i just had to say something cuz it was really funny. ok, my girl's b-day party and we all go to this club in phili. on the way back and four of us all crammed in my little eclipse we pull up to this vanilla ice looking guy in a '00 civic si. nice car, etc but he tries to race. i was in 5th gear!!!! and i still pulled on him. dang, i thought for sure with his supar loud exhaust, and him downshifting that he would pull but i kept pulling on him in 5th gear and four people in my car. yeah given my sister and the chosenfool is a combined weight of maybe 95lbs but my girlfriend is a tall 140lbs. not to mention all the stereo stuff in my car. i weighed my wires only at 38lbs once. what was even more funny was that at every light, v-ice looking guy kept trying to race. time and time again i would work him. apex? kinda like that time you passed the sentra and 240 eh?