should be involved is another question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbooty
    The the laws of the nation trump baseball. I don't think MLB is going to put itself in a position where it let's guys off the hook when they break the law, regardless of MLB rules at the time. Just a hunch. And as far as amphetamines, the only reason they won't investgate is for lack of evidence available I imagine.
    Been there before:
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Story
    During the Pittsburgh drug trials in the mid-1980s, outfielder John Milner testified that Willie Mays introduced him to a liquid amphetamine known as "red juice." More than a decade later, Tony Gwynn spoke of rampant amphetamine use in the game, and David Wells referred to greenies in his book, "Perfect I'm Not: Boomer on Beer, Brawls, Backaches, and Baseball."
    I have no problem banning these things. It's as easy as making a rule that says any drug against the law is outlawed. However, without a specific rule, no records should be changed. If a player would travel to Mexico for steroid injections, should their records be OK?

    Regardless of all this, my feeling is that baseball need to simply let the past be in the past. Focus on stopping this behavior in the future. That's the only rational course of action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTGreg
    Why are you going to inject race into this? Clemens has a personal relationship with the Bush family. That would be the source for the pardon, not the fact that Clemens is white. It wouldn't be right, but it also wouldn't be racially motivated.

    If Bonds does get convicted, you better believe he will any personal relationship he has with people in high places to lessen the punishment.
    Not injecting race, but it just happens to be that Barry is Black (looks to me like you want to toss the race card in there, are there any other WHITE people being accused of perjury in steroids that need a pardon too?)... but still... if Ol' George can pardon Clemens... I guess he can pardon Barry too?

    Favoritism Maybe?

    Yeah... I bet. Par for the course I say. Why not pardon Vick too while he is at it...

    Either way, it's still BULLSH@T from the biggest cow in Texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkFury
    Not injecting race, but it just happens to be that Barry is Black (looks to me like you want to toss the race card in there, are there any other WHITE people being accused of perjury in steroids that need a pardon too?)... but still... if Ol' George can pardon Clemens... I guess he can pardon Barry too?

    Favoritism Maybe?

    Yeah... I bet. Par for the course I say. Why not pardon Vick too while he is at it...

    Either way, it's still BULLSH@T from the biggest cow in Texas.
    Do you think McNamee will get pardoned if he gets convicted of perjury instead of Clemens? Again, the reason a pardon is even being mentioned is Clemens personal relationship with the Bush family. Presidential pardons for family friends isn't something that was started by this administration.
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    It's still BULLSH@T....

    No matter how you justify it.


    Justice for all my @ss.... more like Justice for the privledged few. G-Dub has no business in this (farkin' corrupt system of politics... sheesh).


    McNamee is not a "celebrity"... only they deserve such special treatment right? Bonds is a "celebrity" (technically... now does that justify him getting any leniency if found guilty? He's already guilty in the eyes of many of you.)

    If you gonna do one... then do 'em all. Don't pick favorites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubsfan
    Been there before:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print...509&type=story

    I have no problem banning these things. It's as easy as making a rule that says any drug against the law is outlawed. However, without a specific rule, no records should be changed. If a player would travel to Mexico for steroid injections, should their records be OK?

    Regardless of all this, my feeling is that baseball need to simply let the past be in the past. Focus on stopping this behavior in the future. That's the only rational course of action.
    Remember it's not simply only about using steroids/HGH but also a perjury charge, which is a more serious charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bachviet
    Remember it's not simply only about using steroids/HGH but also a perjury charge, which is a more serious charge.
    MLB won't do anything with the perjury charge one way or the other. If Clemens is in jail, he won't be playing but chances are he won't be playing anyway.

    Cubsfan's point was that it wasn't against the MLB rules to use performance enhancing drugs and, as such, why would you remove records from the record books or put an asterisk next to a record when it wasn't against the rules. If we are going to remove records because an individual breaks US law then a lot of the records go bye-bye.
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    Perjury is the only thing he can be charged with. Unless they could prove that he was involved with the illegal distribution of HGH and steroids. Even perjury can be a difficult case. Did he knowingly lie to Congress? Did he believe that he was telling the truth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkFury
    It's still BULLSH@T....

    No matter how you justify it.


    Justice for all my @ss.... more like Justice for the privledged few. G-Dub has no business in this (farkin' corrupt system of politics... sheesh).


    McNamee is not a "celebrity"... only they deserve such special treatment right? Bonds is a "celebrity" (technically... now does that justify him getting any leniency if found guilty? He's already guilty in the eyes of many of you.)

    If you gonna do one... then do 'em all. Don't pick favorites.
    They aren't trying to justify it DF. They are just saying Clemens is buying favorites with his connection to bush. They were simply countering you saying its probably racial to them saying, its probably a personal level of clemens being friends with Bush. If Bonds was a friend with Bush and clemens was not, i imagine the pardon would come for bonds and not for clemens.

    I agree that pardons are stupid. They are literally saying "its who you know, regardless of what you did".
    Like when they let Scooter out. That was complete and utter BS. But because he helped bush, he got let go. Just how linsay lohan and paris hilton walk out free from multiple dui's.
    This is very much the good old boy network, and the problem is that most of us and Bonds, are not a part of it.
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    Bonds being a "Bush friend"...

    Even the thought makes me chuckle.... Heh Heh heh...

    Knowing ol Bushy.. he'd probably still wouldn't pardon Bonds even if they were friends.


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