AV123 Rocket Sale

[gwilks98]

http://av123forum.com/showthread.php?t=32643

AV123 is selling a specific package of their rocket line for a fair amount of $$$ off the existing price.

Here's the deal:

Good Afternoon –

The times they are a changing for sure. Costs are rising everywhere – and our factories in China are taking a big hit with the Yuan v Dollar hurting like never before (I miss that old 8.1 Yuan per Dollar peg we enjoyed for all of those years for sure)… and with the labour laws and fuels costs in China the “Big Hurt” (and I’m not talkin’ about Frank Thomas here) is upon us…

I’ve had to really think creatively to bring you folks something really special in the way of a SUPER DEAL on our best selling Rocket Loudspeakers… I have done it using some real “out of the box” thinking – both on the Costs Of Goods Sold side – as well as the transport vector of this matrix.

By asking our friends in China to help us with this Super Summer Rocket Deal -we have sort of reminded ourselves of how close we have all become as friends and as partners… This deal was put together with our COLLECTIVE best feet forward – all with you in mind… I love this deal in fact as it saves everyone a ton now – and when the new prices are announced – THEN the savings will really hit home

Clearly our best selling system has always been this one:

RS850 + RSC200 + RS450

This is the system that brings the house down – and puts our very best foot forward (except for maybe the RS1000’s in front – the 850 is something really special)… For Home Cinema this is “the voice” of this company. Many will like the open baffle designs for their special attributes – but if you want to “rock the house” – this is THE ONE!

With the help of our friends in China we can now offer this system at the following price (+ freight)

$1999

Yes… $1999 plus freight… In a few short weeks the exact same system will be about $1000 dollars MORE! RS850’s will have to go to $1599 – RS450’s will settle in at $799 and Big Foot will be right at $549… You can do the math for yourself…

If the R450’s are not to your liking for rear channels due to space limitations – how about we roll out the EXACT SAME SYSTEM – but instead of the RS450’s for your rear channels, you can substitute the wonderful ELT 525 mini Monitor…

System Price ---- $1699

OK – what’s the catch… There are two – they are:

To buy this system you will need to place a 50% deposit with us to hold your system. The day you order, we need 50% down.

And – Delivery

These will be shipped to you 90 days from your order date. We may improve this timing a bit – but count on 90 days… This gives us a perfect amount of time to process your order – produce the product – ship it here – and then ship it to you. We are completely confident in our delivery schedule – and YES, we have learned to err on the “conservative side”…

To place your order – simply call your av123 Rep today… Supplies are only as good as the planned build out…

I also wish to add that a few of you are waiting for this exact system right now – you will be priced matched in an av123 Gift Certificate. Good for you – good for us…

I need to also mention that current Gift Cards are excluded from this sale at THESE prices… they can be used with the necessary cost adjustment (we just can’t give you that EXTRA 10% over we gave you <over> with these cards – but you can use them with the costs adjusted). These prices are just too tight to be able to use here in the traditional sense… We can back out that extra 10% we gave you (over what you actually paid in) and then you can “go for” these deals as you desire…

As well, some of you are taking delivery of this system or one just like it THIS WEEK. You can call your Rep today and switch to this system if you’d like. We are also sending this post to ALL of you in the current RS850 wait queue (system or individual sale). For those folks you can Super Size your package or individual sale and get RS1000’s at just $250 dollars more… How about that…

OK folks – this is very very very best I can do for you – I know many of you will not be heading out to visit the kids or relatives this summer due to the incredibly high fuel and travel costs we are faced with today. Stay home and rock with some Summer Fun from av123… Let our Rockets lift you into orbit (corny, but fun to say)… and see for yourself what everyone is talking about with these speakers… Now, more than ever… THE BEST HT Value is right here with our Rockets…

ENJOY…

All the best…

mls

They were already running an existing special that put this system at $2547 with free shipping. Even though this final sale doesn't include shipping, it put my total at $2350 shipped, about $200 off.

I heard these last weekend, and they are fantastic speakers IMO.
(The 850's are particularly easy to drive at 8ohm, 91.5 db sensitivity.)

I think they were playing around with a very short term sale, so get in while you can if you're in the market.

[bentl1]

As a member of the professional audio community for over 30 years I can speak with authority when it comes to loudspeaker design. I've listened to Chinese speakers for several years at CES and I have yet to find even one, that wasn't an electrostat, that was worth a couple of hundred bucks per speaker. They package the speaker nicely, but the "guts" are crude and cheap. The drivers are poor quality copies from premium brands. Even how the drivers are mounted in the boxes are poor. They focus on looks and cheapness ... 91.5db sensitivity isn't all that great. Klipsch has speakers that are 105db .... that's a shockingly enormous difference. And the resale value difference is just as enormous.
Thirty year old Heresys bring MORE money than what they originally cost ... Chinese speakers plummet in value ... probably worth twenty cents to the dollar after two years. Admittedly some people have tin ears and can't tell the difference, but those that know about music and speakers wouldn't be caught dead with these things in their house. Put a pair of the 850s against a thirty year old Klipsch and watch the old Klipschs destroy the 850. There simply isn't any comparison.
These Chinese speakers are for people who: #1) don't critically listen to music #2) who want a BIG speaker to impress their tone deaf friends #3) who don't shop at a proper high-end audio dealer #4) who think a "good deal" is the most important aspect of a good speaker. Truly high quality speakers don't have to be crazy expensive, as evidenced by KEF speakers. If I were to set a price on the 850s, considering the quality and sound quality, I'd set a retail of $350.00 per speaker.

[ArkiStan]

I guess even the most refined and snobbiest of audiophiles aren't too good for $5 off K-Y coupons and free Taco Bell Frutista Freeze™s. Welcome to the forum bentl1.

[gwilks98]

As a member of the professional audio community for over 30 years I can speak with authority when it comes to loudspeaker design. I've listened to Chinese speakers for several years at CES and I have yet to find even one, that wasn't an electrostat, that was worth a couple of hundred bucks per speaker. They package the speaker nicely, but the "guts" are crude and cheap. The drivers are poor quality copies from premium brands. Even how the drivers are mounted in the boxes are poor. They focus on looks and cheapness ... 91.5db sensitivity isn't all that great. Klipsch has speakers that are 105db .... that's a shockingly enormous difference. And the resale value difference is just as enormous.
Thirty year old Heresys bring MORE money than what they originally cost ... Chinese speakers plummet in value ... probably worth twenty cents to the dollar after two years. Admittedly some people have tin ears and can't tell the difference, but those that know about music and speakers wouldn't be caught dead with these things in their house. Put a pair of the 850s against a thirty year old Klipsch and watch the old Klipschs destroy the 850. There simply isn't any comparison.
These Chinese speakers are for people who: #1) don't critically listen to music #2) who want a BIG speaker to impress their tone deaf friends #3) who don't shop at a proper high-end audio dealer #4) who think a "good deal" is the most important aspect of a good speaker. Truly high quality speakers don't have to be crazy expensive, as evidenced by KEF speakers. If I were to set a price on the 850s, considering the quality and sound quality, I'd set a retail of $350.00 per speaker.

Thank you for your opinion and crapping on my thread. **** you too.
Judging by your other posts, you're just a bundle of positive energy. Why come here if your only purpose is to bring other people down?

[Yoshi Mori]

In fairness, I think critical posts are more helpful than "thx, looks like a good deal!!1" replies.

And "thread crapping"? ...Seriously? You reported a speaker discount, not a philosophical treatise.

[Got Apex Moderator]

Yes folks, G|A welcoms dissenting opinions even on hot deals. Let's not take it personally if not everyone likes the products posted.

Thank you

- GAM

[gwilks98]

Fairness? He offered absolutely nothing objective about his post. Just a blanket "chinese built speakers are crap and these things are worth $350 each."
Comparing a current product to 30 year old speakers or ones that cost $10,000 a pair doesn't make much sense either.

That's certainly not helpful to me. It sounds more like biased brandbashing or even china bashing.

What got me was I asked people for their input on speakers here:
http://www.gotapex.com/home-theater-...r-opinion.html

He said nothing. Comments like "I've heard the rockets, and they don't hold a candle to the Dynaudio Contours because they resonate and the woofers wear out" would have been more warmly accepted.

I'm ok with criticism, if it's constructive.

Benlt1: let me try again. Would you care to give your opinion on other alternatives in this price class, that make this a bad deal? Or would you care to comment on how the sound is flawed coming out of this brand of speaker?

[tg_iv]

If I knew nothing about audio or consumer products in general, the "review" offered would be on it's face unhelpful. A conclusion that all Chinese speakers are poor can't be factually verified, and a review this lacking in detail couldn't help anyone make a rational choice on this specific set of speakers.

There was no indication that the "reviewer" has actually ever heard these particular speakers. Further, he indicates his exposure to the entire category (Chinese speakers) is limited to the ideal setting of a trade show!

I've also been an audio-video enthusiast for over thirty years, and my advice is simple: Research what you can, listen and see for yourself, and then spend your dollars on what makes the most sense for you.

If you're interested in a wide range of views on these speakers (including many who love them for sound and value) then one source of information is this link: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/search.php Select the "speakers" forum and search on "Rocket 850".

Good luck!

[Yoshi Mori]

I'm ok with criticism, if it's constructive.

Why do you care at all? Do you have some emotional or financial interest in this speaker discount? Is your reputation amongst other anonymous internet users threatened by a dissenting opinion?

[ILoveDogs]

Wow, Yoshi Mori, having seen only two of your three posts on this site so far, you've really added to the discussion.

[eighty8]

I once bought some brand I didn't know of speakers out of the back of a van that drove by my ATM and then I sold them on ebay for a markup

[gwilks98]

Why do you care at all? Do you have some emotional or financial interest in this speaker discount? Is your reputation amongst other anonymous internet users threatened by a dissenting opinion?

I dunno, I just feel it's necessary to point out an ass when I see one. People should be embarrassed when they post stupid crap like that.

[tg_iv]

Why do you care at all? Do you have some emotional or financial interest in this speaker discount? Is your reputation amongst other anonymous internet users threatened by a dissenting opinion?

I strongly believe in this as a general principal. However, it's also entirely appropriate to point out that this "reviewer" appears to have no experience with the specific product that he's writing about. In fact, he has weighed in claiming to be an expert. It would be useful to hear opinions about these speakers (pro and con) from people who've actually heard them.

If the country of origin is the entire basis for an opinion on a product, then that opinion is certainly open to rebuttal. If the person submitting the opinion cloaks his self in the garb of expertise, then he has to be prepared for criticism if he presents a patently unprofessional analysis.

You've questioned the motives of the originator of this thread, but what about the motives of the "expert" who provided a "professional" opinion--without bothering to actually examine the product?

[Yoshi Mori]

Wow, Yoshi Mori, having seen only two of your three posts on this site so far, you've really added to the discussion.

I assume that you are being sarcastic, and I can't really argue with the criticism. My posts haven't offered any objective information about these speakers; I've never heard them and am far from a car audio expert. My off-topic posts are intended to defend the idea of a dissenting voice. We're all smart enough to weigh the merits of various opinions, but we need to hear/read them before they can be weighed.

I dunno, I just feel it's necessary to point out an ass when I see one. People should be embarrassed when they post stupid crap like that.

Fair enough. But please express your disagreement without attacking the poster and implying that they have no business here.

I strongly believe in this as a general principal. However, it's also entirely appropriate to point out that this "reviewer" appears to have no experience with the specific product that he's writing about. In fact, he has weighed in claiming to be an expert. It would be useful to hear opinions about these speakers (pro and con) from people who've actually heard them.

If the country of origin is the entire basis for an opinion on a product, then that opinion is certainly open to rebuttal. If the person submitting the opinion cloaks his self in the garb of expertise, then he has to be prepared for criticism if he presents a patently unprofessional analysis.

You've questioned the motives of the originator of this thread, but what about the motives of the "expert" who provided a "professional" opinion--without bothering to actually examine the product?

I quoted your entire post because I agree with everything you've said. (Edit: Except your misspelling of principle - heh heh)

[ILoveDogs]

Well, let me just say that I own a surround sound setup of the Rocket speakers. I think that they are great. Maybe I'm not an audiophile, but I think they represent a great value for the performance (bang for the buck). Yes, they are put together in China, what isn't these days. Check out the av123.com forums for more info and satisfied customers. The owner is frequently on the site to talk about his product and answer questions. Try to find that on most other manufacturers' sites. I've been more than satisfied with my purchase, but each to there own. My only point is, if you haven't heard them, don't go throwing them in a generic pile with other Chinese made speakers.

[Yoshi Mori]

Well, let me just say that I own a surround sound setup of the Rocket speakers. I think that they are great.

That is useful information - thank you.

Please don't insult "new" posters on this forum in the future.

[Jcranmer]

Ok this is an odd thread. Is it just me or are there alot more then the "normal" amount of new people posting in this one? Not that that's bad, it just seems unusual.

[gwilks98]

Ok this is an odd thread. Is it just me or are there alot more then the "normal" amount of new people posting in this one? Not that that's bad, it just seems unusual.

I'd like to know if this character made his way over here, who got banned on audioholics for spouting out crap like this:
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums...50&postcount=5

Oh, what I'd give to find out everyone's IP.

But please express your disagreement without attacking the poster and implying that they have no business here.

Fair enough, the attack was against forum rules and I shouldn't have done that. (Felt damn good though.)
But to be fair, I did not imply he/she had no business here, I just asked why he/she was here if only to bring nasty criticism of deals.

Enjoy your life.