Jesus 'healed using cannabis'

**Nija** · 01-06-2003, 02:43 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...869273,00.html

Jesus was almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings.
The anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples contained an ingredient called kaneh-bosem which has since been identified as cannabis extract, according to an article by Chris Bennett in the drugs magazine, High Times, entitled Was Jesus a Stoner? The incense used by Jesus in ceremonies also contained a cannabis extract, suggests Mr Bennett, who quotes scholars to back his claims.

"There can be little doubt about a role for cannabis in Judaic religion," Carl Ruck, professor of classical mythology at Boston University said.

Referring to the existence of cannabis in anointing oils used in ceremonies, he added: "Obviously the easy availability and long-established tradition of cannabis in early Judaism... would inevitably have included it in the [Christian] mixtures."

Mr Bennett suggests those anointed with the oils used by Jesus were "literally drenched in this potent mixture... Although most modern people choose to smoke or eat pot, when its active ingredients are transferred into an oil-based carrier, it can also be absorbed through the skin".

Quoting the New Testament, Mr Bennett argues that Jesus anointed his disciples with the oil and encouraged them to do the same with other followers. This could have been responsible for healing eye and skin diseases referred to in the Gospels.

"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil... and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.

well then...

**~~Cantacuzene~~** · 01-06-2003, 03:12 PM

Conclusions? Lets jump to them!

**mojo** · 01-06-2003, 03:44 PM

"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil... and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.

this is almost bordering on being a non sequitur. i can see the relationship, and i appreciate the effort. but it would hardly be a foundation for any sort of movement.

i do find it very interesting tho

**nickel** · 01-06-2003, 04:12 PM

yep, i've thought this all along. Tommy Chong is Jesus.

**johnnymk** · 01-06-2003, 04:28 PM

So how old was the child who wrote this adorable little essay for his school's Story Telling contest?

**sizemic1** · 01-06-2003, 04:33 PM

I get so tired of hearing these stupid arguments towards the legalization of marijuana. Personally..i don't smoke it..i hold no ill will towards those who do..and i actually think it SHOULD be legal being as it's not anymore harmful to society than alcohol is. But for the most part, the advocate's rationale for the legalization of marijuana is so incredibly stupid that i actually think they do more harm than good in promoting their cause.

**zenbooty** · 01-06-2003, 05:33 PM

I'm waiting to see the photos of the Chronic Bud of Turin

**Jeffbx** · 01-07-2003, 04:59 AM

I guess these guys already knew that....

**Blu** · 01-07-2003, 06:12 AM

Holy jeez, this is the best thread ever. All the zealots are going to come in and say "Jesus didn't smoke dope, he's the son of God, and did no wrong." BUT! Who says weed is wrong? God? I think not! The government says pot is bad and will make your arms fall off. Soooo, before you spout off about how horrible it is that someone would assume that Jeezy Creezy was on the cronic, think about why you think what you do. I think that makes sense, but if not, I'm sure you get the jist of it.

**johnnymk** · 01-07-2003, 06:54 AM

Well, the Bible doesn't say anything about standing in the middle of the L.A. Freeway during rush hour or sticking your head under boiling water, either. GOT/COMMONSENSE?

**attgig** · 01-07-2003, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by Blu
Holy jeez, this is the best thread ever. All the zealots are going to come in and say "Jesus didn't smoke dope, he's the son of God, and did no wrong." BUT! Who says weed is wrong? God? I think not! The government says pot is bad and will make your arms fall off. Soooo, before you spout off about how horrible it is that someone would assume that Jeezy Creezy was on the cronic, think about why you think what you do. I think that makes sense, but if not, I'm sure you get the jist of it.

awww man...Jesus didn't smoke dope, he's the son of God, and did no wrong!

Woah...wait a minute....Blu, you know us sooo well!!!

**Blu** · 01-07-2003, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by johnnymk
Well, the Bible doesn't say anything about standing in the middle of the L.A. Freeway during rush hour or sticking your head under boiling water, either. GOT/COMMONSENSE?

Common sense has nothing to do with it. You can't prove that Jesus was a weedy, and you can only assume that he wasn't. What would be bad about the big JC chillin' with a J? I'm not saying that people should use Jesus as an excuse to smoke up, but it's narrow-minded to rule out the possibility that he did.

**zenbooty** · 01-07-2003, 07:41 AM

Blu, do you have a point to make, or are you just trying to stir people up? How would you define a "zealot," and who on this board would you consider to be one?

I mean, who really cares whether the guy smoked up or not? To be on either side of this argument requires some pretty egregious logical leaps. Like Joshua stated so eloquently long ago, "The only way to win is not to play."

Gonna have to start nicknaming you "The Spoon" if this keeps up...

**~~Cantacuzene~~** · 01-07-2003, 08:00 AM

ANother news flash for the pot smokers: cannabis wasnt smoked as a drug in the ancient world. I'm sure a great many people used hemp for a great many things, but processing it into marijuana and smoking it wasn't one of them. Prove me wrong.

**blueindian** · 01-07-2003, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
ANother news flash for the pot smokers: cannabis wasnt smoked as a drug in the ancient world. I'm sure a great many people used hemp for a great many things, but processing it into marijuana and smoking it wasn't one of them. Prove me wrong.

1. the article says anointed, not smoked. (not defending the article or anyones post, just pointing that out. i don't know if you are even referring to the article or not.)
2. define ancient.
3. i don't know if i can prove your statement wrong, but i am interested in seeing whether or not it's true. can't do the research at work, it'll have to wait till i get home.

**~~Cantacuzene~~** · 01-07-2003, 08:22 AM

I know it says anointed, but the point is these people are using it as a way to justify smoking marijuana.

If you wanna go out and anoint yourself with hemp oil be my guest. Its probably legal to do, being that you can get high from something with no THC in it.

Instead of 'ancient world' I should have said 'ancient mediterranian world' because I'm sure some tribal types in the americas prolly smoked some kind of peyote or marijuana type thing.

**Blu** · 01-07-2003, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by zenbooty
Blu, do you have a point to make, or are you just trying to stir people up? How would you define a "zealot," and who on this board would you consider to be one?

I mean, who really cares whether the guy smoked up or not? To be on either side of this argument requires some pretty egregious logical leaps. Like Joshua stated so eloquently long ago, "The only way to win is not to play."

Gonna have to start nicknaming you "The Spoon" if this keeps up...

I'm not trying to stir people up, the original post was meant for that. I'm using zealot like this:

"One who engages warmly in any cause, and pursues his object with earnestness and ardor; one absorbed in devotion to anything; an enthusiast; a fanatical partisan."

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who believes that their religion is the 'one and true' religion is a zealot. I think there are a few on the board. As far as whether or not the argument is easy to make either way, I said earlier that it was shady as hell. I suppose I'm really just trying to make a point that sometimes it's a good idea to step out of your bubble and consider other possibilities.

**Grimm** · 01-07-2003, 10:05 AM

All government propaganda aside (drugs are bad, mmmkay?), this does have some serious repercusions. Some native american tribes can use peote<sp> legaly because it is used in their religion. If a recognized christian church wanted to start including anointing with a hemp based oil, containing THC, the precedent has been set. It would be difficult to stop them. Just think how many converts that church would get.

The US government has been preventing legitimate research in the curative properties of hemp for many years. No, I am not talking about smoking Js. I'm talking about potential for medicines that could be cheaply manufactured from a plant that grows quickly with no negative envirornmental impact. Medicines that anyone could make without paying the pharmaciutical<sp> an arm and a leg like we do now. How many diseases have inadequate treatment now because of an unreasonable policy to prevent research on something as normal as hemp. Hemp was totaly legal until the chemical companies realized they could develop synthetic fibers, like nylon. Fibers that would have a very limited market with cheaper hemp products available. Other illegal drugs are experimented with. Cocaine and LSD had extensive government trials. Whole lines of opiates were researched. Why not research a plant with historical healing properties?

**cheapie** · 01-07-2003, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Cantacuzene
ANother news flash for the pot smokers: cannabis wasnt smoked as a drug in the ancient world. I'm sure a great many people used hemp for a great many things, but processing it into marijuana and smoking it wasn't one of them. Prove me wrong.

What??? Didn't you ever see History of the World: Part 1 with Mel Brooks? That proves they used pot!

**whitak24** · 01-07-2003, 11:32 AM

um, maybe i'm just stupid/not very knowledgeable about my bible, but where did jesus annoint people with oil or use incense in rituals?

**cheapie** · 01-07-2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Blu

I'm not trying to stir people up, the original post was meant for that. I'm using zealot like this:
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who believes that their religion is the 'one and true' religion is a zealot. I think there are a few on the board.

i would have to disagree with your description of a zealot. if you believe one thing (an idea, fact, religious belief, etc.) to be true, you logically have to believe that everything contrary to it is untrue. if you believe that the earth is round, you can't also believe that it is flat. it is intellectually dishonest to say otherwise. i am a christian so i believe that christianity is the 'one and true' religion. however, i respect your right to believe otherwise. i may think you are incorrect in your beliefs, but i support your right to have your own opinions and beliefs.

my description of a zealot is one who does not tolerate other people believing contrary to him/her. feel free to disagree with my definition. i'll think you're wrong, but will support your right to your opinion.

**Grimm** · 01-07-2003, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by cheapbast@rd

i would have to disagree with your description of a zealot. if you believe one thing (an idea, fact, religious belief, etc.) to be true, you logically have to believe that everything contrary to it is untrue. if you believe that the earth is round, you can't also believe that it is flat. it is intellectually dishonest to say otherwise. i am a christian so i believe that christianity is the 'one and true' religion. however, i respect your right to believe otherwise. i may think you are incorrect in your beliefs, but i support your right to have your own opinions and beliefs.

my description of a zealot is one who does not tolerate other people believing contrary to him/her. feel free to disagree with my definition. i'll think you're wrong, but will support your right to your opinion.

Well, if you take what he said out of context, and you did, then you have a point.
you omitted the preface in his quote, which softens his stance quite a bit. Shorting posts in a quote is all fine and good, so long as it does not remove a statement from the context in which it was meant. What seperates a zelot from a rightous man is that a rightous man will listen and consider an opposing point of view.

**latingirl** · 01-07-2003, 08:15 PM

You can call me a zealot if you want to, although I certainly don't have any problem with other people choosing to believe other things. I may have an opinion about those other things, but it is certainly anyones right to believe in whatever they want.

As far as the "weed" argument. Its dumb and not worth debating. That just IMHO.

BTW, I said the argument was dumb, I didn't say any individual person was dumb.

**cheapie** · 01-08-2003, 05:02 AM

it might be dumb, but that doesn't preclude it from debate. we have debated FAR dumber things before!

**johnnymk** · 01-08-2003, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by cheapbast@rd
it might be dumb, but that doesn't preclude it from debate. we have debated FAR dumber things before!

DUMB AND DUMBER?

**Grimm** · 01-08-2003, 12:50 PM

Say what you want, but I have yet to see anyone post a legitimate, logical argument against hemp. They just spout back the propaganda that their government drilled into their heads.

Have faith in God, not your government.

**whitak24** · 01-08-2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Grimm
Say what you want, but I have yet to see anyone post a legitimate, logical argument against hemp. They just spout back the propaganda that their government drilled into their heads.

Have faith in God, not your government.

first of all, any argument taking place had to do with using marijuana as a stimulant, not about using hemp. they are two very different topics.

second, the discussion quickly devolved into a debate about how people hold religious beliefs and whether that makes them zealots.

third, i'm still waiting for any information about jesus anointing people and performing rituals with incense.

**latingirl** · 01-08-2003, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by whitak24

first of all, any argument taking place had to do with using marijuana as a stimulant, not about using hemp. they are two very different topics.

second, the discussion quickly devolved into a debate about how people hold religious beliefs and whether that makes them zealots.

third, i'm still waiting for any information about jesus anointing people and performing rituals with incense.

first of all, the argument i'm speaking of that is dumb is justifying smoking weed or saying that "persecuting people who smoke weed is anti-christ" by implying that Jesus used the drug to heal. At least that's where i'm coming from, i don't know about anyone else.

second, so what's new??

third, offhand, i know that jesus made a mixture of spit and mud to heal a blind man. i know that using incense and anointing oil was certainly an old testament custom. i'll go to blueletterbible.com and do a search in the new test for oil or incense and see what comes up.

**latingirl** · 01-08-2003, 07:42 PM

New testament

Jam 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

Although, that's not Jesus himself anointing, but anointing in his name.

**latingirl** · 01-08-2003, 07:46 PM

In the gospels (the first 4 books of the new test that tells of Jesus' life).

Mark 6:13 And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed [them]. - Speaking of Jesus and the apostles.

Luke 7:46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment. - Speaking of the woman who anointed Jesus' feet with perfumed oil.

That's all I found. Although, It doesn't say anybody smoked bud or any bud like substance.

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