As you all know the big game is this Saturday Dec. 3 Who do you think will win? I say USC
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As you all know the big game is this Saturday Dec. 3 Who do you think will win? I say USC
USC has one helluva team again this year.
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I think it will be a good game. As long as SC doesn't play like they did against ND and Fresno, they should win with no problems.
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I'd like to see UCLA win, but think USC has too much offense.
A month ago I thought UT could run with SC, but am not so certain now. Should be a good national title game (thought the same thing last year, though).
What has changed your thinking that UT could run with SC? I have not been all that impressed with SC. No disrespect to anyone, but the PAC 10 has never been known as a conference that puts much emphasis on defense. They have a great offense but haven't played a team all season that has athletes on the defensive side that can match up with their offense. UT has those types of athletes on defense. I think USC against any of the top 5 would be a very good game because the other 4 teams in the top 4 have the type of speed on defense that USC has on offense.Originally Posted by MikeD
SC has had close games against ND, ASU and FSU. The common theme for all of their struggles are they were against teams that had potent offenses, something UCLA definitely has.
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Actually, UT is the one that had the ridiculously weak conference schedule this year. They had one semi-tough game against OSU, but this wasn't a particularly strong year for Ohio State. Texas beating Oklahoma would be impressive....unless you consider the fact that everyone else has this year.
I think the most amazing thing about this season is that Penn State got to #3. I watched them in the Michigan game, and I wasn't that impressed. Va Tech would kill them head-to-head, and Va Tech lost to a better team, but somehow Penn State is #3.
This could lower their point total a bit.
Top-ranked USC may have only one half of its vaunted Thunder and Lightning backfield when it takes on No. 11 UCLA in its regular-season finale with a trip to the national championship game on the line for the Trojans.
Junior tailback LenDale White suffered an apparent shoulder injury during a Sunday practice, putting his status for Saturday's showdown with the Bruins in doubt.
According to a report in the Los Angeles Times, White was hit in the left shoulder while carrying the ball during a team drill early in practice. White then lay face down in pain for several minutes before needing assistance to walk to the trainer's area. Later, White was carted to the locker room.
"He has an old shoulder injury from way back," USC head coach Pete Carroll said. "They just want to make sure they know what's going on."
"They said it was a stinger, maybe a sprained shoulder," White said. "Other than that, it's not bad.
"They said to wait until (Monday) and if it hurts, I've got to get it checked out."
If White, who has rushed for 1,024 yards and a team-high 19 touchdowns, is unable to go, Reggie Bush will have to carry even more of the load. The Trojans already lost backup tailback Desmond Reed for the season with an injury and freshman Michael Coleman is out with a chronic hip injury.
Bush showed in the Trojans' last game that he's more than capable of carrying the team. Against Fresno State on Nov. 19, Bush carried the ball 23 times for 294 yards and two touchdowns and finished with a record-setting 513 yards of total offense.
"Obviously, it would just mean I would have to carry more of the load with the running game," Bush said. "But hopefully, everything will be all right with him and that won't be the case."
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Oklahoma wasn't really half bad for a team with a True Freshman Quarterback.. and they only lost to Ranked teams. If they can build up Rhett and get a bit better defense they would be good.Actually, UT is the one that had the ridiculously weak conference schedule this year. They had one semi-tough game against OSU, but this wasn't a particularly strong year for Ohio State. Texas beating Oklahoma would be impressive....unless you consider the fact that everyone else has this year.
I think the most amazing thing about this season is that Penn State got to #3. I watched them in the Michigan game, and I wasn't that impressed. Va Tech would kill them head-to-head, and Va Tech lost to a better team, but somehow Penn State is #3.
I think there are a few decent teams that Texas played, but they definately had an easier season then they could have. But I'm still planning on going for Texas against USC.
Actually, UT is the one that had the ridiculously weak conference schedule this year. They had one semi-tough game against OSU, but this wasn't a particularly strong year for Ohio State. Texas beating Oklahoma would be impressive....unless you consider the fact that everyone else has this year., though I think a bit higher of Ohio State than IAHAD does.
I've seen both UT and USC play. While I do think USC's D is soft, I can see Carroll and company finding a way to at least partially neutralize Young given 3-4 weeks planning (see White, Peterson @ Oklahoma). Also, no one on the field can run with Reggie Bush for 4 quarters. He's the game breaker, the difference maker. If SC wins, it will be because of him.
VTGreg, did you see USC play VaTech last year at FedEx? Seeing Bush in person...that speed is phenomal. Tech has some horses who can run, but we looked stuck in place on his two TD's that night.
I hope Texas wins. I'm tired of SC. I also hope that VT gets Notre Dame. I've been wanting them for years now (though PSU wouldn't be a bad consolation prize).
Yeah, I think Bush kills against Texas. It'll be tougher for him with White out, but he'll probably wind up with 200+ yards and a couple TDs.
I am more worried about Ucla than about Texas. I was hoping Ucla would be undefeated going into this game. Now they have nothing to lose and with the rivalry and White being questionable... It will most likely be a shootout and I will most likely be nervous til it ends.
The Pac 10/SC has given top tier preseason schools a chance and none have come as close as Ucla, ND, and Cal has to beating SC over the last few years. Bowl games have all been blowouts. I think the days of Pac 10 being soft is about 4 years over. Oregon would also be in the Nat'l Hunt if they didnt play SC (#1) and Ucla only had one really bad game so far (lots of close ones/weak schedule).
The standings seem right for the most part. 33 wins = 1st place until someone knocks off SC. Texas is undefeated and has to be ranked 2nd for now. Who should currently be in 3rd? VT got humbled by Miami and Penn State lost a close one with Michigan State. If VT had won, it would be impossible to pick the 2nd/3rd place team imo, but either way, SC would still be #1. Also, LSU lost one close game to a then highly ranked Tennessee team. Maybe they should be in 3rd.
Interesting aritcle about USC and statistics.
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Bush was kept in check until Adibi went out of the game. Adibi had the speed to stay with Bush and as a result VT stayed in the game. On his 2nd TD, Bush got matched up with Blake Warren and it was no contest.
I've seen both UT and USC play. While I do think USC's D is soft, I can see Carroll and company finding a way to at least partially neutralize Young given 3-4 weeks planning (see White, Peterson @ Oklahoma). Also, no one on the field can run with Reggie Bush for 4 quarters. He's the game breaker, the difference maker. If SC wins, it will be because of him.
VTGreg, did you see USC play VaTech last year at FedEx? Seeing Bush in person...that speed is phenomal. Tech has some horses who can run, but we looked stuck in place on his two TD's that night.
I hope Texas wins. I'm tired of SC. I also hope that VT gets Notre Dame. I've been wanting them for years now (though PSU wouldn't be a bad consolation prize).
UT has much more speed on D than anyone that SC has played all season. I don't think that UT is better than SC, I just don't believe that SC is untouchable considering they have looked very beatable at times this year.
I do agree that SC should be #1 until they are beaten and the voters will make sure that happens.
As far as Showtime's comments about Oregon being a possible NC contender if they hadn't played SC, Oregon is a very good team, but they have one quality win and that was at home against Fresno St. There is a reason why they are behind a bunch of 2 loss teams in the BCS. UCLA struggled against bad Pac 10 teams and it finally burned them. There is a difference between playing a bad game and losing to a 2-7 team 52-14. With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if they push SC this weekend.
I also agree that OSU is a bit better than IAHAD stated. 2 losses by a combined 10 points to teams that are both in top 5.
I really wish VT would have beaten Miami so we could have seen how close things got between #2 and #3 in the BCS, but they got whipped because they weren't prepared mentally. After seeing their performance in that game, I don't doubt that they would have lost somewhere else on the schedule if they had beaten Miami.
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Agreed on SC in 1st...hard to argue with it. And even though I don't think Texas is the 2nd best team in the country, they can be ranked there since they haven't lost yet. Even though I'm a Canes fan, I'd have to say VT is probably #3, because they could easily beat PSU or LSU (of course, I think they'd beat Texas, too).
Well, I may not be the most unbiased judge, because I have a bitter hatred of Ohio State ever since that Game That Never Happened a few years ago. Still, I watched Ohio State in both those games, and they have a nice defense, but their offense didn't impress me.
So did the entire team make it to the locker room before the ref threw the flag? Or just the bench guys? I mean, Coker was nearly done with his postgame press conference before that little yellow hanky hit the turf.
I'll never show any love for the 'Canes, but that was one of the biggest rob-jobs I've ever seen.
Looks like thread hijacking!This is "USC vs UCLA", not college football in general.
Back to the thread: I personally hope that UCLA can step up and win, but am prepared for the worst.
There's an extremely painful photo that you can probably find online somewhere of the Canes storming the field to celebrate. I remember jumping out of my chair, grabbing my fiance and throwing her over my shoulder...and then her saying "What's the flag for?" Ouch. I'm gonna go drink away my pain now.
Yeah yeah....USC. There.
My heart is with the Bruins!!!
I will be there live and in person!
Depends what teams show up to play for the entire game...
My guess: USC and UCLA.
I don't want to jinx them but I still vote for UCLA. An USC loss will throw the BCS into a chaos again.
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I agree that their offense isn't anything to write home about. They are very similar to Penn St., exceptional defense, adequate offense.
I still remember watching that game and beginning to celebrate, only to realize about 5 min later that they had thrown a flag. OSU had to have been the most fortunate national champ in a long time. They barely escaped and had many bounces go their way that year.
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Even if they loose to UCLA, will they still drop to #3?? I doubt it. This UT/USC matchup has been builtup all season.I don't want to jinx them but I still vote for UCLA. An USC loss will throw the BCS into a chaos again.
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It would be close with PSU. It would all depend on what the pollsters did to USC, which would depend on how badly they lost. The computers don't rate UCLA very highly so it would definitely hurt their computer ranking.
I don't understand how the BCS would be thrown into chaos if USC lost. The only way that the BCS doesn't work is the situation that occured last year where there are 3 undefeated teams from major conferences. Any other situation and the BCS works. You may not agree with the one loss team that it selects but the bottom line is that whichever one loss team is selected is debateable and someone will be unhappy with the team that is selected.
I think the biggest problem the BCS has is the polls. Everyone puts way too much credence in the polls when they are inherently biased and create a conflict of interest. In addition, the rankings largely depend on preseason rankings and when a team loses instead of who, where and how a team plays/loses. Look at last year where UT pulled ahead of Cal in the final BCS poll to receive the automatic at-large. The change was due to a few writers in Texas that had votes in the AP changing their votes.
Everyone cries bloody murder when the computer polls don't line up with human polls but that is what makes the BCS a good system. It doesn't completely depend on polls which are very emotional. How can a 2 loss ND team that lost to Michigan St be ranked higher than Oregon? It just drives me insane when people say the BCS has failed in 4 out of the 7 years it has been in place and that the BCS gets lucky when there aren't 3 undefeated teams in a given season. In fact, the BCS just got unlucky last year when you consider the probability that 3 teams from major conferences would go undefeated in a given year. I'll get off my soap-box now.
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I voted for UCLA even though I think $C will win
I'm pulling for UCLA, but USC will win. I want to see the BCS system come crashing down...and I wouldn't mind seeing Penn State be the beneficiary of this. Go Big TEN!!
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How exactly will the BCS come crashing down if UCLA wins?
It only ends once... Anything that happens before that is just progress.
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USC and UT are virtual locks for the Championship game, unless one of them stumbles big time this week. Don't count on it.
I'm not a huge BCS hater, but an 8 team playoff is a better scenario. The example of Auburn last year is a good case study on why we need such a setup...
Bunch of 1-loss teams and which team is going to play in the Rose Bowl?
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How again will this result in the BCS coming crashing down? This is the exact type of scenario that the BCS is meant to handle.
I understand the 8 team playoff arguments but you still have the problem deciding which 8 get included. If the current top 8 were taken from the BCS then a 2 loss Auburn that is playing about as well as anyone in the nation gets left out and a 1 loss WVU that only lost to VT gets left out. Not to mention the logistics of having an 8 team playoff. It is a bit silly to change things for the situation that occurred last year (3 major unbeatens) when that has happened once in the last 15+ years.
It only ends once... Anything that happens before that is just progress.
Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear.
The NCAA already has a solution for that problem: a selection committee, which is exactly what they do for the basketball tourney.
Selection committees don't blindly follow polls. The logistics aren't that hard to manage: cap every team's regular season at 10 games. If that means ending conference championship games, so what? There's four major bowls- each year one gets screwed and has to host one of the first-round games (along with 3 mid-major bowl sites).
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