Video Proof of why you should OBEY the Cops when they pull you over...

**DarkFury** · 06-01-2005, 11:45 PM

Oh... this is messed up. But honestly, that lady brought it on herself.

She obviously didn't follow "Chris Rock's" advice on how to deal with the cops...

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/palmbeachp...aserarrest.mov

Note: this clip has some foul language... proceed with due caution.

**tupacboy** · 06-01-2005, 11:49 PM

dude that lady is dumb...

**MrGreg** · 06-02-2005, 12:09 AM

I can't see what's happening in the car, so I won't go so far as to say she deserved it... but she had every chance to avoid it.

**Thesifer** · 06-02-2005, 12:22 AM

Im not too sure the second tase was called for.. Some people have different pain tolerances than others.. and she may have really not been able to do what he said at that point.. the first one.. she had every chance to avoid tho.. but according to what I Saw.. she never got "Violent" so a taser might have been a bit extreme.. Cops tend to enjoy using force when they are pretty sure they can get away with it.. Even if they dont warn you.. if it isnt on camera.. then they just do it anyways..

**eSDee** · 06-02-2005, 12:28 AM

Geez what the hell did she do to deserve that? Did she really take a swing at the cop? That really seemed a bit inhumane. I can't imagine what the person on the other side of the phone was thinking.

**brainsmile** · 06-02-2005, 12:30 AM

well I think she was being a bit defiant by being on the phone. But I'd move if something that looked like a gun was pointed at me.

**yippiekiyeh** · 06-02-2005, 12:44 AM

Was race an issue?

**chadlnc** · 06-02-2005, 04:21 AM

She was setting that up for a lawsuit from the very start. It started with making sure her mom knew what was going on over the phone and then continued with the forced fake crying. Really if you have kids or have spent anytime around them, you know forced crying when you hear and honestly her's needs a little work.

No it wasn't nessecary, she could have just complied and got out of the car

**CynJon** · 06-02-2005, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by DarkFury

She obviously didn't follow "Chris Rock's" advice on how to deal with the cops...

"Get a white friend?"

**Jeffbx** · 06-02-2005, 05:56 AM

Oh man -

And the Oscar goes to... the driver! She played the victim from the second she was pulled over. I'll tell you what - if a cop points a taser at me & tells me to get out of the car, whether I think it's necessary or not, my butt will be out of that car in a hurry!

**nickel** · 06-02-2005, 06:11 AM

draaaaaaaaama queen right there. as far as feeling sorry for her, if she would have cooperated after being asked and warned repeatedly before she got tased it wouldn't have happened. it's on tape. she's to blame.

and no... i don't see how race is an issue here. she was driving with a suspended license. that's why she was pulled over. she was defiant and didn't do what the cops told her that's why she was tased.

**oblongmelon** · 06-02-2005, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by chadlnc

She was setting that up for a lawsuit from the very start. It started with making sure her mom knew what was going on over the phone and then continued with the forced fake crying. Really if you have kids or have spent anytime around them, you know forced crying when you hear and honestly her's needs a little work.

Boy you got that right-she was telling whomever was on the phone that they were going to arrest her before she was even tased....
Chaching!$$$$$$$$$$$$$, and then to say when they were going to SHOOT HER? lololol chaaaaaaaaaaachingbling$$$$$$$$$

**Merlin** · 06-02-2005, 06:58 AM

I would like to see what becomes of this. As I see it the police tazed a non violent person not once but twice. Why? Because she was on the phone and they didn't like it. Also the cops said she took a swing at them. I bet he said that for a little CYA action on the tape. It is not the best video but I didn't see her move toward anyone. And if she didn't - then they just did it out of spite, and who doesn't want to be spiteful to people on cell phones

Obviously the police need to control the situation when harrassing citizens - opps I mean performing traffic stops, but from the looks of that video they went way overboard.

And I have to disagree with the rest of you - getting a beatdown by police is not something any non-violent person "has coming to her."

**Burzhui** · 06-02-2005, 07:04 AM

Beautiful, just beautiful

"Yall are racist" She deserve every bit of it, talking on the phone with your license suspended, not respondig to a police officer, yea that'll get you tazed.

**nickel** · 06-02-2005, 07:12 AM

what state did this take place in? anyone catch that?

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Originally Posted by Merlin

I would like to see what becomes of this. As I see it the police tazed a non violent person not once but twice. Why? Because she was on the phone and they didn't like it. Also the cops said she took a swing at them. I bet he said that for a little CYA action on the tape. It is not the best video but I didn't see her move toward anyone. And if she didn't - then they just did it out of spite, and who doesn't want to be spiteful to people on cell phones

Obviously the police need to control the situation when harrassing citizens - opps I mean performing traffic stops, but from the looks of that video they went way overboard.

And I have to disagree with the rest of you - getting a beatdown by police is not something any non-violent person "has coming to her."

they told her to get off the phone and out of the vehicle repeatedly. she was not complying. so he told her she would be tased if she didn't comply. he warned her. he didn't just taze her out of the blue.

so you are the cop Merlin. how would you handle her and get her to comply?

i guess i don't see having sympathy for her because she was pulled over for having a suspended license which is reasonable, and she was asked reasonably to get off the phone and out of the vehicle several times. if i were her, i would have complied with the law enforcement officials or else faced the consequences.

**DarkFury** · 06-02-2005, 07:17 AM

Honestly...

The last time the cops pulled me over... I was FULLY cooperative with them. I was even nervous that he wouldn't give me enough time to get my license and registration out of my glove box in thinkin' that I might be goin' for a weapon or something.

Here in Indy... if you even give the slightest hint of "trouble" they will call for backup and you'll have at least 3 squad cars pull up within minutes.

I've seen it way too many times... car stopped and 4 or 5 officers present and ready to draw weapons. Last thing I wanna do is get a "beat down" by the Law... cause honestly you gonna lose either way in that fight.

Pretty much... she shoulda just gotten off the phone and complied with the officer's request. The LAST thing you wanna do is start arguing with them... cause once you piss them off... all hell can break loose.

**Merlin** · 06-02-2005, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by nickel

so you are the cop Merlin. how would you handle her and get her to comply?

Honestly I don't know. But a full blown violent response to a non violent person seems a bit off to me. I agree that she should do what was instructed. That is not the issue. For me the issue is when does this level of violence become acceptable. And just because it is non lethal does not mean it is non violent.

**nickel** · 06-02-2005, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Merlin

Honestly I don't know. But a full blown violent response to a non violent person seems a bit off to me. I agree that she should do what was instructed. That is not the issue. For me the issue is when does this level of violence become acceptable. And just because it is non lethal does not mean it is non violent.

i dunno... you don't seem to have an alternative action as a means to end the situation, and i don't think there was one.
if she wasn't warned that she was going to be tased, and given ample time to comply so that wouldn't happen, i would have to agree more with you.

**bbrian** · 06-02-2005, 08:28 AM

I agree with Merlin. Just because someone isn't complying with a command doesn't mean a cop can get violent with them. It means they can use force to get them to obey the command. Force != Violence. The tazer is supposed to be an alternative to the night stick or firing a gun at them, not an alternative to wrestle someone out of a car or to get them to get off the phone. That's just silly. Cops are trained on how to pull someone from a car and how to subdue them without physically harming them.

Tazers are supposed to be non-lethal, but there's still instances where people have died from being tazered.

For those saying she deserved it, had she died from being tazered would it still have been warranted? If so, why not just shoot her?

Originally Posted by nickel

if she wasn't warned that she was going to be tased, and given ample time to comply so that wouldn't happen, i would have to agree more with you.

If he had warned he was going to shoot her, would it have been ok to shoot her too?

**Grubbie** · 06-02-2005, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Merlin

Honestly I don't know. But a full blown violent response to a non violent person seems a bit off to me. I agree that she should do what was instructed. That is not the issue. For me the issue is when does this level of violence become acceptable. And just because it is non lethal does not mean it is non violent.

What else were they supposed to do? Ya the second tase maybe not needed. However, they were attempting to arrest her and she didn't follow instructions. Disobyed an order from an officer(well a couple, get off the phone and exit the vehicle). Ya he could of tried to pull her out of the car, but that could of been worse.

In the end, I think the cop should of been like, mam we are placing you under arrest for a suspended license, please step out of the car. If then she didn't, and continued to blab on the phone. THEN you can say, if you don't step out of the car, I will tase you.

I just think they should of told her she was being arrested and she needed to get out of the car. But she was dumb and didn't follow orders, I was waiting for her to faint at the very end and fall over and scream in fake pains.

**nickel** · 06-02-2005, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by bbrian

I agree with Merlin. Just because someone isn't complying with a command doesn't mean a cop can get violent with them. It means they can use force to get them to obey the command. Force != Violence. The tazer is supposed to be an alternative to the night stick or firing a gun at them, not an alternative to wrestle someone out of a car or to get them to get off the phone. That's just silly. Cops are trained on how to pull someone from a car and how to subdue them without physically harming them.

Tazers are supposed to be non-lethal, but there's still instances where people have died from being tazered.

For those saying she deserved it, had she died from being tazered would it still have been warranted? If so, why not just shoot her?

If he had warned he was going to shoot her, would it have been ok to shoot her too?

no, the situation didn't warrant a gun. don't be silly.

i think you make a big assumption thinking that it would be easy to get that woman out of the vehicle and on the ground without hurting her. she obviously wasn't going to go easily.

followup would be nice, because i'll bet she suffered no ill effects from the tazing. i think her carrying on was a big act.

*paging gug!!!!*

**bbrian** · 06-02-2005, 09:02 AM

Did the situation warrant a night stick and beating her with it? Again, the tazer is an alternative to other physically harmful tools that the police have at their disposal. Lots of people resist the police, but resistance should be met with force, not violence.

My dad is CLEAT instructor and has been in law enforcement for 15 years.. I have no doubt the cop could have pulled her out of the car without hurting her. I wrestled all through high school and I spent a lot of time 'resisting' my dad during his training. He has pulled me out of cars, wrestled me to the ground from standing and running positions, and taken guns from me. All without hurting me. And believe me I resisted with all my might. I didn't want my dad out wrestling people to the ground without being able to do it well. I'm not saying that their techniques don't have a chance of hurting you and that they may be uncomfortable while being performed, but you have almost zero chance of dying while being physically subdued. The chance of being hurt is really in the control of the person being subdued.. the more you resists the more likely you are to be hurt during the manuever. While helping my dad I would resist to the point that I was worried I was going to break a bone if I didn't do what he was trying to get me to do. I'd take that any day over a tazer..

btw-In order to get a tazer my dad had to be tazered. I don't think any state requires this, so a lot of officers have no idea what it feels like. I asked him to tazer me and he wouldn't do it.

**Merlin** · 06-02-2005, 09:03 AM

Again, I don't know what would have been the best thing to do but from just watching the vid it seemed really over the top.

Originally Posted by Grubbie

...mam we are placing you under arrest for a suspended license, please step out of the car.

That is the other part that bothered me. At first he just asked her to get off the phone there was nothing mentioned about being put under arrest. It is hard to tell o lot from just some video but it looked to me like the arrest was nothing more than a response to her being on the phone and the cop not liking that. Maybe the suspended license is just as true as the "swing" she took at them.

**BrewMaster** · 06-02-2005, 09:03 AM

Gugenheim surely knows better, but I think cops are issued tazers for exactly this kind of situation. A cop shouldn't have to wrestle an adult out of a car or negotiate them out of a car because they want to talk on the phone. A traffic stop is not a democratic process. You do what the cop f*cking says or else you can't bitch about the consequences. So maybe the second taze was a bit excessive. But that certainly doesn't mean he shouldn't have tazed her to begin with.

Originally Posted by bbrian

btw-In order to get a tazer my dad had to be tazered. I don't think any state requires this, so a lot of officers have no idea what it feels like. I asked him to tazer me and he wouldn't do it.

according to the video, both of the cops involved had been tazered before (probably like your dad, so that they can get their tazer).

Originally Posted by Merlin

That is the other part that bothered me. At first he just asked her to get off the phone there was nothing mentioned about being put under arrest. It is hard to tell o lot from just some video but it looked to me like the arrest was nothing more than a response to her being on the phone and the cop not liking that. Maybe the suspended license is just as true as the "swing" she took at them.

A swing you can make up. A suspended license is not something a cop can make up. Either her license is suspended or not. It's not a matter of opinion. She didn't disagree about the license. Also, she seemed to know that she was going to be arrested from the start so I suspect she knew exactly why they pulled her over.

**Thesifer** · 06-02-2005, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by nickel

draaaaaaaaama queen right there. as far as feeling sorry for her, if she would have cooperated after being asked and warned repeatedly before she got tased it wouldn't have happened. it's on tape. she's to blame.

and no... i don't see how race is an issue here. she was driving with a suspended license. that's why she was pulled over. she was defiant and didn't do what the cops told her that's why she was tased.

Uhmm what? .. The Cop knew who the driver was and that her License was suspsended before he pulled her over??

**BrewMaster** · 06-02-2005, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Thesifer

Uhmm what? .. The Cop knew who the driver was and that her License was suspsended before he pulled her over??

they have these things on the back of cars called license plates. if they run that, they can tell that the owner of the car has a suspended license. and if the owner is driving the car, well, they can put 2 and 2 together.

**bbrian** · 06-02-2005, 09:28 AM

Here's the rules my dad's department follows for when NOT to use a taser:

for the dispersal of non-violent persons;
for disorderly crowds;
in situations where people are exercising their constitutional rights of free speech or assembly;
at random;
or as a threat to gain compliance or information.

He said the general rule is the person must first be violent towards them before they can use it, which is probably why the cop mentions the lady swinging at him. The sheriff tells his department to avoid problems that they should only be using it as an alternative to lethal force, since tasers have killed people. He also mentioned that a lot of manufactures are no longer calling them non-lethal weapons and are instead calling them less-lethal weapons.

**RIVERWIDOW** · 06-02-2005, 09:29 AM

All she had to do was get her *ss out of the car. She choose not to do it after repeated requests(orders) What the Hell did she think was going to happen if she didn't comply? I am sick to death of people crying foul because they get in trouble but don't want to take responsibility. She totally deserved it. A simple step out of the car would have prevented the whole thing but as others have stated , I think she smelled $$$ from the git go. All over a suspended license. What an idiot.