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    Ford and Toyota Recalls

    That's alot of vehicles for Ford.
    WASHINGTON - — Ford and Toyota, two of the world’s largest automakers, on Wednesday recalled nearly 5 million pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles in separate moves to respond to concerns of engine fires and problems with the power-steering system.

    The recall by Ford Motor Co., the fifth-largest auto industry recall in U.S. history, involved 3.8 million pickups and SUVs from the 1994-2002 model years, including the top-selling F-150 pickup.

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and Ford have been investigating complaints of engine fires linked to the cruise control switch system.
    Toyota Motor Corp., meanwhile, recalled 978,000 sport utility vehicles and pickup trucks over complaints that a rod linking the steering wheel and the wheels could fracture when the steering wheel is turned while the vehicle is stopped. The affected vehicles include the 1990-1995 4Runner SUV, 1989-1995 truck 4WD and 1993-1998 T-100 pickup.

    In the Ford case, NHTSA said Wednesday it was reviewing 1,170 allegations of engine fires related to the vehicles and would continue a probe launched earlier this year. There have been allegations of three deaths in cases cited in news reports or lawsuits in Iowa, Georgia and Arkansas.

    Ford’s recall includes the 1994-2002 F-150, 1997-2002 Ford Expedition, 1998-2002 Lincoln Navigator and 1994-1996 Ford Bronco equipped with factory-installed speed control. It covers most of the vehicles being evaluated by NHTSA.

    Ford said its inquiry found brake fluid could leak through the cruise control’s deactivation switch into the system’s electrical components, leading to potential corrosion. That could lead to a buildup of electrical current that could cause overheating and a fire.

    Owners will be notified by mail immediately. Dealers will install a fused wiring harness to act as a circuit breaker in the system. The company said the harness would cut off electrical current to the switch if the current increases.

    In January, Ford recalled nearly 800,000 vehicles from the 2000 model year because of concerns over engine fires.

    “We have a solution that fixes the problem and we’re confident that this is going to be the right remedy,” said Ford spokeswoman Kristen Kinley.

    Texas Instruments Inc. supplied the switch in all of the models. TI spokeswoman Gail Chandler noted that the switch was one part of the system and said the company “continues to have confidence in the safe design of the switch itself.”

    The Ford F-series truck has been the best-selling full-size pickup for nearly three decades. In July, when the company offered its employee discount to all buyers, the F-series set a record for the highest monthly sales of any vehicle since the 1920s with total sales of 126,905 trucks.

    The recall, which will cost millions of dollars, comes at a difficult time for Ford. The company’s second-quarter profits were down 19 percent to $900 million, hurt by increasing competition and high labor and health care costs. The automaker plans to lay off at least 2,750 salaried workers in North America by the end of the year.

    “This issue has been kind’ve bubbling up with the fires ... so they needed to do something quickly. They certainly didn’t want another Firestone tire issue on their hands,” said Rebecca Lindland, an analyst for Lexington, Mass.-based research firm Global Insight.

    Former presidential candidate Ralph Nader, a longtime auto safety advocate, said the recall was insufficient, citing similar switches found on 16 million Ford vehicles.

    “Ford Motor Company’s sluggish and piecemeal approach to its automotive responsibilities betrays motorists’ safety,” Nader said.

    Toyota said its recall would begin in mid-September and was based on seven confirmed cases of the power-steering problem in T100 vehicles. No crashes have been tied to the issue.

    Toyota’s profits were down 7 percent to $2.4 billion in the April-June period but the company is generally healthier than its U.S. rivals.

    Toyota’s U.S. sales were up 11.4 percent in the first eight months of this year, compared with an average increase of 3.5 percent for the Big Three. Car sales made up most of that increase. Sales of light trucks — including the 4Runner — were up only 2 percent.
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    So does that Furd recall sound anything like part of the SImpson's commercial for the 'Canyonero'?

    'Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!'
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    The small ones that seemed so big,
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    And yet there is only one great thing, the only thing:

    To live to see the great day that dawns,
    And the light that fills the world.


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    Overheard at an anonymous automaker:

    There are no such things as fires involving automobiles. Legal has required that Engineering and Service use the term "thermal event".

    Legal has also stricken the term "firewall". The part of the car that is under the hood and directly below the windshield behind the engine shall be referred to as a "bulkhead". Legal's position is that the term "firewall" may lead customers to believe that there is either risk of or implied protection from from an unexpected thermal event.

    Yes, this is a gag, in case you were wondering. Please resist the impulse to "thermal event" me here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mechmike0034
    Overheard at an anonymous automaker:

    There are no such things as fires involving automobiles. Legal has required that Engineering and Service use the term "thermal event".

    Legal has also stricken the term "firewall". The part of the car that is under the hood and directly below the windshield behind the engine shall be referred to as a "bulkhead". Legal's position is that the term "firewall" may lead customers to believe that there is either risk of or implied protection from from an unexpected thermal event.

    Yes, this is a gag, in case you were wondering. Please resist the impulse to "thermal event" me here.
    Even if it IS a joke...I wouldn't put it past automakers to do something like this to cover their butts.

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    Quote:

    Ford said its inquiry found brake fluid could leak through the cruise control’s deactivation switch into the system’s electrical components, leading to potential corrosion. That could lead to a buildup of electrical current that could cause overheating and a fire.

    That’s funny, the girlfriend has a 00 F-150 and we have had no such problems with it until we brought the vehicle in. I took it in to have the cruise control disabled; they literally walked outside and put electrical tape over the connector. Any moron could do that. Then three months later she took the truck in to have the 'fix' put in place and now the bottom of the brake fluid reservoir is leaking... I will be talking to the rep at the shop to find out why there is a puddle of brake fluid below the vehicle now when it is parked. The more I take a vehicle into a dealership / mechanic for warranty work or maintenance because I don't have time to do it the more I say to my self what an idiot I am.
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    I am just waiting for the fockers to issue a recall on 1994 Furd Rangers due to distributor problems or something along those lines. Then LK has fun, our ranger and 2-3 others we know of had bad problems with stalling. I was pushing a stalled ranger off the road when my knee gave out. We are pretty sure there is something wrong with them, it's only a matter of time.

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    Sell your FURD now... while you still have time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkFury
    Sell your FURD now... while you still have time.
    Before it's Found Off Road, Deserted?
    I think over again
    My small adventures, my fears.
    The small ones that seemed so big,
    For all the vital things I had to get and to reach.

    And yet there is only one great thing, the only thing:

    To live to see the great day that dawns,
    And the light that fills the world.


    -old Inuit song

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    the dealerships are a scam. i have a friend that works as a dealership garage mechanic, and they are told "off the record" to screw something else up so the customer has another problem in the neer future that the dealership with their great expertize can fix it when the customer comes back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyjack
    the dealerships are a scam. i have a friend that works as a dealership garage mechanic, and they are told "off the record" to screw something else up so the customer has another problem in the neer future that the dealership with their great expertize can fix it when the customer comes back.
    That'd be hell on CSI scores, which are a big benchmark with each and every auto manufacturer.

    I don't doubt that there's a bad apple or two out there, but what you are saying is not the norm.

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    Nah... it's just that FURD parts are designed to fail, right outside of the warranty period.


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    As an unhappy coincidence, last weekend I went into the dealership to have some minor repairs done and some maintenance performed. Then I went and installed a new battery as the old one was leaking.
    A few hours later a gasket blew. I took it to a different shop.

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    FORD SUCKS!! I had such a bad experience when I had my T-Bird ('92) ...my first car and I put so much f-en money into it!! First my transmission went out ....fixed it, then it went out again but it was within the warranty of the shop so they fixed it again .....ok now BUT not my problem anymore!!!

    same thing happened to my friend who had a '97 T-Bird ....they're just made to fail!!

    i also had to replace my alternator while on vacation! my power steering pump leaked ...had to be replaced .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by esme
    FORD SUCKS!! I had such a bad experience when I had my T-Bird ('92) ...my first car and I put so much f-en money into it!! First my transmission went out ....fixed it, then it went out again but it was within the warranty of the shop so they fixed it again .....ok now BUT not my problem anymore!!!

    same thing happened to my friend who had a '97 T-Bird ....they're just made to fail!!

    i also had to replace my alternator while on vacation! my power steering pump leaked ...had to be replaced .....
    Please refer to this thread....

    http://www.gotapex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87108


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    Update: /rant on
    I got under the hood, used some simple green and cleaned off all the brake fluid that had leaked from my gf's brake reservoir. The brake fluid leaks directly on top of the ABS controller in the f-150’s, the funny thing is it never had a problem until the stealership touched it. I noticed they replaced a sensor on the brake reservoir and failed to tighten it down properly, so I tightened it down and so far so good. Saves me a 10$ gas bill and time lost going to the dealership, but it pisses me off they can’t do things right in the first place. The reservoir would leak half of its contents in 3 days of normal driving. Thanks for ‘fixing’ my problem.
    /rant off

    Honestly, this happens to all manufacturers of cars, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Honda, Mitsubishi, Toyota, etc. multiple times throughout their career, you just have to suck it up and make the best of it. I consider myself lucky that one morning I didn’t have to wake up with her truck as a flaming ball of fire.
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