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    Article by Joe McCain - Concerns Israel

    I was sent this email and I found it to be interesting so I thought i would share it with people. (And no unfortunately there is no link it was just in an email)

    Subj: Joe McCain (Senator McCain's brother)

    "NEVER AGAIN"
    There is a lot of worry popping up in the media just now -- "Can Israel Survive?"
    Don't worry about it. It relates to something that Palestinians, the Arabs, and perhaps most Americans don't realize -- the Jews are never going quietly again. Never. And if the world doesn't come to understand that millions of Arabs are going to die. It's as simple as that. Throughout the history of the world, the most abused, kicked-around race of people have been the Jews. Not just the holocaust of World War II, but for thousands of years. They have truly been "The Chosen People" in a terrible and tragic sense.

    The Bible story of Egypt's enslavement of the Jews is not just a story, it is history, if festooned with theological legend and heroic epics.
    In 70 A.D. the Romans, which had for a long time tolerated the Jews --even admired them as 'superior' to other vassals -- tired of their truculent demands for independence and decided on an early "Solution" to the Jewish problem. Jerusalem was sacked and reduced to near rubble, Jewish resistance was pursued and crushed by the implacable Roman War Machine -- see‘Masada’. And thus began The Diaspora, the dispersal of Jews throughout the rest of the world. Their homeland destroyed, their culture crushed, they looked desperately for the few niches in a hostile world where they could be safe.
    That safety was fragile, and often subject to the whims of moody hosts. The words 'pogrom', 'ghetto', and 'anti-Semitism' come from this treatment of the first mono-theistic people. Throughout Europe changing times meant sometimes tolerance, sometimes even warmth for the Jews, but eventually it meant hostility, then malevolence. There is not a country in Europe or Western Asia that at one time or another has not decided to lash out against the children of Moses, sometimes by whim, sometimes by manipulation. Winston Churchill calls Edward I one of England's very greatest kings. It was under his rule in the late 1200's that Wales and Cornwall were hammered into the British crown, and Scotland and Ireland were invaded and occupied. He was also the first European monarch to set up a really effective administrative bureaucracy, surveyed and censused his kingdom,established laws and political divisions. But he also embraced the Jews. Actually Edward didn't embrace Jews so much as he embraced their money. For the English Jews had acquired wealth -- understandable, because this people that could not own land or office, could not join most of the trades and professions, soon found out that money was a very good thing to accumulate. Much harder to take away than land or a store, was a hidden sock of gold and silver coins. Ever resourceful, Edward found a way -- he borrowed money from the Jews to finance imperial ambitions in Europe, especially France. The loans were almost certainly not made gladly, but how do you refuse your King? Especially when he is 'Edward the Hammer'. Then, rather than pay back the debt, Edward simply expelled the Jews. Edward was especially inventive -- he did this twice. After a time, he invited the Jews back to their English homeland, borrowed more money, then expelled them again.
    Most people do not know that Spain was one of the early entrants into The
    Renaissance. People from all over the world came to Spain in the late medieval period. All were welcome -- Arabs, Jews, other Europeans. The University of Salamanca was one of the great centers of learning in the world -- scholars of all nations, all fields came to Salamanca to share their knowledge and their ideas.
    But in 1492, Ferdinand and Isabella, having driven the last of Moors from the Spanish Shield, were persuaded by the righteous fundamentalists of the time to announce "The Act of Purification". A series of steps were taken in which all Jews and Arabs and other non-Christians were expelled from the country, or would face the tools and the torches of The Inquisition. From this ‘cleansing’ come the Sephardic Jews --- as opposed to the Ashkenazis or Eastern Europe.
    In Eastern Europe, the sporadic violence and brutality against Jews are common knowledge. 'Fiddler' without the music and the folksy humor. At times of fury, no accommodation by the Jew was good enough, no profile low enough, no village poor enough or distant enough. From these come the near-steady flow of Jews to the United States. And despite the disdain of the Jews by most 'American' Americans they came to grab the American Dream with both hands, and contributed everything from new ideas of enterprise in retail and entertainment to becoming some of our finest physicians and lawyers. The modern United States, in spite of itself, IS The United States in part because of its Jewish blood.
    Then the Nazi Holocaust -- the corralling, sorting, orderly eradication of millions of the people of Moses. Not something that other realms in other times didn't try to do, by the way, the Germans were just more organized and had better murder technology. I stood in the center of Dachau for an entire day, about 15 years ago, trying to comprehend how this could have happened. I had gone there on a side trip from Munich, vaguely curious about this Dachau. I soon became engulfed in the enormity of what had occurred there nestled in this middle and working class neighborhood. How could human beings do this to other human beings, hear their cries, their pleas, their terror, their pain, and continue without apparently even wincing? I no longer wonder. At some times, some places, ANY sect of the human race is capable of horrors against their fellow man, whether a member of the Waffen SS, a Serbian sniper, a Turkish policeman in 1920's Armenia, a Mississippi Klansman.
    Because even in the United States not all was a Rose Garden. For a long time Jews had quotas in our universities and graduate schools. Only so many Jews could be in a medical or law school at one time. Jews were disparaged widely. I remember as a kid Jewish jokes told without a wince -- "Why do Jews have such big noses?"
    Well, now the Jews have a homeland again. A place that is theirs. And that's the point. It doesn't matter how many times the United States and European powers try to rein in Israel, if it comes down to survival of its nation, its people, they will fight like no lioness has ever fought to save her cubs. They will fight with a ferocity, a determination, and a skill, that will astound us. And many will die, mostly their attackers, I believe. If there were a macabre historical betting parlor, my money would be on the Israelis to be standing at the end. As we killed the kamikazes and the Wehrmacht soldaten of World War II, so will the Israelis kill their suicidal attackers, until there are not enough to torment them. The irony goes unnoticed -- while we are hammering away to punish those who brought the horrors of last September here, we restrain the Israelis from the same retaliation. Not the same thing, of course -- We are We …they are they. While we mourn and seethe at September 11th, we don't notice that Israel has a September 11th sometimes every day. We may not notice, but it doesn't make any difference. And it doesn’t make any difference whether you are pro-Israeli or you think Israel is the bully of the Middle East. If it comes to where a new holocaust looms -- with or without the concurrence of the United States and Europe -- Israel will lash out without pause or restraint at those who would try to annihilate their country. The Jews will not go quietly again.

    Joe McCain
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    Originally posted by ufcrusher
    I The Jews will not go quietly again.
    NO WE WON'T

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    and more power too them, as long as they don't decide to pass on the stuff that was done to them onto other people.

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    Since the thread is started, I would like to add another speech,
    Floor Statement by Senator James Inhfe. I was exploring www.senate.gov website and found it.
    The reference to it can be found here: LINK


    PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST
    Senate Floor Statement by
    U.S. Sen. James M. Inhofe (R-Okla)


    March 4, 2002

    I was interested the other day when I heard that the de facto ruler, Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Abdullah, made a statement which was received by many in this country as if it were a statement of fact, as if it were something new, a concept for peace in the Middle East that no one had ever heard of before. I was kind of shocked that it was so well received by many people who had been down this road before.

    I suggest to you that what Crown Prince Abdullah talked about a few days ago was not new at all. He talked about the fact that under the Abdullah plan, Arabs would normalize relations with Israel in exchange for the Jewish state surrendering the territory it received after the 1967 Six-Day War as if that were something new. He went on to talk about other land that had been acquired and had been taken by Israel.

    [for more follow the link]

    The speech is pretty big, and I don't want to waste the space on this board.

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    Originally posted by hapoo
    and more power too them, as long as they don't decide to pass on the stuff that was done to them onto other people.

    Yeah as long as the "other people" that you are refering to continue the dirty job of Hitler, destroying Israel and the citizens.

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    These European countries like cozying up to Muslim countries cause they are afraid of them and they have large Arab populations. Hell some of their citizens were killed on 9/11 and the terrorists had plans to do attacks in Britain. They should be grateful we are taking the terrorists out. And if France can't control the Muslims now how the hell would they stop them from doing terrorism? And Israel just can't do anything right just like the US can't in their book. Its obvious that some of the criticism leveled towards Israel is not based on Israels actions but rather anti-Semitism.

    Its funny these European countries love to bash the US for not treating people right and being violent blah blah. And then you see this: Synagogues burn as Europeans rage
    Hypocrites.

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    Re: Re: Article by Joe McCain - Concerns Israel

    Originally posted by Kenas


    NO WE WON'T
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    The Europeans give their position on the whole situation



    So true.

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    *sigh*

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    If the Passover Story Were Reported by The New York Times or CNN"

    If the Passover Story Were Reported by The New York Times or CNN"
    by Daniel P. Waxman

    The cycle of violence between the Jews and the Egyptians continues with no end in sight in Egypt. After eight previous plagues that have destroyed the Egyptian infrastructure and disrupted the lives of ordinary Egyptian citizens, the Jews launched a new offensive this week in the form of the plague of darkness. Western journalists were particularly enraged by this plague. "It is simply impossible to report when you can't see an inch in front of you," complained a frustrated Andrea Koppel of CNN. "I have heard from my reliable Egyptian contacts that in the midst of the blanket of blackness, the Jews were annihilating thousands of Egyptians. Their word is solid enough evidence for me."
    While the Jews contend that the plagues are justified given the harsh slavery imposed upon them by the Egyptians, Pharaoh, the Egyptian leader, rebuts this claim. "If only the plagues would let up, there would be no slavery. We just want to live plague-free. It is the right of every society." Saeb Erekat, an Egyptian spokesperson, complains that slavery is justifiable given the Jews' superior weaponry supplied to them by the superpower God. The Europeans are particularly enraged by the latest Jewish offensive. "The Jewish aggression must cease if there is to be peace in the region. The Jews should go back to slavery for the good of the rest of the world," stated an angry French President Jacques Chirac. Even several Jews agree. Adam Shapiro, a Jew, has barricaded himself within Pharaoh's chambers to protect Pharaoh from what is feared will be the next plague, the death of the firstborn. Mr. Shapiro claims that while slavery is not necessarily a good thing, it is the product of the plagues and when the plagues end, so will the slavery. "The Jews have gone too far with plagues such as locusts and epidemic which have virtually destroyed the Egyptian economy," Mr. Shapiro laments.
    "The Egyptians are really a very nice people and Pharaoh is kind of huggable once you get to know him," gushes Shapiro. The United States is demanding that Moses and Aaron, the Jewish leaders, continue to negotiate with Pharaoh. While Moses points out that Pharaoh had made promise after promise to free the Jewish people only to immediately break them and thereafter impose harsher and harsher slavery, Richard Boucher of the State Department assails the latest offensive. "Pharaoh is not in complete control of the taskmasters," Mr. Boucher states. "The Jews must return to the negotiating table and will accomplish nothing through these plagues." The latest round of violence comes in the face of a bold new Saudi peace overture. If only the Jews will give up their language, change their names to Egyptian names and cease having male children, the Arab nations will incline toward peace with them, Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah declared.

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    The New York Times is just a high class "Rag", while CNN should be renamed the Communist News Network by it's United Nation's buddy/owner Ted Turner.

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    Re: If the Passover Story Were Reported by The New York Times or CNN"

    Originally posted by Kenas
    If the Passover Story Were Reported by The New York Times or CNN"
    by Daniel P. Waxman

    That was interesting considering the New York Times is--or atleast at one time was--a Jewish owned newspaper.

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    Question

    Some of the biggest critics who run down Israel are Jewish. Perhaps they feel guilty.

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    There are actually factions within Israel who believe that you can negotiate with the PLO.
    Last edited by johnnymk; 04-25-2002 at 03:47 AM.

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    Originally posted by sbp
    Some of the biggest critics who run down Israel are Jewish. Perhaps they feel guilty.
    I think that might have a lot to do with it. I remember hearing about articles detailing what was going on during the Holocaust; they were printed on page 17(or something) of the New York times because Jewish owners, editors, and journalists feared reprisals if the paper were to look too "pro-Jewish".


    As for negotiating with the PLO, something should be done.

    Also, I'm not a big fan of Isreal in this respect: a POPULATED section of land that holds religious significance for three different groups is siezed by foreign powers and given to a single group. That group is put into power, given an army as well as the ability to push whoever it wants out of "their" land. If one wanted to set the stage for WWIII, I can't think of a better way of doing it.

    I mean, come on, atleast the Europeans/Americans had enough common decency to kill off about half the Native inhabitants of North America to ensure that there would be enough living room for everyone...

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