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    Post the mac invasion begins

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    Virtual PC Is Virtually Perfect
    By Dave Horrigan

    2:00 a.m. Jan. 2, 2002 PST


    Over the last few months a new trend has emerged: More and more Windows users are changing over to a Mac.

    For the most part, PC users are confident they are making the correct decision, but occasionally, they have serious concerns about whether they will be able to open files and do business on a Mac without a lot of hassles.

    The fact is, there are very few commercial PC programs that don't have a Mac equivalent. But even though the Mac applications can replace or even surpass the PC apps, much of the time changing over to a cross-platform application isn't practical because of the expense or retraining it requires.

    But this situation no longer prevents anyone from changing over to a Mac. Mac users now have Virtual PC 5.0.

    Virtual PC 5.0 from Connectix (prices range from $80 to $200) shipped last week and contains some cool new features.

    First of all, Virtual PC allows you to install a Microsoft, Linux or IBM operating system on your Mac. VPC tricks the guest operating system into thinking your Mac is a PC so you can actually run PC programs.

    VPC 5 takes it one step further and will run up to 11 different operating systems on your Mac all at once -—providing you have OS X as one of those operating systems.

    You can load DOS, Linux, OS 2, Windows 2000, 95, 98, ME, XP Home and Pro, and of course OS X and Mac OS 9. You can run any combination; RAM is the only limiting factor. While this trick has other uses, the popular purpose is to impress people who have trouble running just one operating system on their PC. And it really is impressive.

    Of course, that isn't the only nifty trick VPC 5 can do. For example, installing Windows XP on VPC 5 takes about 15 minutes. Some PC professionals have spent days, even weeks, installing XP on their boxes.

    VPC 5 is cleverly designed so that if you change back and forth from Mac OS 9 to X you don't need to install two versions. You just install VPC5 in OS X and create an alias for it in OS 9.

    When using OS 9, VPC has all but two of the features it has in OS X—multiprocessor support and virtual switch, which lets you network among the different operating systems running on your machine. This enables a network manager to create a Windows server on your Mac and test how well different Windows clients can access it. Since more and more IT pros are toting PowerBooks these days, this is a handy feature.

    But since most people wanting to use VPC 5 are not network administrators, Connectix went to great lengths to make it friendly to the more casual user.

    The "undoable drives" feature is a good example. With VPC 5, the user has the option of undoing any session, even across reboots of Windows itself. For example, if you install a Windows application and it starts acting up -- or if you download an infected file -- you just undo the session and everything reverts to the way it was when you started. This feature is not yet available on regular Windows machines.

    VPC 5 has numerous other improvements. You can now drag the VPC window to any size you like, which is much more convenient than changing Windows' screen resolution. VPC 5 also offers support for Pocket PC devices as well as many USB devices and printers. If you have a DVD drive, it will now allow your Mac to read DVD Data formatted disks. And of course, most importantly, VPC 5 is faster than previous versions.

    With the advent of this new version, PC users have no problem crossing over to the Mac. It's one thing to tell PC users that a Mac is better, but to show them that even a PC is better when it runs on a Mac really drives the point home.
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    I don't agree with all of that. Yes, some programs for Macs are superior to PC programs, but I wouldn't even say that goes for the majority.

    Macs are far too specialized. If they really want to break into the market big, they're going to have to widen their audience a little bit.
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    Originally posted by cpugeek04
    widen thier audience to include gamers
    Not just that... Some of their programs are pretty sh1tty. Like Hyperstudio... I'll take Powerpoint over that anyday.
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    Originally posted by Ladogaboy


    Not just that... Some of their programs are pretty sh1tty. Like Hyperstudio... I'll take Powerpoint over that anyday.
    hyperstudio was actually far superior to powerpoint...just not for pc. too bad they don't make it anymo
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    I hope the invasion begins soon. What has their worldwide marketshare drop to this year? 2.8% for 2001 was it?

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    Re: the mac invasion begins

    Originally posted by mojorisin
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    Virtual PC Is Virtually Perfect
    By Dave Horrigan

    2:00 a.m. Jan. 2, 2002 PST


    Of course, that isn't the only nifty trick VPC 5 can do. For example, installing Windows XP on VPC 5 takes about 15 minutes. Some PC professionals have spent days, even weeks, installing XP on their boxes.
    Uh...PC "professionals" spent weeks installing a Microsoft OS? This article isn't biased or anything...

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    sure, some will people will be changing over. maybe even at a higher rate than normal. but i don't thinnk my PC is going tobe obsolete because of Mac growth. i don't care if they can "show them that even a PC is better when it runs on a Mac." there's no place for a Mac in most PC user's homes and hearts.

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    Re: Re: the mac invasion begins

    Originally posted by passwird


    Uh...PC "professionals" spent weeks installing a Microsoft OS? This article isn't biased or anything...
    A pro-Mac anti-Microsoft article biased? No way. You should be branded a heretic for even questioning the obvious superiority of Steve Jobs' product. All hail Steve Jobs.

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    Re: Re: Re: the mac invasion begins

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    A pro-Mac anti-Microsoft article biased? No way. You should be branded a heretic for even questioning the obvious superiority of Steve Jobs' product. All hail Steve Jobs.
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: the mac invasion begins

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    Originally posted by Apex
    I hope the invasion begins soon. What has their worldwide marketshare drop to this year? 2.8% for 2001 was it?
    i said "invasion" because it sounds so much better than "shot in the dark" or "last ditch effort"
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    The M_A_C invasion begins!

    Yeah! Here I come!!!
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    Oh, your talking about computers or something, damn.

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    The thing that gets me is if OSx is such a great OS, why does everyone have to load other OSs? Why not save some money & just keep using your PC if you're just going to load XP anyway?

    That's like selling a program that translates all of your text into German, then back into English so everyone can read it....


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    Originally posted by Jeffbx
    The thing that gets me is if OSx is such a great OS, why does everyone have to load other OSs? Why not save some money & just keep using your PC if you're just going to load XP anyway?

    That's like selling a program that translates all of your text into German, then back into English so everyone can read it....

    that's what i've been saying all along! if windows is such a great OS, then why does it hog up all your resources and force you to upgrade your hardware to keep up with the OS, only to find out that by the time you can really afford new hardware, you no longer have the "latest and greatest" OS anymore? that's like translating your money into bill gates' money and then back into...well, not back at all...
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    Originally posted by mojorisin
    that's like translating your money into bill gates' money and then back into...well, not back at all...
    It's like translating all your money to Bill's money, then to CRAP.
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    speaking of this...my friend is thinking about buying an ibook.
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    Re: Re: Re: the mac invasion begins

    Originally posted by Apex


    A pro-Mac anti-Microsoft article biased? No way. You should be branded a heretic for even questioning the obvious superiority of Steve Jobs' product. All hail Steve Jobs.
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    With the Mac using a Unix based OS it has much more opertunity to expand it's market share. If I has the money even I would consider buying one.

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    Re: Re: the mac invasion begins

    Originally posted by passwird


    Uh...PC "professionals" spent weeks installing a Microsoft OS? This article isn't biased or anything...
    my friend took an hour or so to install XP on his 400 Mhz machine...so i agree w/ PW

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    Originally posted by Jeffbx
    The thing that gets me is if OSx is such a great OS, why does everyone have to load other OSs? Why not save some money & just keep using your PC if you're just going to load XP anyway?

    That's so if you are making the changeover to Mac, you don't have to buy all new software for it, you can just use your PC version.

    BTW Ladogaboy, you can buy MS Office for Mac. Powerpoint runs great on it.
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    Just for giggles this past weekend I went into the Mac Store in South Coast Plaza to prod the sales staff a bit.

    First I ooh'd and ahh'd over the new iMac and asked them what flavors it would come in. They explained that it would be available in every color of the rainbow and that a special edition with hippie flowers on it would be available in the spring (naturally).

    Then I told them how I loved to play video games and asked which Mac would be best for playing games. All of a sudden the salesman dropped the daisy he was holding, the John Lennon CD skipped and the group of soccer mom's in the back gasped in horror. "You want to do what?" he asked. "Play video games.", I told him. "That 'Return To Castle Wolfenstien' looks really cool."

    The next thing I know the Mac Mafia has me surrounded. After giving me a group hug they explained that Lord Steve had decreed that Mac's would only be used for the sharing of knowledge, thinking differently and other warm and fuzzy endeavors. I was told that violent video games were the filth that soiled their perfect Mac paradise.

    "Ah. I see.", I told them. "Maybe I should just get one of those new Compaq's. They come in cool colors too, and I heard you could play video games on them."

    Oops. Insert "Foot A" into "Mouth B". Some beatnik chic next to me darn near threw her latte at me and the soccer mom's hissed "Infidel!" in near perfect unison. Spooky.

    Luckily I was able to keep my wit's about me. I jutted my finger towards that back of the store and yelled, "Hey, isn't that Woz?" Sure enough they forgot all about me rushed for where I had pointed. I high-tailed it out of there and decided not to try any more damn-fooled stunts like that again.

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    One things that PC's will always win out on a Mac is the second mouse button. I have Unreal Tourney on the Mac, and it looks freaking awesome, but I can't play it because of my one mouse button. Everyone knows you need atleast 3 mouse buttons to play first person shooters, and especially not a mouse where you have to press the whole thing down to click!



    Looks cool though!
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    Originally posted by EsDeeLoco
    BTW Ladogaboy, you can buy MS Office for Mac. Powerpoint runs great on it.
    Okay, that's good to know. Although it is probably academic, because I'll probably always have a PC, even when I do get a Mac.

    Oh, and mojo, I've only really had one chance to work on HyperStudio, and from what I saw, it is no where near as dynamic or powerful as PowerPoint. Maybe I'm just more used to PowerPoint, but I was completely unimpressed with HyperStudio.
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    Originally posted by EsDeeLoco
    Looks cool though!
    Yes, looks can be deceiving.



    If apple wants to really make it in the computer industry, they need to start selling computers instead of see-through plastic fruit.
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    You can always get a mouse with more buttons. That's what my friend did.
    I think Macs do have the hardware, but they aren't priced competitively. I don't see any justification to pay over 1k for a computer system. And iMacs aren't computers.

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