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**Markel** · 10-12-2005, 02:42 PM

Arkansas Mother Gives Birth to 16th Child

Oct 12, 4:16 PM (ET)

By MELISSA NELSON

(AP) In this photo released by the Discovery Health Channel shows the Duggar children and their father...

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) - Michelle Duggar just delivered her 16th child, and she's already thinking about doing it again.

Johannah Faith Duggar was born at 6:30 a.m. Tuesday and weighed 7 pounds, 6.5 ounces.

The baby's father, Jim Bob Duggar, a former state representative, said Wednesday that mother and child were doing well.

He said Johannah's birth was especially exciting because it was the first time in eight years the family has had a girl.

Jim Bob Duggar, 40, said he and Michelle, 39, want more children.

"We both just love children and we consider each a blessing from the Lord. I have asked Michelle if she wants more and she said yes, if the Lord wants to give us some she will accept them," he said.

The Discovery Health Channel filmed Johannah's birth and plans to air a show about the family of 18 next May.

The Learning Channel is doing another show about the family's construction project, a 7,000-square foot house that should be finished before Christmas. The home, which the family has been building for two years, will have nine bathrooms, dormitory-style bedrooms for the girls and boys, a commercial kitchen, four washing machines and four dryers.

Jim Bob Duggar, who sells real estate, previously lost his bid for the U.S. Senate. He said he expects to run for the state Senate next year but isn't ready to make a formal announcement.

Michelle Duggar had her first child at age 21, four years after the couple married.

Their children include two sets of twins, and each child has a name beginning with the letter "J": Joshua, 17; John David, 15; Janna, 15; Jill, 14; Jessa, 12; Jinger, 11; Joseph, 10; Josiah, 9; Joy-Anna, 8; Jeremiah, 6; Jedidiah, 6; Jason, 5; James, 4; Justin, 2; and Jackson Levi, 1.

Sounds like another great bunch of future conservatives!

**Airencracken** · 10-12-2005, 03:17 PM

This is just plain unnecessary.

**Grimm** · 10-12-2005, 03:17 PM

If you want that many kids, adopt.
It's not socialy responsible to have that many kids, if everyone did it the entire world would be so over populated in a decade or two that the world could not support us.

**esme** · 10-12-2005, 03:23 PM

that's just 15 tooo many for me ......i'm good w/just 1 kid ......

**InfiniteNothing** · 10-12-2005, 03:25 PM

Is it really unusual to have 16 kids. Didn't the Bin Ladens have like 70 ish.

Huh. It must be their plan to take out the world that way.

**cheapchinese** · 10-12-2005, 03:31 PM

16 ?!?!?!
how much welfare can she technically collect?

**RoniMan** · 10-12-2005, 03:35 PM

[longshank]the problem with scotland is that it's full of scots!

if we can't get them out, we'll breed them out[/longshank]

*disclaimer* for some reason, this quote popped into my head. i just thought it's fitting in this situation. that's all.

**InfiniteNothing** · 10-12-2005, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by cheapchinese

16 ?!?!?!
how much welfare can she technically collect?

Heh... that's a pretty decent tax credit

**tupacboy** · 10-12-2005, 03:48 PM

16!!! wow...

**cheapie** · 10-12-2005, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by esme

that's just 15 tooo many for me ......i'm good w/just 1 kid ......

naw...you need 2. that way they can play together and realize that they aren't the center of the universe.

note: the above statement does not mean you are a bad person if you are an only child or a parent w/just one kid. jmho fwiw

Originally Posted by cheapchinese

16 ?!?!?!
how much welfare can she technically collect?

since they just built a 7000 sq ft house i'm guessing they're not collecting any.

i was just with a vp of a major trucking company and he has ten. he's mormon and i think a lot of them has oodles of kids. but this guy is a millionaire and he can easily afford to feed/educate them.

**Jihforce** · 10-12-2005, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Grimm

If you want that many kids, adopt.
It's not socialy responsible to have that many kids, if everyone did it the entire world would be so over populated in a decade or two that the world could not support us.

If he can afford it, why not. As long as they stay out of the welfare system, its fine with me.

**InfiniteNothing** · 10-12-2005, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Jihforce

If he can afford it, why not. As long as they stay out of the welfare system, its fine with me.

Well, fixed resources. Person B having lots of kids takes away crude oil and corn from the rest of our kids.

Also, money doesn't justify it. That's like arguing just because someone can afford to hire a hitman, they should be entitled to it.

Originally Posted by cheapie

naw...you need 2. that way they can play together and realize that they aren't the center of the universe.

Deserves a quick

**MikeD** · 10-12-2005, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Grimm

If you want that many kids, adopt.
It's not socialy responsible to have that many kids, if everyone did it the entire world would be so over populated in a decade or two that the world could not support us.

Oh, the irony...

Umm, it's their right. I'd say they should be able to have as many as they want (provided they stay off welfare).

**InfiniteNothing** · 10-12-2005, 04:29 PM

Most would argue that ones rights end where another's begins.

Even if it was a right, it's a right that's impossible to defend forever.

**Airencracken** · 10-12-2005, 04:34 PM

We do live in a world of limited resources.

**captainhook** · 10-12-2005, 04:51 PM

I can't even imagine how I can take care of one child.

**MrGreg** · 10-12-2005, 05:10 PM

yeah, I can barely keep myself feed and bathed

**esme** · 10-12-2005, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by cheapie

naw...you need 2. that way they can play together and realize that they aren't the center of the universe.

Originally Posted by InfiniteNothing

Deserves a quick

OK ......you talked me into it! ......I'll have 2 kids

**InfiniteNothing** · 10-12-2005, 05:28 PM

How you doin'

[/joey]

**Mommypooh** · 10-12-2005, 05:37 PM

I would love to have that many children os course only if I had enough money to build a 7, 000 sq ft house. I think the tax breaks stop at 5 kids, after that you are on your own.

**Jihforce** · 10-12-2005, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by InfiniteNothing

Well, fixed resources. Person B having lots of kids takes away crude oil and corn from the rest of our kids.

Also, money doesn't justify it. That's like arguing just because someone can afford to hire a hitman, they should be entitled to it.

:

So? having you alive takes resources away from the rest of us as well. I don't see anyone trying to end you live.

Your analogy cracks me up tho.

how's hiring a hitman the same as having babies? Last time, i checked, having kids wasn't illegal.

**Airencracken** · 10-12-2005, 05:40 PM

Illegal? No. Excessive? Yes.

**InfiniteNothing** · 10-12-2005, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jihforce

So? having you alive takes resources away from the rest of us as well. I don't see anyone trying to end you live.

I'm not proposing killing anyone

Your analogy cracks me up tho.

how's hiring a hitman the same as having babies? Last time, i checked, having kids wasn't illegal.

I was invalidating that money makes it okay. No one's debating whether it's legal or not.

Originally Posted by Mommypooh

I would love to have that many children os course only if I had enough money to build a 7, 000 sq ft house. I think the tax breaks stop at 5 kids, after that you are on your own.

You have a source on that?

**Markel** · 10-12-2005, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Grimm

It's not socialy responsible to have that many kids, if everyone did it the entire world would be so over populated in a decade or two that the world could not support us.

Hey, what happened to the libertarian?

**ialsohaveadream** · 10-12-2005, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by esme

OK ......you talked me into it! ......I'll have 2 kids

Judging from the response you got in the pics thread, I'm sure you'll get offers from G|A members to help you with that.

**oblongmelon** · 10-12-2005, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by cheapchinese

16 ?!?!?!
how much welfare can she technically collect?

MEET THE DUGGARS!
http://www.duggarfamily.com/
They aren't on Welfare..lol..
I saw a show about this family and you'd be amazed at how well run that family actually is. The kids are polite-and all play instruments, and help out with chores and building the new house,they do laundry, bible study,(homeschooled)and all go out for dinner to celebrate special occasions (another baby!).. the mom is a penny pincher-and shops at the Aldi Store to save money-they have a pantry that is set up like a supermarket shelf unit (it's amazing what's in their pantry)..I think their food bill for one month was something like 800 dollars. The kids are clean, dressed well, and very modest, and they truly are the American family. I'm jealous to say the least..I think it's great they had another baby! oh, And the father does have a job.

**nickel** · 10-12-2005, 09:45 PM

there is a family around here with 15 kids...it's amazing.
no welfare there either.

**Apex** · 10-12-2005, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Markel

Link

Sounds like another great bunch of future conservatives!

Hmm, kids from 1 married couple, none on welfare. Kids help out, mother watches spending, father provides for family. I'd have to agree with you there.

**Grimm** · 10-13-2005, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Markel

Hey, what happened to the libertarian?

Hey, I wasn't advocating making it illegal, just saying that it is social irresponsible. Being Liberitarian doesn't mean that I believe everything is ok, just that things shouldn't be legislated. While it is legal to do something doesn't mean that you should do it.
People should be socialy responsible. They should choose to do the right thing, not be forced to do it. Having 16 kids isn't responsible unless you can point out some legitimate reason why your progeny are a significant benifit to society.
For example, if their kids are significantly more intellegent than the average, or some other benificial mutation.

6.5 billion is the world population. If 40 years from now the population is 52 billion because each couple had 16 children, 41 years from now the would population would be 0.