My perpetual motion/electrical generation device

[TheLoneGunman]

Feel free to pick this apart (although I prefer that Sue not continue to refer to my anatomy or sexual habits)


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Basically, there is a big sealed system (to prevent evaporation). There is a huge tub of water in the bottom then a big tube with a vacuum on the left hand that draws the water up and over. It then flows down on the right through a waterwheel which generates power and then the water flows back into the tub.

The vacuum doesn't require power as it is constantly filled with water. The water wheel is driven by the gravity accelerated water.

Therefore, this closed system should continuously generate power.

[stupidzbu]

how do you get it started?

[hapoo]

roflmao
someone needs to take a couple physics/chemistry classes.

[stupidzbu]

what i meant was... a perpertual motion machine.. from what i know.. doesn't require any energy....

you need energy to form a vacuum to draw up the water...

how can you have perpetual motion.. if you require energy to start the vacuum?

[BADFlSH]

Is it a vacuum or a siphon? The vacuum thing I have no idea about, but if it’s a siphon then the end of the tube that the water exits from must be lower then the end where the water enters. That wouldn't really work if you just have one tub.

[TheLoneGunman]

Thanks for your input so far...

1. In my opinion, perpetual motion refers to it going forever, not that it takes no work to start it.

2. Siphon and vacuum are basically the same. The vacuum creates the siphon effect.

3. The vacuum can be created either by sucking out all the air (difficult) or simply completely filling with water (which will create a vacuum when drained)

4. You are correct, I need to adjust the tub to make it above the wheel. I am thinking of a long thin cylinder. This way the water will be forced up and eventually it will be higher than the outlet of the hose above the wheel.

[ArkiStan]

I think all plans for perpetual motion machines seem so simple and doable until you find the very small glitch that makes all of them supposedly "impossible."

I think the glitch here is that the end of the water tube where the water is released must be lower than the other end of the tube. If the tub is at the bottom, then the releasing end of the tube must be even lower, and then that water must re-enter the tub, which is hard if it must re-enter at a lower point that the surface of the water.....I can't even understand what I wrote, but just intuitively, it doesn't seem like it would work. But I'm not sure what you meant with the whole vacuum/siphon deal so I could be wrong.

If it worked, such a simple device would probably have been invented already. But I admire your scientific effort. Let us know if it works or not.

[hapoo]

Asuming your definition of perpetual motion is a machine that given a limited input of energy continues to work there is almost no way you could create such a thing due to the fact that all forms of energy end up as heat one way or another and heat leaks out if not through matter then through light (infrared)

[ArkiStan]

Now looking back at your thread title, I noticed it ways, "My perpetual motion/electrical generation device." Wow...a perpetual motion machine itself is impossible enough, but you're also generating electricity?? If that worked, it would be the greatest invention in the history of mankind.

[MrBehm]

I WILL get the last post of the early morning.

[hapoo]

Originally posted by MrBehm
I WILL get the last post of the early morning.

Stop with the useless posts... people have been banned for less.

[TheLoneGunman]

When exactly does the "early morning" end?

[ironchef]

Wow! I was just thinking about the same exact fargin topic!

My idea was slightly different, but along the same lines. I was sitting in the ferry terminal on Saturday and staring at the perpetual motion office toys in the gift shop. Like the kind with dolpins that keep jumping and hitting the ball..

Anyway, what I thought was that something this simple could be used to generate electricity (granted, on a much larger and more accurate scale), at least intuitively. It used magnets to keep the motion going. It would of course require a kick start, and occasional re-starting because of a possible tremor or whatever.

It sounds so simple, so naturally I'm thinking that it should've been invented already. But still, could imagine the result of such a device?! Anybody read Atlas Shrugged? There was a great power-generating device thought up in that one. It somehow converted static electricity to other forms and was completely self-contained. Bloody cool stuff.

[hoey222]

here's a question that may foul things up.

what state is water in when in a vacuum? gas, liquid or solid.

i believe it becomes a gas, making it very difficult to power a water wheel.

[zenbooty]

Yes, this device fails in that it requires water to be added to the system, or transported from below the tub (if this vacuum is not powered). This is an expense of energy in order to add potential energy to the system, which breaks the rules of a continuous motion machine.

I've seen a few attempts made at designing machines utilizing magnets, usually involving dragging a metal ball up some inclined track, and then having it fall down at the end of the track, providing an energy release that can be harnessed. They all have failed in that the designer fails to account that any magnet strong enough to drag the ball up the track would be too strong to let the ball fall in the end.