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    Industry Fiercely Opposes Unbundled TV

    Industry Fiercely Opposes Unbundled TV
    By SETH SUTEL (AP Business Writer)
    From Associated Press
    February 24, 2006 2:39 PM EST
    NEW YORK - It's a question that many cable TV subscribers ask: My cable company keeps adding more channels to my system, but I don't watch many of them. Why can't I just pick the ones I want?

    Rupert Murdoch, a titan of TV, has a simple answer: "I think it kills the whole business model."

    Murdoch echoed the views of many in the cable business when he told reporters recently that "a la carte" pricing wouldn't work for the industry and would lead to higher cable bills for consumers. Murdoch's News Corp. owns Fox News Channel, FX and other cable channels and controls the satellite TV broadcaster DirecTV Group Inc.

    The industry's argument goes like this: If consumers are free to drop less-viewed channels, many of them would go out of business, and others would have to sharply raise their per-customer rates to stay afloat. "Bundling" them together helps spread costs around and supports a variety of programming.

    However, pressure is building on the industry to change.

    In early February, the Federal Communications Commission released a report challenging the industry's long-held position that a la carte would be undesirable for consumers.

    A wave of technology breakthroughs including digital video recorders, video iPods, video "on demand" from cable and satellite providers and the increasing availability of video over the Internet have gotten people accustomed to picking and choosing what they watch, when and even where they watch it.

    Those changes are "making the point that a la carte is not only possible, but desirable," said Gene Kimmelman, senior director of public policy at Consumers Union and a big supporter of a la carte pricing.

    Those concerned about sexual and violent programming on television also favor a la carte TV pricing, calling it a good way to give parents greater control.

    Consumers, not surprisingly, would love the chance to pick and choose their channels.

    A recent AP-Ipsos poll taken in mid-December found that 78 percent of American adults prefer the a la carte option. Two-thirds of those surveyed said there was too much sex on television, and about the same number said there was too much violence.

    FCC Chairman Kevin Martin, a Republican party loyalist and a longtime advocate of curbing sexual and violent programming, put the cable industry on notice last fall about raunchy programming, saying that one option to address parental concerns was to sell cable channels a la carte. Soon thereafter, several big cable companies said they would offer new "tiers" of family-friendly programming.

    Many analysts believe the FCC likely won't force the industry to adopt a complete a la carte pricing model, but the agency's reversal of its previous opposition to the idea could embolden others to challenge the status quo.

    All this comes just as cable companies are seeing an emerging threat from the likes of AT&T Inc. and Verizon Communications Inc., which are beginning to offer cable-like video services, carried mainly over ultra-highspeed fiber optic cables.

    For now, those offerings tend to resemble the bundled packages available from cable companies. But with the FCC clearly favoring competition among TV providers, the phone companies are signaling that they would like to offer more flexibility to their video customers - providing they can.

    "Our perspective is that competition should be allowed to flourish in a free market, and the issue of programming will take care of itself," Verizon spokesman Mark Marchand said. "In a competitive market, providers are going to listen to consumer wants and provide for them."

    In a statement, AT&T said it would "be happy to offer a la carte programming as long as we are able to obtain access to the programming in that manner."

    But cable networks have been reluctant to let television services sell channels individually.

    Network executives say that too much choice could drive some niche channels out of business. If fewer people sign up for, say, Black Entertainment Television or the History Channel, they might have to raise their rates for each customer to stay in business.

    "The way the cable industry works now, we bundle in strength with weakness," said Dick Parsons, chief executive of Time Warner Inc., which owns a major cable company along with several cable networks including CNN, Cartoon Network and TBS. "If we actually went to an a la carte world, you would see people's choices constrict and collapse rather than expand."

    Cable networks prefer the "bundled" system because they can charge more for advertising if they're distributed to as many homes as possible. Plus, cable companies pay them a monthly fee for each home they're in.

    With a packaged approach, large media companies that own must-have cable channels like Walt Disney Co.'s ESPN or Viacom Inc.'s MTV can use their muscle to get attractive carriage deals for their smaller cable networks, like Disney's ABC Family channel or Viacom's new gay and lesbian network, Logo.

    It's also far simpler for cable companies to offer one standard package. Think of the administrative costs Comcast Corp. faces if it must create custom cable packages for each of its 21 million customers, then get all the monthly bills right.

    But Kimmelman, of Consumers Union, says such arguments mask industry intransigence.

    He believes government intervention will ultimately have to regulate how networks make contracts with cable operators, as neither the programmers or cable companies have any incentive to rock the boat.

    "No current programmer ... would dare say anything positive about a la carte for fear that they would be dropped" from cable or satellite systems, Kimmelman said.

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    AP Business Writer Gary Gentile in Los Angeles and AP Writer Jennifer Kerr in Washington contributed to this report.

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    i so want ala carte. i watch like 4 of the 300 or so chanels that i have.
    yeah, pretty much we missed the boat on that one. but it's still here. get you some.

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    I like a la carte too but I think I can understand how some channels might suffer. Hmm...like the weather channel or UPN.

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    Yeah, some channels would suffer, and some would go away. Why is that a bad thing? If a company makes a product nobody wants to pay for, that product should go away through natural market forces. It should not stick around because it is only sold in a bundle with another product you really want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcs328
    I like a la carte too but I think I can understand how some channels might suffer. Hmm...like the weather channel or UPN.
    UPN isn't a "cable channel"... so I don't think it would apply to them.

    However there are so many channels that I never watch, that it would be nice to get rid of them.


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    I think that different size packages would help. I have Time Warner and they have one as small as the local channels plus WGN, TBS, the Weather Channel for about $14 a month. This is good for those who do not want all the extra channels like people with bad reception. I don't watch much TV and figure I can rent a lot of movies for the cost of the next package. Some companies do not have this small of one. Then I can justify my cable internet more easily since I get it with my cable for the price of the next size cable package without internet.
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    What's going to happen when a whole bunch of channels go away....the payments to the cable company to crry the channel will also go away. So, the cable companies will have less income...so they will raise the rates on the ala carte packages/channels. In the end, after it all shakes out, you'll end up paying the same as now, but for fewer channels.

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    I want TV with no advertising.

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    I think it will raise the quality of some networks by a lot. I feel like a bunch of them exist with no real reason but to put on crappy reruns from the 80s.

    If they do want to keep those networks, they will drop the price on the channels in hopes of getting more people to subscribe to those networks to satisfy advertisers.

    Btw I was at a marketing conference where a CBS exec talked about the impact of PVRs and Tivo on the TV market. While many people foresaw the demise of the traditional broadcast model, CBS's research found it significantly increased the viewership of TV shows. He also said that any loss in skipped ads can be made up by selling tv shows on such mediums like iTunes or View on Demand services. I bring this up because I think the networks are embracing change, they just want it to come slowly so these old farts can adapt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC
    I want TV with no advertising.
    I've got it.
    It's called Tivo.
    Check it out.
    It changes everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC
    I want TV with no advertising.
    Honestly, if they did that, then their might be a cost to us for "normal TV" and cable rates would in fact go up.

    I'd rather keep commercials if they keep the TV free... I just wish they'd make commercials more interesting


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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkFury
    Honestly, if they did that, then their might be a cost to us for "normal TV" and cable rates would in fact go up.

    I'd rather keep commercials if they keep the TV free... I just wish they'd make commercials more interesting
    I know, but I'd be perfectly willing to pay a bit extra each month to get my cable (which I gave up a few years ago precisely because of all the annoying advertising) with no commercials. I mean, I do it right now with Netflix, but this of course means I'm not current on any shows. I'd like to be able to do it during the TV season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC
    I know, but I'd be perfectly willing to pay a bit extra each month to get my cable (which I gave up a few years ago precisely because of all the annoying advertising) with no commercials. I mean, I do it right now with Netflix, but this of course means I'm not current on any shows. I'd like to be able to do it during the TV season.
    what's wrong with tivo?
    yeah, pretty much we missed the boat on that one. but it's still here. get you some.

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    a la cart sounds like a good thing but I'd be willing to bet that in the end you won't see any sort of meaningful change in your monthly bill. You see they know you're willing to pay $50 or $75 or whatever per month for TV so they will adjust the pricing to get that from you no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsme
    What's going to happen when a whole bunch of channels go away....the payments to the cable company to crry the channel will also go away. So, the cable companies will have less income...so they will raise the rates on the ala carte packages/channels. In the end, after it all shakes out, you'll end up paying the same as now, but for fewer channels.


    EXACTLY! You pay $50/mo or whatever for 200 channels now. In the a la carte model, you'll be able to pick your 30 favorite channels for... $50/mo!

    I think people like to think, hey, $50/mo divided by 200 channels is $.25 per channel per month! Cut it back to 30 channels, and that's only $7.50 a month!

    It ain't gonna work that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC
    I want TV with no advertising.

    What I don't get is - if you're paying for tv (either cable or satellite) - then why are there ads? I can understand ads on free/ota tv. But if I'm paying for tv, why should I see those same ads? It makes no sense to me. Granted, I know the answer...it's because they're all a bunch of greedy a-holes...but, still...'the shoe doesn't fit'. How come other sources of media/information (satellite radio, pay internet radio like Launchcast Plus, etc.) have pay services without ad interruption?

    Greed.

    As for the industry opposing unbundled tv...
    umm...


    It's a question that many cable TV subscribers ask: My cable company keeps adding more channels to my system, but I don't watch many of them. Why can't I just pick the ones I want?

    Rupert Murdoch, a titan of TV, has a simple answer: "I think it kills my massive profits and would cause me to have to sell off some of my cars and my summer home."
    (Fixed that for you, Rupert.)

    I think it's long overdue that people had choices though. I know that we pay $74/mo for Dish with Top 180 + HBO + Cinemax bundle, and I think out of all those hundreds of channels...we maybe watch 30 over a month's time. But then again, mr. greed rears its ugly head, and the 'tv people' will come up with every excuse in the book as to why we shouldn't be able to pay for what we want and nothing else. At least satellite tv costs are (in some instances) considerably cheaper than those of cable...at this point in the game, I'd never consider cable ever again; the rates (and frequency of rate hikes) are absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zero2dash

    What I don't get is - if you're paying for tv (either cable or satellite) - then why are there ads? I can understand ads on free/ota tv. But if I'm paying for tv, why should I see those same ads? It makes no sense to me.
    Because the ads help subsidize the cost. No ads and the channels would cost much more.
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    is the problem that you have to scroll through too many channels or you don't want to pay for ones you don't watch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin
    Because the ads help subsidize the cost. No ads and the channels would cost much more.
    That's what you'd think (and what they'd tell you), but I call BS on that...millions of pay subscribers + whatever revenue they make per channel by the satellite/cable provider...you do the math. They're not in jeopardy of closing down studios. In fact, quite a few providers like Viacom and (most recently) the Lifetime Network, have threatened to cancel offering their channels to Dish unless they (Dish) paid up...which Dish has done. So again - we're not talking about Rupert Murdoch going broke here.

    Quote Originally Posted by cheapie
    is the problem that you have to scroll through too many channels or you don't want to pay for ones you don't watch?
    Not necessarily that it's a problem, but my point (and I think the point of the idea) is not wanting to pay for channels that you don't watch. It's easy enough (with any program guide) to make a "favorites" list and only display that list...I don't think scrolling through channels is the 'complaint' behind this. The point is - there should be a choice. They're happy to oblige with choices on movie channels - so why should the basics be any different?

    I will say that I've seen a few commercials now about a 40 channel Dish package for like $20 a month or something...which is another choice in addition to their other packages (Top 90, Top 120, Top 180). So - Dish (at least) is starting to be a little more receptive to "choices"...I don't know if DirecTV is offering something similar. As for cable...I doubt it. IME cable companies are some of the worst crooks on the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zero2dash
    I think it's long overdue that people had choices though.
    We do have choices. You have the choice to not have cable (or dish).

    I haven't had cable in six years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcs328
    I like a la carte too but I think I can understand how some channels might suffer. Hmm...like the weather channel or UPN.
    I don't think the weather channel is going anywhere. Everyone watches it for weather updates. But UPN is soon to be dead, isn't it?

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    I disagree with the above.

    I think you are confusing channels with cable companies. Cable companies provide the means by which channels distribute their programs. The channels are the ones who raise money to pay for the program production costs, through ad revenue. The cable companies charge them and us, for the distribution of those programs through their networks.

    With cable you are often subjected, still, to less commercials than OTA.

    OTA is different in that the frequencies are limited and are public domain, thus free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guiseppewv
    I don't think the weather channel is going anywhere. Everyone watches it for weather updates. But UPN is soon to be dead, isn't it?

    i never watch the wather channel, and i get pissed when i have to wait on someone to check the weather on it.

    http://www.weather.com/weather/local...ocalUndeclared
    yeah, pretty much we missed the boat on that one. but it's still here. get you some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paymaster
    We do have choices. You have the choice to not have cable (or dish).

    I haven't had cable in six years.
    True but it'd be nice to also not have to pay for the channels that I don't watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueindian
    what's wrong with tivo?
    I also want to pay for only the channels I want.

    Quote Originally Posted by zero2dash
    True but it'd be nice to also not have to pay for the channels that I don't watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueindian
    i never watch the wather channel, and i get pissed when i have to wait on someone to check the weather on it.

    http://www.weather.com/weather/local...ocalUndeclared
    I agree. I check online. I watch it during storms, though. Everyone I know (older peeps) that do not use the web watch the weather channel religiously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGreg
    Yeah, some channels would suffer, and some would go away. Why is that a bad thing? If a company makes a product nobody wants to pay for, that product should go away through natural market forces. It should not stick around because it is only sold in a bundle with another product you really want.
    What will end up happening is the lesser watched, more unique channels and shows will go bye bye as everyone scrambles to be like MTV, CNN and ESPN since that's where the only money will be. You'll end up having less choice, I feel.
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