Sex Education

[Nija]

Last night, after school, I was watching this on mtv, and it was about sex education in school. Now, I realize most of us are out of high school, which is where this story seemed to focus on, but what do ya'll think should be taught in school?

The two main choices were: abstinence and awareness.
The abstinence stand was essentially, don't talk about sex other than how a baby is birthed and where.
The awareness stand was essentially, here are condoms, here is how to use them, here are STD's and what they can do, blah blah.

My personal feelings are that high school students are going to do what they want so as long as they are safe, and it's consenting, screw like rabbits.

[sbp]

Sex education should be at the home. That its in the school system at all is yet another sign of people palming off parental responsibility.

[Nija]

Originally posted by sbp
Sex education should be at the home. The fact its in the school system is yet another sign of people palming off parental responsibility.

My mom refused school teaching me anything about sex, so what did she teach me? Nothing. I learned everything I leanred through experimentation. Luckily there was a health center at my school that supplied condoms and their usage and other pamplets etc. etc. that I wouldn't have been exposed to. Some of these schools don't even get condoms available to them, and they don't wanna buy them, so they go out and have unprotected sex, and that can lead to a whole array of baddies.

[Freelance Superhero]

i haven't put a significant amount of thought into this answer, but just off the top of my head, i would say that the basics should be taught at home by parents, and i don't think it's such a bad idea to educate kids about STD's and the other realities of sex within the school system.

[sbp]

So because your mom didn't fulfill her parental responsiblity that means the schools should? And where was your dad?

[welfareloser]

Originally posted by sbp
Sex education should be at the home. That its in the school system at all is yet another sign of people palming off parental responsibility.

well, they are palming it off, and always have been... good sex ed in schools is a big improvement over the fifties, when there were plenty of girls who were too embarrassed to ask anyone what the hell was going on when they got their first period (or thought they were dying) ... or the 1890's, when some women were permanently traumatized by sex because they had no idea what the hell was going on.

yes, sex ed should come from home. just because it should come from home doesn't mean schools should not teach it. those who don't get it at home are better off with ANYTHING learned in school. those who get it at home are free to ignore what schools teach if it doesn't fit into their familial morality code.

kids should ahve all the information - condoms help prevent std's and pregnancy, so if you're going to do it, for gods sake use them, but they aren't foolproof; only abstinence is a sure thing. everyone should have a healthy amount of fear of what's crawling around on other people's hoo-has and dingalings, and everyone should be equipped with good knowledge of damage control techniques for poor decisions.

[Pinkgirl36]

Originally posted by sbp
So because your mom didn't fulfill her parental responsiblity that means the schools should? And where was your dad?

why do you always try to put people down? AND his personal family life is none of your business

[Pinkgirl36]

AND I think that it should be taught at home AND at school. There is no reason for it NOT to be taught at schools. If anything it being taught at school could help more people, but I'm sorry most teenagers and young adults would be too embaressed to ask certain questions.

I know when we learned about it in school, we were given the opportunity to write down any questions we had anonymously, and I am sure that it helped some of the kids, who were to embarressed to ask the questions to their parents, and I think that it does help if they are taught it in school as well because it lets them know they have a place to go if they have any questions that their parents possibly couldn't answer.

[Freelance Superhero]

Originally posted by welfareloser
...hoo-has and dingalings...

forgive me for digressing, but do these words make anyone else think of chocolate covered pastries?

[sbp]

Thats a sad commentary on society. And it wasn't always palmed off onto the school system by everyone.

And just because something can be palmed off, doesn't mean it should.

Folks sit there and blame the schools for not doing well. Well schools have been shoehorned into attempting to do too many things and involved in matters that aren't their responisiblity. Perhaps that is why so much of it is done poorly. Very troublesome that schools have now become mommies and daddies to kiddies. Until people start being responsibility, nothing will change.

[jujubees]

Originally posted by sbp
So because your mom didn't fulfill her parental responsiblity that means the schools should? And where was your dad?

For kids from really restrictive cultures, high school health class is the closest we ever get to ANY type of sex education.

To stick-in-the-mud Asian parents like my own, premarital sex is a no-no. In fact, POSTmarital sex is probably a no-no. I'm 25, engaged, and still waiting for them to give me the "birds and the bees" talk. All they've EVER told me about sex is, "Don't do it."

Yes, it's sad that some cultures turn the other cheek to an issue as critical as this, but you can't assume that everyone belongs to the quintessential American family.

[sbp]

So parents won't do it, does that mean the school system must? Are there any other options besides big government?

[CornMonkey]

i took sex ed. 4 times.

[CornMonkey]

Originally posted by Yossarian
hell there are 7th graders who have a 'sex club' and give monthly awards to the best 'preformer'

that's disturbing.

[sbp]

Originally posted by Yossarian
our school dosen't have sex ed, or condoms. every year in a school of 700(total, 7-12) we have 2 girls get pregnant. hell there are 7th graders who have a 'sex club' and give monthly awards to the best 'preformer'

The middle schools around here have sex ed and girls still get knocked up.

"good sex ed in schools" yet the out of wedlock birthrate in this country amongst teens remains woefully high.

"premarital sex is a no-no." There's a reason for that. Not being married increases the likelyhood of children growing up in poverty. It increases the chances of being on welfare and not growing up with a father.

[Ladogaboy]

It is always better to be informed than not, no matter the source. In a way I agree with sbp, but still, even if the parents are being irresponsible, some one needs to pick up the slack.

[Cantacuzene]

I have to disagree with you here sbp. You and other Republicans want to turn the clock back to 1890 on this issue and it aint gonna happen. The cat is out of the bag so to speak. Sex before marriage is a reality for the majority of people and hat isnt going to likely ever change.

The victorian era is over and we need to address the porblem rather than pretend it doesnt exist or even worse, point the finger and belittle people rather than trying to work to make things better.

[sbp]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
I have to disagree with you here sbp. You and other Republicans want to turn the clock back to 1890 on this issue and it aint gonna happen. The cat is out of the bag so to speak. Sex before marriage is a reality for the majority of people and hat isnt going to likely ever change.

The victorian era is over and we need to address the porblem rather than pretend it doesnt exist or even worse, point the finger and belittle people rather than trying to work to make things better.

The problem is a lack of responsibility. No government program will ever cure that. Furthermore, making things better and getting informed doesn't always involve government-dig?

On one hand people say government is too big and intrusive. Then on the other hand support policies that get government even more involved-most notably familial affairs in this case. Which is it to be?

[Cantacuzene]

Well, my family handled it fine. You family handled it fine. But just because thats the case we cant assume everyone's family handles it well.

Think of school sex ed as a suppliment to good parenting. It cant replace it, and it shouldnt, but it will give a support to it.

And for the kids who get nothing at home, think of it as a life preserver, it serves the purpose of teaching them something, which is better then nothing in most cases and could save their life.

[sbp]

We are not assuming everyone's family handles it well.

{covering the same terrority as before} Why must sex ed be in the school system? Can others cover this?

[Cantacuzene]

We are not assuming everyone's family handles it well.

Too many don't to allow those people to fall through the cracks.

Why must sex ed be in the school system? Can others cover this?

Like who? School is the only place that has universal access to all kids.

I dont see what the big deal with teaching kids sex ed in school. If they have good parents, sex ed ins chool wont hurt them. If they have bad parents it can only help them. Its a win win situation.

[Hiro]

Originally posted by sbp
"premarital sex is a no-no." There's a reason for that. Not being married increases the likelyhood of children growing up in poverty. It increases the chances of being on welfare and not growing up with a father.

Just because someone gets pregnant in high school does not automatically qualify their child to not have a father. All that is required for the child to have a father...is a guy who is strong enough to stay with the girl and the child til the day he dies.

Originally posted by sbp
We are not assuming everyone's family handles it well.

{covering the same terrority as before} Why must sex ed be in the school system? Can others cover this?

Sex Ed (at least in my school) was a required class...and it was very informative. Perhaps the schools decided to start the class simply because there were some intelligent School Board members out there who simply realized that most parents simply are not giving their children the talk because they just don't know how.

and by attending this class in high school, it at least helps a small amount with the sexual education for children...and at least stopping those pregnancies that might have happened.

[sbp]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
Like who? School is the only place that has universal access to all kids.

I dont see what the big deal with teaching kids sex ed in school. If they have good parents, sex ed ins chool wont hurt them. If they have bad parents it can only help them. Its a win win situation.

How about the government run school system also teach values-would that be ok? Please specifiy the values that should be taught if so.

Just think about the wonderful things that can be done since school is the only place that has universal access to all kids. How about health care? How about 3 meals a day and roof over the head.

[Hiro]

Originally posted by Yossarian

most schools serve i know of have 2 meals a day. and are required to have atleast a nurse

and then SBP was shot down...


My school was the same way.

[sbp]

Originally posted by Corsec
Just because someone gets pregnant in high school does not automatically qualify their child to not have a father. All that is required for the child to have a father...is a guy who is strong enough to stay with the girl and the child til the day he dies.

Never said it did amigo. But it does increase the chances big time of not having a dad while growing up.

Sex Ed (at least in my school) was a required class...and it was very informative. Perhaps the schools decided to start the class simply because there were some intelligent School Board members out there who simply realized that most parents simply are not giving their children the talk because they just don't know how.

and by attending this class in high school, it at least helps a small amount with the sexual education for children...and at least stopping those pregnancies that might have happened.

The School Board members have now become the parents to the parents.

So it was a required class. What if the sex ed went against what parents believed?

Originally posted by Yossarian

most schools serve i know of have 2 meals a day. and are required to have atleast a nurse

Having 3 meals a day would be even better! And having a safe place to slept would be even more compassionate.

[Hiro]

Originally posted by sbp
So it was a required class. What if the sex ed went against what parents believed?

How can a sexual education class go against what people believe? The parents say, "Don't do it". The class says, "Don't do it". Where is the conflict there?

[Cantacuzene]

Maybe you havent been there in a while, but school sex ed doesnt teach values. It just tells you the facts and lets you make your own choices. The facts are usually more accurate then what you would get from a parent, so it does that well. A parent can help fill in the "choices" section, as they should.

I think schools do a decent job of preaching abstinence when they show pics of people with nasty stds...

As far as you trying to draw me into a health care debate, I'm not doing it. All I'm saying is my family doesnt have health care and I havent been to a doctor in 6 years. I think its an injustice.

[sbp]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
Maybe you havent been there in a while, but school sex ed doesnt teach values. It just tells you the facts and lets you make your own choices. The facts are usually more accurate then what you would get from a parent, so it does that well. A parent can help fill in the "choices" section, as they should.

I think schools do a decent job of preaching abstinence when they show pics of people with nasty stds...

As far as you trying to draw me into a health care debate, I'm not doing it. All I'm saying is my family doesnt have health care and I havent been to a doctor in 6 years. I think its an injustice.

Teaching values doesn't necessarily mean in sex ed.

So sex ed has no values. Would it work better if there were values involved?

Does it really cover the results of bad choices?
Hard working people should not pay for someone being knocked up or the abortion.

Thing is it is schools job to preaching abstinence and do sex ed? That's what this is about.

[Cantacuzene]

I honestly dont really see what you are saying. It seems like you are being picky just to be picky.

[sbp]

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
I honestly dont really see what you are saying. It seems like you are being picky just to be picky.

Others understand what this fundamental is about-its already been mentioned a few times already.

Just seeing what you think. I find different views to be interesting even when its not agreed with.