Suckage: Message for Paladin regarding Paladin hunting

[jameslee]

Whoop-D-Whoop... What?

Suckage: Paladin trash talking on Apex... again, even after a ton of Apexies yelled at him.

Quote from the deals forum: (You can tell by the poor grammer.)

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Hey James would you like someone to follow you around and criticize your posts. I think not so lay the F*ck off ok. It's not funny anymore.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Scott, Scott, Scott... Do you honestly think i have nothing better to do than hunt down your posts? As your sister says, "This is classic Scott."

Bad news, Pal (a.k.a.t.t.r.w (to the real world) Scott.) You are not the center of the universe! Not that i have to justify myself to you, but i just read what interests me. Being that Fuj has burned over 65 games now (not when you originally posted claiming 50) and just last weekend bought a dreamcast, three extra controllers, a vmu, and two guns... anything relating to the dreamcast interests me.

It was just bad luck that you posted under the dreamcast topic, placing your reply under my truthful eye. I'm just keeping you real.

the 'real' jameslee

P.S. More classic Scott. Don't make me remind you again that you have absolutely no power or leverage over anyone on the face of the earth. Especially not your mother, Sarah, Paul, Wesley, or me. We make the call if you go anywhere with us. We make the call if you do anything with us. We call the shots; don't ever forget that.

"I think not so lay the F*ck off" Don't even get me started...

[This message has been edited by jameslee (edited 08-24-2000).]

[sbp]

Hmmm. Seems like you forgot to include what you originally wrote Mr. jameslee:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">Here's the somewhat insulting reply posted by jameslee in that thread</font><HR>Count again, you don't have 50 games Paladin. Are we going to have to dicuss your standard SI mile-long penis again?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Seems to me that if you didn't post that provoking remark Paladin wouldn't have reacted that way. Paladin is a young man and some of that hotheaded behaviour he did in the past here can be blamed on his youthful age. He has been well behaved lately.

Oh and lets not even getting into the propriety of making so-called backups to be used by solely by Dreamcast owners who actually own those games (of course). Can anyone else here say what a crock of crap that is? I knew you could.

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[This message has been edited by sbp (edited 08-24-2000).]

[Paladin]

James that was harsh. From now on I will just let you make fun of me either way I get screwed. I fight back you won't take me anywhere.

Thanks SBP

[jameslee]

sbp, let me tell you... if you knew Pal ITF (in the flesh), you'd understand.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Paladin is a young man and some of that hotheaded behaviour he did in the past here can be blamed on his youthful age. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Some"? All of it. What else could it be blamed on? For his first 50 posts, no one provoked him to be mean, he just was.

I'm not going to get into the intimate details of the situation, but consider this:

1. Sarah (his sister) and i take him everywhere,
2. We gave him a way better computer than the POS he had, and
3. I offer to lay down a lot of my own money to upgrade his computer so that it would be just like mine

And then i read his post telling me to "lay the F*ck off"?

I don't think so; Not in this lifetime.

[This message has been edited by jameslee (edited 08-24-2000).]

[Paladin]

Ohhh the nova pos that thing sucked bigtime

I owe you "BIGTIME"

[jameslee]

i let her read this... she agrees.

[Paladin]

James you may have leverage but your not god.

[jameslee]

Are you sure?

[Fuj]

This will be my first post on Got Apex. You see, normally I don't have a lot to say. However, when it comes to this topic, I do.
What jameslee is writing is dead on. Paladin needs to grow up and do so very quickly. We the people who have to deal with him on a regular basis are very tired of his attitude. Paladin still clings to the immature notion that he is the center of the universe. He still seems to think that everything we do has to deal with him or has to be in his best interest in some way. If it isn't, then we should be prepared to hear him complain (this usually means a few words thrown in with a bunch of profanities).
I've had it up to here *indicates over my head* with this young man. He seems to realize that our group is what he wants to be like. People like us. We've all got pretty good attitudes, good demeanors, and we have a lot of fun when we're together. In order to be like us, Paladin has taken the succubus route.
He's a leech, plain and simple. If he's around us, then he must be part of our group, right? *Smile* I think it's pretty obvious to everyone else that you and your attitude don't fit in with us. We've begged and pleaded with you to change your ways but still you refuse. And then you go and make things worse by picking and choosing what you leech from us when you are around us. It would be nice if our attitudes rubbed off on Paladin. He'd be a calmer more mature individual. But instead, he is content with just repeating what we say and taking it to be his own. This is a major no-no.
Just because someone says something to someone else does not mean that it should ever be repeated. What may be a teasing remark to you could be insulting to someone else. Being the center of the universe, this means little to Paladin. He'll simply repeat anything we say without considering where the comment is coming from or who should be hearing it. This, as you all might expect, is very annoying. It is also one of the prime reasons I don't talk to Paladin very much anymore. I just never know what he's going to say to anyone else that I might have said having been taken completely out of context.
Paladin has shown this same behavior here. That is part of what his initial bad posts were all about. He saw some of the regulars complaining about people not using the search and he's seen people saying that referrals are bad, so his first posts were all about complaining when people did this. Did he try to correct them? No, he just flamed them. Why, because he is young. He has lile control over some things in his life and this made him feel more powerful. Whoop-D-Whoop, Scott, you yelled at some people who did things they weren't supposed to. Did it do anything? Is the world a better place now that you did that? No. You could have simply corrected their behavior. Then at least something good would have come out of it. Complaining and cussing and calling people stupid did not a lick of good.
On top of all of this, Paladin displays very hypocritical behavior. He complains about poor grammar when he himself uses perpetually bad grammar. Typos happen. I'll give anyone that. But when puntuation consistently is missing and his horrible misuse of words (there=they're or their, your=you're) and just unorganized fragments. Whenever someone points out one of his bad posts to me, it takes me a while to read it because I have to try to figure out what he's trying to say first. It's just that bad. Or Paladin will flame somebody and complain when either that same individual or someone else flames him. Hello, Paladin. What makes you so special that you can hotheadedly yell at someone else with complete immunity.
It's 3:55 in the morning and I'm tired. I just had to support what jameslee has already said. He's not going over the edge. Paladin needs a good straightening out. It took about 15 different voices to get him to change his ways here at Got Apex. He was horrible and has gotten better. But Scott is still Scott to us. Maybe reading this will help it soak in. Scott, Paladin, whatever you want to call yourself, grow up. Do you even know what a Paladin is? When I hear Paladin, I think code of honor. I think chivalry. I think strength of will. What I don't think of is you, Scott.
I imagine Scott may not read this message. It is very direct. But you see, Scott needs this. You can't be subtle with this young man. It just doesn't work. I have voiced this to him before. Hopefully this time it takes.
Have I missed anything? *Crawls back into bed*

[jameslee]

i call Fujemon!

Here here. A truely great first post.

(50 wings and a LOT of spicy fries later, we 'the people' would just like you to know you were truely missed tonight. )

[Paladin]

Now I know where everyone stands even my sister. Against me fine I will shut up and go slit my wrists will that make you guys happy? huh sarah?? JIM???? FUjimon???

[Paladin]

Paul why did you have to get into this would you like me to start pointing out all of your guy's fault's??? Is that how we play this game? I know Jim needed backup and he told you to write something but damn don't you have anything better to do? Wow your guys hae such good attitudes when you can sit there all day and make fun of and degrade a younger kid does that make you feel better or something? Why does not james cal targetemon too while your at it. Let's make pal feel like trash so we can put him in his place. And about the only person on the face of this earth you have leverage on is me so the whole world does not revolve around you guy's either. WOw what a bunch of good guy's you are. I mean you follow me around make fun of most of my posts to make yourselves feel better. I want to hang with you guys more. NOT

[Fuj]

Scott, Scott, Scott... I hope you read all of my post. It was not a ream on Scott post. It was an explanatory post. You see, jameslee had a right to be upset with you. You've been getting on our mutual nerves lately. Telling jameslee to "shut the f$@# up" was not a all cool. He reacted. And then some people came to your defense. I just wanted to give everyone a good idea of why jameslee posted what he did. His message is totally legit.
Once again, the world does not revolve around you. Jim told you off and he knows I would have given the chance. So he showed me the link to the message. By reading his message I could share in his release of some of the pain you have caused us recently. But then I saw that there were some defenders of Paladin. And, yes, it's true that you have gotten better with your posts at Got Apex. However, your message to Jim showed that you are still the person that I was talking about. How could you be so ungrateful? Jim does so much for you. He doesn't have to do any of it. And you make it that much harder to do wen you act the way you do. Like it or not, we all have to deal with you. And or general attitudes mean that we want good things to happen around us. We want the people around us to be happy. So we do include you. We do take you places. But do you have to make it so hard? Everyone around you that cares about you has asked you to change your ways. Why would we even bother if we didn't care? You could go on being immature and see how far that attitude takes you in life.
People don't respect a person who just takes and takes and takes. And, sadly to say, as long as I've known you that's all you've been doing to me. But you are Sarah's brother. So I make an exception. And Jim cares about Sarah. So I make an exception. But you really need to change your ways. I can still respect you for who you are without doing anything positive or negative toward you. I'd rather you became a more mature person and then I wouldn't mind doing good things for you. As it stands right now, you don't deserve any favors from me.
So let me just respond to your post. You said, "Paul why did you have to get into this would you like me to start pointing out all of your guy's fault's??? Is that how we play this game? I know Jim needed backup and he told you to write something but damn don't you have anything better to do?" Well, I already explained why I got into it. Jim spoke the truth. He was not out of line. And when others came to your defense it set of a marker in my mind. They were uninformed about the truth of the situation. They saw a better Paladin at Got Apex. However, they did not see the real Scott. I wasn't pointing out all of your faults. I was making light of some of the major reasons why you seem to act the way you do. By bringing those out I was hoping that you could see the error of your ways and change. I still contend that the major contributor is your attitude which seems to say that you are the center of the universe. Gain perspective, young man. You need it. We are not all here to serve you and act out some little play you've got going for us in your head. We all have things to do. We aren't always going to want to do the things that you want us to do. As far as me having better things to do, yes, sir, I have better things to do. Sleep is one thing. But after I read the thread here I couldn't sleep. I had to say something. I read the post at 2:30 (I usually don't sleep very well and saw an ICQ from Jim then). It plagued my conscious mind for about an hour. I couldn't sleep without getting my message off of my chest. So I wrote it and crawled back into bed when I was done. You've tried to oversimplify the reasoning behind my message. My world does not revolve around you. I'm not stalking your messages. I'm not trying to be mean. I read Jim's message. I saw sbp and chosenfool's replies. I had to chime in. I've seen your attitude; I've seen the way you treat your mom, your sister, Jim and I. I want to see a better more mature Scott. And lastly, I wanted to sleep.
You said, "Wow your guys hae such good attitudes when you can sit there all day and make fun of and degrade a younger kid does that make you feel better or something?" Let me tell you, I spend less than 1% of my time thinking about you Scott. Whenever your name comes up, I'm sad to say that I just have to think, "Oh, dear, what has he done now?" It doesn't make me feel better. The only way it would make me feel better would be if it actually got you to change. There's a quote that goes something like "When I was a child, I thought like a child, saw the world like a child, and acted like a child. Now that I am a man, I have given up childish ways" (loosely quoted, source unknown). If my message could have gotten you to give up our childish ways, then I would have been happy that I helped you to grow as an adult. However, as it stands, it seems that you still cling to your childish ways.
You said, "Why does not james cal targetemon too while your at it. Let's make pal feel like trash so we can put him in his place." This is not about putting you in your place. You're old enough now that I'd like to see you become more mature. Kid time is over Scott. Be a man. You know what, age had little to do with it. I've seen little tykes who display much more maturity than you are showing us. On the other hand, I've seen much older individuals who act just like you do. It's a conscious choice Scott. Can you see the big picture? Can you see the world as it is? Can you see the world through someone else's eyes? Can you see the incredible dichotomy that exists in this life? We are all so insignificant in the grand scheme of things. We are but a tiny speck in the universe. We exist but in a tiny little spot in the universe's timeline. But we are special. We are alive. We are more than just a collection of atoms. The life of a child brings little to those around them. Yes, they are marvelous and can bring love, but they often need a lot. As an adult, you can give so much more to those around you. You can make a difference. Don't you want to make a difference?
You said, "And about the only person on the face of this earth you have leverage on is me so the whole world does not revolve around you guy's either." This is not about leverage. It's not a power struggle. I just want to see you grow, Scott. Become more than you are now, Scott. Please. I know the world doesn't revolve around me. I figured it out when I was six. I think you could at least try to figure it out now that you are fifteen.
You said, "WOw what a bunch of good guy's you are. I mean you follow me around make fun of most of my posts to make yourselves feel better. I want to hang with you guys more. NOT" I think we are nice guys. People who know us think we are nice guys. I not so nice guy wouldn't post this message. He wouldn't care about you like we do. Behave like a kid. What would he care. He probably wouldn't have to deal with you for very long anyway. I want to see you grow. I want to see you find yourself. Find a better Scott. I don't want you to stop hanging out with us. I know there can be a lot of bad influences out there. At least when you're with us, I know we could be a good influence (even if it hasn't happened yet). I just don't want to be around you when you behave the way you do. Please, join us as an adult.
I have to get to work. Please, really read this post. I think it will be good for you.

[jameslee]

As i told Fujemon after his first post, "truer words have never been spoken."

Pal, you really should read Fuj's two posts and think about them. (i mean really think about them.)

the 'real' jameslee

[target]

* targetmon enters the arena *

sorry, no maximum spidey attack this morning. fujemon seems well-evoloved enough to handle himself. no backup required on my part.

* targetmon shakes head disconcertingly at the total lack of comprehension. slaps self in forhead with hand and crawls back into bed after a long night of, er, drinking *



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strength and honor

[renots]

The Golden Rule. Sadly it take some a little longer to realize it applies to everyone equally.

:0)

[jameslee]

Or the Platinum Rule: treat others as they would like to be treated.

[kick@ss]

Jim and Paul - Were the flames necessary? I mean you could have just ICQ'ed him instead of trying to gain attention by "intelligently" flaming him.

[kick@ss]

And sbp, I am also 15, you don't me acting like him so it is not contributed to age.

[Paladin]

Well damn paul. You sometimes could have used some nicer words but that was a very good post thanks for telling me that If you had been mean like Jim has with the threats and such it would have been bad. And about me taking taking and taking what do I have that I could give you or you would want? So there is no way for me to return your favors. Hey just ask me If you want me to give you something. Well who started talking to who first I said nothing to JIM at all he starting making fun of me for no reason at all except he thought it was funny. Well It was not funny to me. Then I fight back and get reamed by many people. Or just james more than once.

Thanks paul
JIM You don't know it all an example that platium rule thing always finding something better huh. Just be nicer. From now on I will keep my mouth shut and be quiet untill my name is spoken or someone(James) makes fun of my posts.

A last word is Who started this whole thing?

[pennypinch]

As much as we all love to see you having your little family feud, maybe it'd be more appropriate to take this somewhere else...I mean, really, what do you all gain by grandstanding in front of a few hundred strangers? Sounds pretty stupid to me. You sure as hell wouldn't do this in the non-internet public; why do it here? For you to talk about the golden rule smacks of hypocrisy: would you like it if we came over to your house and started verbally berating some kid we didn't like? Then don't do it here.
I'm glad you're all old enough/"mature" enough to understand the concept of privacy.

[jameslee]

pennypinch, i chose to address Paladin (a.k.a. Scott) here in Apex's Forums for a reason.

As much as i'm ashamed to say it, i introduced Paladin to Got Apex. i told him about the deals and then i showed him the site. i unleashed onto Apex the horror contained within Pandora's Box.

His mother, his sister, Fuj, 'we the people' have all tried talking to him about his attitude. We've tried and tried and tried, but our efforts were (for the most part) in vain.

Like most teenagers Paladin takes easily to things, and believe me when i say he's taken to Apex. Even with a brand new console sitting in his living room and around 40 games, i still heard him spending countless hours typing away on the forums. That's an example of how much he's taken to Apex. That's why i used Apex's forums.

We know (from experience) that a lot of times what we tell Scott goes 'in one ear and out the other'. Frankly, we're tired of saying the same things over and over again. Here on Apex (and now on paper since i visited a campus lab,) Scott has somewhere he can go to see what he can improve. (Not to mention it helps to have documentation somewhere proving we've said what we've said. )

More later... i'm going to take a break from hunting Paladin's posts to go shopping. (j/k)

[This message has been edited by jameslee (edited 08-25-2000).]

[kick@ss]

Jim read this
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Okay, so you have identified some character flaws with Scott. The main one you seem to be getting at is his attitude. You want him to act like an adult and the only way you can achieve it is pointing out what you don't like in him and want him to change. I am sure this is not helping at all, in fact it is probably doing more harm than good, since it is coming off as flames. It is just pissing him off leading to more flaming, which you identified as a "childish way". You don't want him to flame anyone anymore, but yet you flame him. By flaming him doesn't that show your "childish ways"? Everyone's character is flawed in one way or another, no one is perfect but you seem to not be able to comprehend this. I am willing to bet when you were 15 you were not a super mature, totally adult acting person. However you have grown out of it as you became an adult, or so you say. What makes you think that Scott won't just grow out of it? He will probably meet a situation in life where his "childish ways" will not help him at all, causing more harm than damage, and he will realize the need for a more mature way to look at conflicts and problems. Having Paul come in, as your backup, was not the mature thing to do either, but at least Paul's post wasn't total flaming. Who cares who found out about the cable deal first or whatever you may be arguing about, as long as you both get to partake in the excellent deal. In conclusion, just give him time to grow out of these "childish ways" that you are talking about and stop arguing.


Damn, I feel like renots with this longer post, but not quite.

[Fuj]

I just want to clear a few things up. I was in no way solicited to writing my messages. jameslee simply pointed out this topic to me. I, myself, have been considering a sort of intervention with Paladin in real life. jameslee kind of started it early. However, when I saw the path the thread was taking, I saw that it just looked like two people mad at each other. But who had a right to be mad and rant? This forum is about rants and raves right? Well, in my opinion, jameslee had more than enough reason to say what he said. And so I posted a message about why his anger was justified.

As far as I understand what flaming is, it involves online yelling at someone and often involves a few curse words and many insults here and there. I do not believe that I was guilty of this. I was trying to show Paladin why we the people who have had to deal with him were not happy with him. I never cursed, I never insulted.

And, Paladin, you still don't seem to understand everything that I am saying. I don't need you to give me anything. If anything I just want you to show me some respect as a fellow human being. The only thing that I can think of that you might give me is some satisfaction. Show me that my posts were not made in vain. Show me that you are willing to change for the better. You've already thanked me for my posts. For that I am very welcome. I was just trying to be a good person who knew you. I wanted to see you being a better person.

For all you who hadn't realized, Paladin was a better person on Got Apex. But it was not unlike a smoker who refrains from smoking in a smoke free facility. Are they a non-smoker? No, they just aren't smoking at the time. While Paladin was better with his posts in here, he was the same to those who weren't writing in an online forum.

As to why we are doing this online, well it's because Paladin is online. He's very much involved with Got Apex. He reads the forum. He would see this. And you know what, the people here were able to get him to change his flaming posts with their own posts, I was hoping that I could get him to change his attitude by reading how I felt.

As far as I'm concerned, it sounds like Paladin is going to make a conscious effort to change. I am happy about that. I know that as he opens his eyes and his mind to the world of adults he will be happy too.

[Paladin]

Thanks I did not say you were flaming. You did not you just kinda stated the truth.

[kick@ss]

Flaming - As defined by dictionary.com:

- To make insulting criticisms or remarks, as on a computer network, to incite anger.

- To insult or criticize provokingly, as on a computer network.
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=flaming

[Fuj]

Alright, kick@ss, I see. But as you can see, not even Paladin thinks I was flaming. So I hardly think my posts were flames. Criticism is one thing. Criticism to induce anger is another. But what if a person simply does not take well to criticism. Then is it a flame? I think not. While my posts seemed to incite some anger in you being defensive as a mutual 15 year old, they were not at all meant to make Paladin angry.

They were meant to enlighten him about how his behavior affects me as someone who deals with him in the real world. He did not take it as a flame. If anyone has the authority to call a post a flame or not, I would think it would be the person for whom the post is meant for.

[kick@ss]

Yes I agree.

[reagancajun]

Why do you dumbf***s feel the need to air your dirty laundry on this bulletin board. Presumably you're in the same zip code; why don't you talk on the phone or in person and spare us the drama of your personal lives?

[jameslee]

reagancajun, my momma always said, "flamer is as flamer does."

FYI, YDA (You Dumb A$$) we're not in the same zip. And if you were actually literate, then you'd know why we chose the BBS.

Cretin...