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    Girl of famed photo located

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    The beautiful and previously anonymous Afghan girl featured in one of the past century's most enduring portrait photographs -- and what became National Geographic magazine's most famous cover image -- has been found living in a remote area of eastern Afghanistan.

    She's weathered and aged from a life of poverty but still has the same haunting green eyes.

    The award-winning photographer who took her picture during a five-minute session in a Pakistan refugee camp in 1984, Steve McCurry, led a team from National Geographic that tracked her down in January. The magazine announced the discovery Tuesday and identified her as Sharbat Gula, perhaps 29 or 30 years old today -- she isn't sure of her age -- the mother of three girls and the wife of a baker. ''The instant I saw her, I knew that this was the Afghan girl,'' McCurry says. ''Her eyes still have that penetrating sort of look, that kind of intensity.''

    Her life over the years has been marred by the death of a child, the loss of her parents during the Afghan war with the Soviet Union and poverty. ''I wouldn't characterize her as having lived a happy life,'' McCurry says.

    It was news to Sharbat Gula that the photograph taken years before had been so widely distributed and elicited such an overwhelming response, McCurry says.

    ''I don't think a day has gone by in the last 17 years that I haven't gotten some kind of a letter or e-mail or a phone call request, people wanting to send her money and people wanting to adopt her, letters from men wanting to find her and marry her,'' he says.

    ''It's certainly the most memorable image that we have ever published,'' says William Allen, editor in chief of National Geographic, which has a circulation of nearly 10 million. ''I have been asked hundreds of times, whatever happened to that girl, the one with the green eyes?''

    Originally shot for an article about life along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, the photo has been compared in iconic significance to such other famous 20th-century images as the Iwo Jima flag-raising photograph of World War II by Joe Rosenthal; the fatal shooting of Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald captured on film by Dallas Times Herald photographer Bob Jackson; and W. Eugene Smith's picture of a child crippled by industrial poisoning being bathed by her mother in Japan.

    David Schonauer, editor in chief of American Photo magazine, says the brilliance of the Afghan girl lies in how it is essentially a glamour image of a refugee child -- what seems a contradiction. Added to this, he says, is the girl's inexplicable expression.

    ''It's a little bit like the Mona Lisa,'' Schonauer says. ''You don't really know what she's thinking; is she scared, is she fierce, is she bewildered, is she ambivalent, is she confident about her beauty? You can look at it and get a different feeling about it every time. A picture has got to have something like that if it's going to last.''

    McCurry, 51, a freelance photographer who owns the rights to the photo, says that because he didn't have an interpreter on the day the photo was taken, he never got the girl's name. It wasn't until he was back in Washington, D.C., developing the film that he fully realized its unusual significance. The photo was published in January 1985. ''It was one of those incredible, amazing moments in photography where everything comes together,'' he says.

    But he wasn't able to find her again. He mounted a concerted effort in January when the refugee camp in Pakistan where she was originally photographed, and where leads on her whereabouts might still exist, was slated to be razed. He tracked a number of leads, all of them fruitless, until an intermediary finally arranged a meeting with Sharbat Gula.

    McCurry says the woman, who is a conservative Pashtun, sought her husband's permission to lift the veil of her burqa in order to show her face for photographs to be taken. Later, sophisticated iris recognition tools and FBI facial identification techniques were used on the photographs of her then and now to verify they had the right woman.

    He and the magazine are keeping the woman's exact whereabouts a secret, saying this is what she and her husband requested. She was found somewhere between Jalalabad, Afghanistan, and the Pakistani border city of Peshawar. They are also working with the family to see how they might somehow benefit, financially or otherwise, from the global success of her image.

    ''We're in the process of talking about how we can do that,'' McCurry says.

    The story will be featured in the April issue of National Geographic, which subscribers receive this week and hits newstands April 1. It will also be detailed in a one-hour National Geographic Explorer documentary airing Friday at 9 p.m. ET on MSNBC. The National Geographic Society is creating the ''Afghan Girls Fund'' in response to the discovery, raising money for the education of Afghan girls.


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    was this guy SURE it was the same person? They resemble each other-but they have different noses. And the eye color is a bit off..hmmm..I dunno-maybe it's me but I don't think they are the same.I guess if the FBI says it's her, then it is..

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    I saw this on the Today show.

    Obby, they had someone compare the eyes. They match. Maybe it was broken?

    They have set up a fund for her children. She was asked by the magazine and the photographer what she wanted/needed and she said that she wanted her children to have an education. Also to take a trip to Maz-something or other (religious place) and they are going to help her.

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    i've never seen these picture in my life...

    but clean her up (either of the pictures) and she would be aestheticlly beautiful...

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    Her picture was the one used on all the National Geographic on CDROM packages.
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    i guess this is supposedly a famous image, but i had NEVER even seen it or heard mention of it before yesterday. i am somewhat "with-it" as far as current events go, and i am into photography, but somehow, it doesn't seem to be "that" famous.
    whatever the case, it's so sad from the standpoint that she was obviously a beautiful girl but after 20 years, she looks like she's 60. i mean, really......she's only 30. she should still be in the prime of her beauty. but instead, because of war, because of hunger, because of the life she's been forced to live, she looks battered, beaten, and old. it's unfortunate....

    i agree with obby.....the "new" her has a narrower nose with more of a "point" to it. also, the "new" her seems to have a wider jawbone.
    the lips and the groove under her nose (i don't know what you call that) looks identical, and her eyes look the same. but her forehead looks slightly different as well......

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    Although they obviously tried to pose the recent photo the same as the original, they didn't quite succeed. In the original, her head is turned slightly more toward the camera. The increased profile in the recent photo creates an apparent difference in the nose. The diffence in lighting (strong from the left side of the face in the original) also makes the comparison more difficult.
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    I'm suprised so many people have never seen this picture, Nat. Geo. uses it like everytime they advertise. I would think they would do more for her than give her kids an education and help her go on a pilgrimage. They've made enough money off her they should set her up fat.

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    yeah very famous picture..
    very beautiful woman.

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    Originally posted by Markel
    Her picture was the one used on all the National Geographic on CDROM packages.
    funny thing is....she wouldn't be a refugee if she originally signed a contract with NG, now she would be making mad cash off of royalties.

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    Her life over the years has been marred by the death of a child, the loss of her parents during the Afghan war with the Soviet Union and poverty. ''I wouldn't characterize her as having lived a happy life,'' McCurry says
    My nomination for understatement of the year, folks.

    letters from men wanting to find her and marry her,'' he says.
    Now that's just sick.
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    Originally posted by BigJon


    funny thing is....she wouldn't be a refugee if she originally signed a contract with NG, now she would be making mad cash off of royalties.
    If i'm correct, NG is not-for-profit. All the money they make is put into conservation and cultural progs, if I'm correct.
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    2nd one looks like a guy
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    also, facial proportins continue to change until the age of about 25. certain sinuses, especially, as well as the jawbone, are not done growing, and the contours of the face change.
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    Originally posted by molecularfire
    Now that's just sick.
    what's so sick about finding her attractive and thus wanting to marry her (although they have problems if they want to marry someone for their looks...)

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    Yep, I have always loved that picture. I love green eyes.
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    Originally posted by Nija


    what's so sick about finding her attractive and thus wanting to marry her (although they have problems if they want to marry someone for their looks...)

    I think the sick part comes in because she was only thirteen when that picture was taken.

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    i was just listening by chance to this song by REM and nat merchant. it seems to kinda go.
    Photograph (With Natalie Merchant)
    (By Merchant/Berry/Buck/Mills/Stipe)

    I found this photograph,
    Underneath the broken picture glass.
    Tender face of black and white
    Beautiful, a haunting sight.
    Looked into an angel's smile
    Captivated all the while.
    From the hair and clothes she wore
    I'd place her in between the wars.

    Was she willing when she sat
    And posed the pretty photograph?
    Save her flowering and fair
    The days to come, the days to share.
    A big smile for the camera
    How did she know?
    The moment could be lost forever
    Forever more

    I found this photograph
    Stashed between the old joist walls
    In a place where time is lost
    Lost behind, where all things fall.
    Broken books and calendars
    Letters script in careful hand
    Music too, a standard tune by
    Some forgotten big brass band.

    From the threshold what's to see
    Of our brave new century?
    The television's just a dream
    The radio, the silver screen.
    A big smile for the camera
    How did she know?
    The moment could be lost forever
    Forever more

    Was her childhood filled with rhymes
    Stolen hooks, impassioned crimes?
    Was she innocent or blind
    To the cruelty of her time?
    Was she fearful in her day
    Was she hopeful, did she pray?
    Were there skeletons inside
    Family secrets, sworn to hide?
    Did she feel the beat that stirs
    The fall from grace of wayward girls?
    Was she tempted to pretend
    The love and laughter, 'til the end?
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    Originally posted by Leon



    I think the sick part comes in because she was only thirteen when that picture was taken.
    You couldnt tell that by lookign at her. When she was thirteen she was already as weathered as a much older woman, I wouldnt have doubted you if you said she was 20 when that picture was taken.

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