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    LEBANON, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Come fall, Gino Vargas and other parents of schoolchildren in this city could be getting report cards of their own: The school system's superintendent is proposing that parents be graded on how involved they are in their children's education.

    Vargas said he cares deeply about his 4-year-old son and has no problem with the proposal, believed to be one of the first of its kind.

    "If you take care of your kids, it'll show in the report," Vargas said recently as little Dante waited in the car for the trip home from Harding Elementary. "My dad was there for me. I need to be there for my son."


    Gino Vargas stands outside his son's school in Lebanon, Pennsylvania. Vargas says he has no qualms about a report card for parents.

    Under the proposal, parents in the 4,200-student district about 80 miles west of Philadelphia would be evaluated in areas such as attendance at parent-teacher conferences, whether they return things they have to sign and whether their children come to school healthy and properly dressed. Teachers would check "yes" or "no" and send the forms home with student report cards.

    Superintendent Marianne Bartley said the goal is to make sure parents are sending their kids to school ready to learn and keeping on top of their academic progress.

    "We know that all types of research show that it's more likely that students who have parents who are involved are more successful in school," she said. "We have a lot of parents who are involved and do a wonderful job, but we need to make sure that it's widespread."

    No other Pennsylvania school district conducts parental evaluations and it is a rare practice nationwide. The Chicago school system started a "parental checklist" program in 2000, but it was dropped a year later under a new administration.

    Paul Vallas, the former Chicago schools chief who now heads the Philadelphia district, said the program was voluntary and each of Chicago's 600 schools was given discretion to develop its own format.

    "They weren't report cards as much as they were parental advisories" he said.

    The idea drew some criticism. Some parents didn't like the prospect of being judged by their children's teachers.

    "It came across to parents as being very demeaning and very insulting. It's inappropriate for a government agency to be critiquing and evaluating people's parenting skills," said Julie Woestehoff, head of a parents group.

    Gregory Heist, who heads a parent-teacher organization at Harding Elementary in Lebanon, said he favors parental evaluations but knows some busy parents are anxious about how they will be carried out.

    "Time is definitely short for some people," said Heist, whose three children attend Lebanon schools. "I think some parents will take it as a rude gesture that they're not doing a good job."

    The school board is expected to decide on the evaluation proposal in the next few months.

    Sue Ferguson, chairwoman of the National Coalition for Parent Involvement in Education, said schools would be better served by collaborating more with parents and getting to know them personally, rather than filling out evaluation forms that could alienate them.

    "If teachers invest that time up front in getting to know the families, a lot of the other problems they have to deal with throughout the year will subside," she said.

    The evaluation is not intended to punish parents who fall short of the mark, but to help them overcome obstacles that keep them from getting more involved, Bartley said. For example, a teacher could arrange a home visit to a parent too busy to make a parent-teacher conference at school.

    A family's home life is not part of the evaluation.

    "This is not about making value judgments about anyone's personal lifestyle," Bartley said.

    However, parents who do not live up to any of their responsibilities would be contacted by an outreach worker who would try to help them become more involved. And parents who cannot or will not cooperate would have an "adult mentor" assigned to their child.

    "If they're just really resistant, they say, 'Get out of my home, go away,' we still have a responsibility for that child," Bartley said.

    Yvonne Jones, president of Lebanon's teachers union and a chemistry teacher at Lebanon High, said her colleagues appear to support the evaluations.

    "My hope is that (the parents) take it with a positive view, and realize that they need to be more involved with their children's education," Jones said. "We are required to call parents whenever there's a problem with discipline or anything else in the classroom. This is just an added check."

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    I think this may be a step in the right direction. Education reform is definitely one of the things that need to be addressed here in the US. We are falling further and further behind European and Asian countries in education. People complain about new taxes that are proposed to help support our schools and quickly shoot them down, yet the complain about the education that today's graduates posses.

    I'm sick and tired of seeing parents that have no sense of responsibilty as a parent. Taking 10-year-old kids to see R-rated movies needs to stop. Buying M-rated video games (or giving kids money so that they can buy M-rated video games) needs to stop as well.

    My parents were always involved in my education when I was growing up. Heck, my mom scheduled a conference with a few of my high school teachers because it was what she had become accustomed to in grade school and in middle school. When she arrived, my teachers basically asked her what she was doing there; they said that normally only the parents of students that are not performing well or are having problems attend that kind of thing. So basically my teachers had to spend about 15 minutes praising me to fill up the time.
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    Originally posted by coleslaw
    I think this may be a step in the right direction. Education reform is definitely one of the things that need to be addressed here in the US. We are falling further and further behind European and Asian countries in education. People complain about new taxes that are proposed to help support our schools and quickly shoot them down, yet the complain about the education that today's graduates posses.

    I'm sick and tired of seeing parents that have no sense of responsibilty as a parent. Taking 10-year-old kids to see R-rated movies needs to stop. Buying M-rated video games (or giving kids money so that they can buy M-rated video games) needs to stop as well.

    My parents were always involved in my education when I was growing up. Heck, my mom scheduled a conference with a few of my high school teachers because it was what she had become accustomed to in grade school and in middle school. When she arrived, my teachers basically asked her what she was doing there; they said that normally only the parents of students that are not performing well or are having problems attend that kind of thing. So basically my teachers had to spend about 15 minutes praising me to fill up the time.
    While I would agree that there are dumb parents out there, my experience as a parent tells me that being graded by my school is a bad idea - because schools are ever so frequently wrong. They were wrong with me, they were terribly wrong with my brother, and to a much lesser extant they make mistakes with sammy. They don't know and really, can't know much about what the parent does at home.

    I'm not sure what would be the best thing to do, but I know that setting up a situation of confrontation isn't going to help those kids that really need it to begin with - it could even make things worse for them.
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    parent involvement is very important. handing uninvolved parents a kitschy little sheet of papaer that says involvement: D+!!!!!!! is the most arrogant, stupid idea i can think of.

    if teachers notice that a set of parents is detrimentally uninvolved, the appropriate action is to make a phone call, ask for a meeting, and talk to that parent about the problem, not handing them an alienating, impersonal piece of paper with a scarlet letter on it. i don't care if the intended follow-up to the stupid report card is personal interaction, the report card will kill any chance of that being effective because it is hostile. it's like, if your downstairs neighbor plays his music too loud sometimes, what's the first thing you do? you knock on the door and politely ask him to turn it down. you don't START by having the police show up on his doorstep and threaten him. duuuuuuh.

    why do they think a parent who commutes to work has the friggin time to run home early for a parent-teacher conference? if that was me, i'd rather take the time to go home and BE WITH MY KID than go listen to some canned line of nonsense about social skills and blah blah blah... do they ever really say anything that has any effect on anything you do with your children? maybe in rare cases where there is a problem, the teacher is aware of it, and the parent isn't. in that case, give me a call, send me a letter, and i'll show up to a meeting. and who wants to take off work to go herd a bunch of kids on a field trip? not everybody.

    then there's me. guess what? my kids are going to do well in school. it's inevitable. but i can see where i just might be very uninvolved. i hate other parents. i hate being in a room with other pinch-brained moms who bitch and gossip like nasty high-schoolers. i would love to help out with my sons' field trips and class parties, but then again, i want to avoid certain segments of humanity at all costs.

    this is why i wear headphones with a good book on tape when i take eg to the playground - i can still talk to him, run around, play with the kids, have a good time... and the little earpieces keep my iq points from being sucked out my ears by the powermoms who want to brag about their fabulous careers and ask why your settling for staying at home, the turds who are trying to talk s*** about every other kid on the playground who is obviously inferior in one way or another to their bossy gap-wearing turdlets, and the trailer-park divas who want to tell you about their husband's affair and their therapy bills.

    seriously, in the last two years of socializing with parents of children eg's age, i've met over a hundred... and only three of them are people that i actually enjoy.
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    Originally posted by welfareloser
    this is why i wear headphones with a good book on tape when i take eg to the playground - i can still talk to him, run around, play with the kids, have a good time... and the little earpieces keep my iq points from being sucked out my ears by the powermoms who want to brag about their fabulous careers and ask why your settling for staying at home, the turds who are trying to talk s*** about every other kid on the playground who is obviously inferior in one way or another to their bossy gap-wearing turdlets, and the trailer-park divas who want to tell you about their husband's affair and their therapy bills.

    seriously, in the last two years of socializing with parents of children eg's age, i've met over a hundred... and only three of them are people that i actually enjoy.
    I am really starting to believe that there are basically two classes of people in America today: Yuppies and rednecks

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    I am really starting to believe that there are basically two classes of people in America today: Yuppies and rednecks
    and they suck in pretty equal proportions... there are genuinely wonderful people in both classes. i hate egotistical yuppies for all their posturing and judgements, and i hate egotistical trash for their disregard for others and fiercely "i'm gonna git me mine" attitude.

    when i like them, i like yuppies for their broad experiences and open minds, and i like rednecks for their humor, openness and genuine-ness.
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    Originally posted by welfareloser


    and they suck in pretty equal proportions... there are genuinely wonderful people in both classes. i hate egotistical yuppies for all their posturing and judgements, and i hate egotistical trash for their disregard for others and fiercely "i'm gonna git me mine" attitude.

    when i like them, i like yuppies for their broad experiences and open minds, and i like rednecks for their humor, openness and genuine-ness.
    Okay...I'm pulling out the center chair to stand on & applaud welfare omg, I can't help but laugh while reading your response...you are brutal & to the point...I agree with you... totally.. haaaaa..

    I'm not Ms Socialite by all means, but I don't mind so much SOME of the parents unlike your total hatred of the following ...
    i hate other parents. i hate being in a room with other pinch-brained moms who bitch and gossip like nasty high-schoolers. i would love to help out with my sons' field trips and class parties, but then again, i want to avoid certain segments of humanity at all costs.
    ...Welfare pretty much said it all..so at the risk of repeating...I'll just say this and shut up...
    I'm sure there were positive thoughts behind the report cards... but definately not a great idea ...It's someones wet dream...a dead end...I don't see it lasting too long...
    I was involved when my kids were in elementary...both succeeded...both in acedemics & in their behavior...I don't think my involvment really had anything to do with it, only because they both succeeded in high school and I wasn't involved at all once they reached that point...
    What they were afraid of probably was a good A* beating if they screwed up...something more children need in order to shake their fannys in gear...
    Instead of adding to a teachers daily curriculum ...why don't they use that extra time they'll be using to grade parents, and spend some more one on one with the children who need extra help in the classroom...Do they really believe that the fly-by-night parents not being involved in their childs daily activities & education at school are really going to be phased by an F or a D...bad bad Mr & Mrs Smith...
    If they didn't give a s* before, a report card isn't going to make them start.....To the delight of the Smiths ;P what better way to continue to not be involved...than to have an adult mentor assigned to their child...
    ...thats that !
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    I'm not a parent yet...

    but from what I've seen of parents, they either think they're doing a great job and their kids are angels, while in real life they're killing people, or they think they're doing a great job and they let everyone know about it. Those kinds of people are living through their kids and I really really hate it.

    One of the things that I'll make myself do is never try to live through my kids and to never ever brag about either myself or my kids. It's something that comes through as egotistical and unwarranted.

    I feel for you, welfare, for having to put up with those kinds of parents.

    Back to the report cards, I think they're a way of giving some reality to parents who think they're doing a good job, when in fact they aren't. Going back to what I've said earlier, I've seen parents who will never acknoledge that their kids are horrible people or dumb as a doorknob. It's really quite amazing to see what kind of fantasy life they try to live in.

    Think the Dursleys in Harry Potter...sorry for the dumb reference, but it's close to what I'm thinking.

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    Originally posted by gear02
    I'm not a parent yet...

    but from what I've seen of parents, they either think they're doing a great job and their kids are angels, while in real life they're killing people, or they think they're doing a great job and they let everyone know about it. Those kinds of people are living through their kids and I really really hate it.

    One of the things that I'll make myself do is never try to live through my kids and to never ever brag about either myself or my kids. It's something that comes through as egotistical and unwarranted.

    I feel for you, welfare, for having to put up with those kinds of parents.

    Back to the report cards, I think they're a way of giving some reality to parents who think they're doing a good job, when in fact they aren't. Going back to what I've said earlier, I've seen parents who will never acknoledge that their kids are horrible people or dumb as a doorknob. It's really quite amazing to see what kind of fantasy life they try to live in.

    Think the Dursleys in Harry Potter...sorry for the dumb reference, but it's close to what I'm thinking.
    The problem is, you offend the people who are in fact doing fine with their kids, the ones that never acknowledge the problems still won't just because the school gave them a paper.
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