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    I need an explanation

    Can someone explain to me what difference it makes when burning an audio cd what the speed you burn at matters.

    I burn everything at 12x...and I was making a cd and it takes a long time for the player to read the cd before it begings to play. Somebody at work told me if I burn at a slower speed that it might fix the problem. Is this true?

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    all I know is it is better to burn Audio @ slower speeds, I don't really know why....

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    could depend on the speed of your cdrom as well. ripping to the hdd always helps me.
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    It's a general rule that burning audio CDs at a slower speed is better. I've had several burners now. My first was a Mitsumi 2x8. Audio CDs burned at 2x on that burner would not play in my home or car stereo. 1x was fine though. My next was a Ricoh 6x4x24. Audio CDs had to be burned at 2x on that one. I have a Plextor 12x10x32 now, and 8x seems to be the highest for reliable audio CDs.

    I got the 32x burner from Staples, and it should be here Friday. I'm curious to see how it handles audio CDs.

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    lets compare....

    the faster you type, the more chance you have of making a mistake, or an error.

    the faster a CD burns (ie. it spins faster, and has to process teh data faster, thus heading up more, and we all know the hotter something is the greater chance of error) then the more likeliness of getting an error you have.

    it also has to do with the burner - when your reaching its upper limits, its more likely to produce an error because its reaching the MAX performance - both physically and electronically. If they designed a 50x burner, then rated it for 40x, then you could probably burn right up at 40x w/o any problems.

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    i forgot -

    also, the faster you burn / spin the CD, the less time the laser has to HEAT / burn the data to each individual sector in the CD. Sometimes it doesnt burn it completely (if you have low-quality media).

    Also, if your MEDIA is rated 10x, and your trying to burn 12x, then it wout hardly work. The faster rated media is a LOT more sensative and will actualy accept the burn when you burn at higher speeds.

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    well, if the theories are true about errors, then since you're burning files, the same should be true for other file types. data is data. so if you burn audio and it has x% chance of error at a certain speed, then it should have the same rate of error with other files.

    unless that is to say that the device used to read has a different error margin than a computer for a correct read. maybe computers are more forgiving? then again, the devices used to read the media also sample a few times before playing...so i still dunno.

    so, does this happen with all kinds of disks? i've personally gotten better results from better quality disks at times. sometimes i can't even get something to burn at all until i use my good media.
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    Thanks for all the help.

    Now on to my next question...All the cd's I burn are at burnt at 12x. The place where I was trying to play the cd's wouldnt take the brands of cd's that I had, which were ProMedia and TDK, I also had a Fuji cd and it played just fine. Could it be a problem with the persons cd player?

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    Originally posted by gotmilk
    Thanks for all the help.

    Now on to my next question...All the cd's I burn are at burnt at 12x. The place where I was trying to play the cd's wouldnt take the brands of cd's that I had, which were ProMedia and TDK, I also had a Fuji cd and it played just fine. Could it be a problem with the persons cd player?
    Not a problem per se, more of a limitation. My old car stereo would not play audio CDRW discs no matter what speed I burned them at. CDRs worked ok though.

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    Originally posted by gotmilk
    Thanks for all the help.

    Now on to my next question...All the cd's I burn are at burnt at 12x. The place where I was trying to play the cd's wouldnt take the brands of cd's that I had, which were ProMedia and TDK, I also had a Fuji cd and it played just fine. Could it be a problem with the persons cd player?
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    I have generally found that recording at lower speeds works better for discs that I play in my Discman (a Panasonic Shockwave -- bought last year).

    What I have noticed however, is that this player doesn't like my high-speed RW discs (despite a claim to support RW's on the box/manual/etc.) When playing this disc, the player skips around a fair bit (though it's entirely random -- so I know it's not a scratch or anything on the disc).

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    I've had several burners. HP 4x , Creative 12x, Sony 16x, TDK 24x, Lite-On 32x. I always burned Audio CDs at Max speed and have never had a problem playing in either a home system, portable dvd player, shelf system, computer or car stereo. I usually use that real cheap media from Fry's too. I don't now, maybe i've just gotten lucky. I just burned 15 new Audio CDs yesteday (Yep, I'm the one the RIAA hates) on my 32x and they all worked fine.
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    Ditto what he/she said

    The cheaper the discs, the better.

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