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    Xbox hands on

    One of the houses here on campus got an Xbox demo unit for two days and I just saw it up close on a 68 inch tv. Here are my thoughts:

    The unit itself is bigger than any system produced. It's an impressive looking machine though. The controllers are pretty big and though all the buttons are within a decent reach, it's a bit big for my hands. I bet you'd get used to it, but it feels uncomfortable initially.

    I saw Halo and Munch's Oddessy. Both look really good. I'm not going to comment on my problems of playing Halo or any FPS on a console, but Halo looked good. The graphics were sharp and the game played fast. Loading times were pretty nonexistant within levels. Sweet game though.

    Munch's Oddessy was ok. The movies were sweet, but that's not why I buy games. The gameplay itself was decent, though I only saw the intro level.

    In all, I'm impressed by the XBox's capabilities. However, I'm still not convinced it's going to do well. It might kick ass here in the US. But the GAMES are what matters. I'm not sure about the launch titles and there's little support from the top japanese game makers, which a console needs to survive. The XBox's launch titles are not as impressive as the Gamecube's, which is the reason why I ordered a GC rather than an XBox.

    The Xbox has the power, no doubt about that. However, it doesn't have the killer game that it needs to make a big splash early on. The PS2 had Madden 2001 and SSX. The GC has Star Wars Rogue Squad 2, Wave Race, Pikmin, and Monkey Ball. The N64 had Mario 64. The DC had Soul Calibur. Microsoft is gambling that Halo will be it's killer app.

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    How would you compare it to the PS2? I saw it in toys R us, and wasn't impressed at all. Besides the hardware being horrible IMO (my non-gamer friend saw the size of the console and asked if it doubled as a time machine!), I wasn't impressed with the graphics.

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    Hmm interesting. I also ordered a gamecube, don't know if I am gonna keep it or sell it on ebay though. Made $800 last year selling a PS2. But I am looking forward to "Super Smash Brothers: Melee" man the original for N64 is just so fun.

    But anyways is halo coming out for PC? I hate FPS on a console, so I think they would be missing a great thing if it didn't come out for pc, but I can't find ( or haven't tried enough to) any info about a PC release. Anyone know?
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    I think we are in the prime age of the PS2. In the past few months look at the games the PS2 has:

    Crazy Taxi - whoopee, but it's a start
    Time Crisis 2 - The best gun game hands down
    Devil May Cry
    Ace Combat 4
    Grand Theft Auto 3
    Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3
    Madden 2002
    Spy Hunter
    Kessen 2
    Silent Hill 2
    ICO
    Res Evil Code Veronica X
    NBA Street
    Red Faction
    Twisted Metal Black

    With Metal Gear Solid 2, Final Fantasy X, and others on deck, it's an amazing year for the PS2.

    If you're talking about size though, I think it's about 25-50% bigger than the PS2. The graphics are sharper than the PS2, but I think they could get better. Remember Halo's been in development for an eternity so the graphics are getting dated quickly.

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    Originally posted by Kacarp
    Hmm interesting. I also ordered a gamecube, don't know if I am gonna keep it or sell it on ebay though. Made $800 last year selling a PS2. But I am looking forward to "Super Smash Brothers: Melee" man the original for N64 is just so fun.

    But anyways is halo coming out for PC? I hate FPS on a console, so I think they would be missing a great thing if it didn't come out for pc, but I can't find ( or haven't tried enough to) any info about a PC release. Anyone know?
    I think there's going to be some awesome games for the GC, especially with multiplayer games.

    I believe Bungie promised Halo for PC, but not until 2002. Expect the same delay that Red Faction had between the PS2 version and when it was released for PC.

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    Re: Xbox hands on

    Originally posted by gear02
    The unit itself is bigger than any system produced.
    Thats exactly one of my theories of how and why the xbox will fail badly. The console is just hideously big. Its cool how M$ tried to make it the size of regular home theater components, but if you are, MAKE it look like one, don't make the dimensions and make it scream "I PLAY VIDEO GAMES!!!" I'm sure M$ has a good quality system but a lot of the trends of video game consoles for the last 30 years has nothing good looking to the x-box. Here are my tired but true points: [list=1][*]No killer ap- Sure there is halo and DoA that look fantastic, but honestly its nothing gamers are dying to have. For the PS2 GT3 need I say more? I bought the system in February in hopes to get the game in March, but the bastids kept delaying it. BOY OH BOY was it worth the wait. Gamecube, well being a diehard, lifetime fan (trying to be as little biased as possible ) who honestly can hate mario and zelda games? Be true and honest to yourself, they are fun to play no matter what your age is. The biggest and greatest thing about the N64 was multiplayer games, this was and still is the best party machine. And that is the reason I will have my 64 for a looooong time not collecting dust but burning electrons away.[*]controller sucks donkey ballage- Well this used to be little of a topic, but now ever since nintendo and genesis started competing in the "how many buttons can we jam in one controller?" contest, controllers have become very important. It basically led the saturn to its grave followed by the dreamcast (wtf was up with the wire coming out of the bottom?!?! Try to be different in a helpful way is all I can say. . . ). Then Sony made arguably one of the most classic controllers followed by nintedo's (leetle small for us big americans) ergonomic and intuitive controller. And now we look at the next gen console controllers. Sony, good if it ain't broke, don't fook with it. Gamecube, I tried it out personally, its seriously amazing, after 10 minutes of play it felt like I knew the controller for a long time. The xbox, I have not encountered first hand, but I have only heard of bad things of it. [*]Big size- okay sure M$ is true to its American heritage of bigger=better, but look at the trend M$. People like their consoles smaller not really that we can control it, but look at the systems of their time, smaller than the compeitors (yeah, yeah, I'm sure I'm wrong but it is somewhat true like the ps one). But why else did Sony make the ps2 able to be used vertical? Smaller footprint. Thats the reason they built the smaller ps one to push more sales on the "neat-o" factor. The SNES was a lot smaller than the NES and reviewers raved about that, the same followed to the N64 and now the Gamecube.[*]Japan won't support US product- This is going to be the biggest nail in M$'s coffin. Japan has a hard sell on US products. Take for instance the Atari Jaguar (mostly US blood from what I knew and recal) BOY OH BOY what a stinkah. It was the most powerful system in its prime, but nay say was the word from Japan. Since Japan is always the first to recieve the new junk, they most likely (but who knows) won't give a big w00t about the x-box. Without top Japanese software companies then supporting the x-box, its left in no man's land.
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    Oh man. . . I didn't mean to ramble on like this. . . but if you survived this far, I thank you for taking the time to listening to me bark about crap. Anyhoooo, this is my prediction that any of you all can hold against me for the rest of my life here on Got|Apex?. I predict that the Sony PS2 will be the top next gen system until the 256 breed come along. The x-box will fade in two-three years. The Game Cube will last like the N64, barely but there in its niche market. Again, hold it agaisnt me when I am wrong but that is my prediction. Aight, enough for now.

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    I still want my blasted Dreamcast!! I want it but i'm broke, bah... hehe "donkey ballage"... good one spigs.

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    my only problem with the DC controller was the length of the cord. it was WAY too short. I mean , my NES has a longer cord than the DC does. It took me about a day of playing THPS2 to get used to that controller....

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    more thoughts

    Went back and actually played a few games, rather than watching people and holding a controller in my hand.

    I played NFL Fever since I think of myself as a football game connisseur (and I bought my PS2 solely upon seeing madden 2001). The game moves very smoothly and the animations are much better than Madden 2002. My only problem is that for some reason, I felt like I was playing NFL Blitz, only without the crazy tackles. I don't know, I felt the gameplay was a bit simplistic. I couldn't pan around before the play to see the players off the screen. I couldn't really see the coverage of the DBs. However, I think I could see myself playing it. It's not that bad, but I don't think it's a simulation, rather more of an arcade game.

    I also played NHL Hitz 2002. I know this game will be on all the systems so I'm not going to say anything about the Xbox, but rather the game. It's basically NBA Jam on skates. Three players on each side with all out checking. Surprisingly, there wasn't that much scoring, but that could have been me. The controls are decent, though I think they could be much sharper. However, the funniest thing was that the fights were much more fun than the actual game. Heck, they could make it a game by itself.

    The Xbox is gone now, and after a first hand look, I'm still not impressed. Even though the people here played Halo till 5AM, and they actually FINISHED it, they all said that the game was great, BUT it will be better on PC. NFL fever is playable, but it's no need to buy the XBox for that game when Madden 2002 and NFL2k2 are available on the PS2. The only game I would consider buying the Xbox for is Dead or Alive 3, but fighting games aren't my thing. Overall, the games is what matters, and though I would like nothing else than to go in debt and get an XBox, I still see no reason to getting one.

    Expect a Gamecube review from me after Thanksgiving.
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    That X-Box controler is way too freakin big! I mean who the heck did they make that for anyways, King Kong? I love my Dreamcast but it's going to get killed off to make way for the Game Cube so I can review it myself. Plus I've been waiting to try out my Gameboy Advance off of it too.

    I'm sure the X-Box will make a big showing at first but I can't see it holding out like Sony and Nintendo.
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    I think one of the things that really pushed the original PS was the ability to copy games (not that i'm endorsing that type of thing). GC has really put an end to that with the new disc format, I think if they want to succeed they should really lower the price of games. After all their number one excuse for the price was piracy, now that thats over they should have no excuses for the 75 dollar price tags. The Xbox on the other hand is begging for Mod's left and right, being practically a PC should help it out, not to mention almost anyone can make a game for it, no licensing needed.

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    gamecube may not have really done anything to stop piracy. i say MAY because you cant look at the size of the disk, but the format of the disc. if you think about it, it wasnt all that easy to copy n64 or snes games before the game cube. if anything it has become easier to copy now that it is on an optical format as opposed to the more expensive to reproduce carterage format. even DC tried to slow down piracy by making a format different from what most were used to, but that didnt stop anything. if GC is a dvd based format, then all we have to do is wait for dvd writable drives to become mainstream and the problem of not being able to copy GC games will be over.

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    hmm...the problem is that gc discs are 3 inches in diameter. I think they make mini-dvds, but I'm not sure those are in the same format as those the gc uses.

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    Originally posted by hapoo
    After all their number one excuse for the price was piracy, now that thats over they should have no excuses for the 75 dollar price tags.
    Where have you been buying games man? You've been getting riped off!!

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    The GC discs are 80mm 1.5GB discs. looks very much like mini dvds. they are the exact same size as those small cd's, like the ones used in some sony digital cameras and used for promotional items. they fit perfectly in a cd\dvd drive tray, so i wouldnt be too surprised that it is a 80mm dvd. it doesnt really matter what file system GC discs use, as long as they can be read and written to with a dvd laser, it can be copied.

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    interesting...

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    Originally posted by M_A_C


    Where have you been buying games man? You've been getting riped off!!
    yeah i'm exagerating but you get the point. As for the GC, the only hope you have of copying games is if it IS based on DVD and uses the same laser wavelength etc

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    Originally posted by hapoo
    As for the GC, the only hope you have of copying games is if it IS based on DVD and uses the same laser wavelength etc
    didnt think about wavelength, but exactly. this got me thinking... the japanese GC which will be made by panasonic will also play dvds. while it is possible for panasonic to design in two lasers, like sony does in thier high end dvd players, there is a good chance they wont. anyone know where i can find technical specs for the GC??

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    you can find normal specs on the GC like at ign.com or places like that, but as to what kind of laser wavelength I have no idea.

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    according to ign the GC uses a proprietary dvd format. doesnt say much about wavelength, maybe the box itself would say.

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    Hmm interesting Xbox launch, check out this pic:


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    It was so pathetic how the rock was just selling out

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    If the rock teamed up with Nintendo or Sony would it be also selling out?

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    really, the guy is a business man and entertainer. hes not really the rock in real life. thats a charecter

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    Dude, i dont even watch wrestling, I just happened to see him on tv pushing the xbox and his sales pitch was just ridiculous! Wait, i dont remember if it was the rock or tony hawk. And yes it would have been selling out if he teamed up with nintendo or sony with a pathetic act like that.

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    Originally posted by hapoo
    It was so pathetic how the rock was just selling out
    He IS a proffesional wreslter. . . so how much more selling out is really possible. OY, proffesional wrestling. . . thats a fad of the 80's that should of been kept in the grave. HOW the hell did it make such a strong comeback could this country be getting that stupid?

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    Originally posted by spigidygak


    thats a fad of the 80's that should of been kept in the grave.


    Amen

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    Got my XBox
    popped in Halo and woke up 5 hours later. The graphics arn't as good as i expected but their ok, it IS fun and i'm pretty impressed that they actually got an FPS on a console without a mouse and keyboard. As far as being "The Best FPS", I think Max Payne was much better.

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    What're you GC and PS2 fanboys smokin? Do you even own the Xbox? Apparently not or you wouldn't be bitchin. First of all, the reason the Xbox's graphics doesn't look overly impressive at the demo kiosks is because Microsoft blundered in using a cheap TV. I played Halo, Project Gotham Racing, and Dead or Alive 3 over the weekend on my 35 inch Sony Trinitron TV and the games kick ass. There are no PS2 or GC games that can touch DOA3's visuals. All three games that I bought has great game plays.
    For the PS2 fans, enjoy your moment until next year when the Xbox's second generation games come out and developers are able to tape into the box's power. You can kiss your antiquated PS2 good bye. Don't forget to use the verticle stand and your PS2 as one of a bookends.
    As for you GC fans, you're full of crap. The GC has dung for a launch lineup. You've got what, four games? Ooohhhh. Stop slamming the Xbox's line up just because you're jealous of it.
    I used to be a Nintendo fan until I got the shaft with the Nintendo 64. The games were crap and it was help back becaue of Nintendo's short sightedness in using the cartridge. Now the big N has done it again with their proprietary disk format. In the long run, the GC is going to be held back becaue of its lack of storage capacity.

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    yup...the basic xbox fanboy response: "f*ck you stupid ps2 and gc people cause xbox rulez!!!"

    yup...gotta love that educated response.

    Perhaps you can enlighten us with what second generation Xbox games you refer to?

    By the way, if I had the money I would buy an Xbox, but not right now. $500 for DOA3 is too much since Halo is coming out on PC anyway. I bought a GC and I am disappointed by the launch titles. But it's the games in the near future I'm looking for. Jealous? Nah. Interested? Yes. Impressed? No.

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