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    Moussaoui asks to withdraw guilty plea

    Moussaoui asks to withdraw guilty plea
    Mon May 8, 2006 4:23pm ET

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Zacarias Moussaoui, who was sentenced last week to life in prison, on Monday filed a motion to withdraw his guilty plea and said he lied when he testified that he was meant to be part of the September 11 hijacking plot.

    Moussaoui, 37, said in an affidavit filed with the motion that he had pleaded guilty last year to conspiracy in connection with the attacks against the advice of his court-appointed lawyers because his understanding of the U.S. legal system was "completely flawed."

    Moussaoui's court-appointed lawyers -- who rarely speak to their client -- said in a footnote that they were aware of a federal rule that prohibits a defendant from withdrawing a guilty plea after a sentence is imposed. But they said they filed the motion anyway "given their problematic relationship with Moussaoui."

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    rofl, the guy is making a mockery of our legal system, and we are letting him do it.

    It was obvious he was a loon, everybody in A-Q said so, and everybody agreed that he wasn't competant enough to be involved in 9/11, even the dang mastermind! The whole richard reid thing was obvious.

    However, prosecutors seized on opportunity to 9/11-ize the case, they gobbled it up like kids in a candy store, despite it being an obvious lie.

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    Oh well too bad for him he will spend life in prison for his "mistakes with our legal system"


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    what a joke. i will be glad when he is out of the news.

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    boohoo, i'm going to have to spend the rest of my life in possibly the worst place in america... still better than lots of other prisons out there... 75,000 to keep that guy there /year i think it's worth it.
    LK was treated unfairly

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    did anyone in the world believe he was guilty of what he claimed to have done?

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    After I beat that bitch from Dr. Phil to an inch of her life..please let me take a swing or two at this turkey..man he just needs to be slapped.

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    methinks you posted this in the wrong thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheapie
    methinks you posted this in the wrong thread.
    newp..it's the right thread

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    lol. i thought you were talking about the husband on dr. phil.

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    Too late! He shouldn't have mocked everything in the courtroom. He should have plead innocent in the first place, if that's what he wants now. Too late!

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    Moussaoui's Request for New Trial Denied
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    ALEXANDRIA, Va. - Stunned that he was sentenced to life in prison rather than execution, Zacarias Moussaoui now believes he could get a fair trial from an American jury. Too late, the judge says.

    U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema quickly rejected a motion the confessed al-Qaida conspirator filed Monday to withdraw his guilty plea and get a new trial.

    In his motion, Moussaoui said he lied on the witness stand March 27 when he reversed four years of denials and claimed he was to have hijacked a fifth jetliner on Sept. 11, 2001, and crashed it into the White House, "even though I knew that was a complete fabrication."

    The 37-year-old Frenchman blamed his behavior on the effects of solitary confinement, his inability to get a Muslim lawyer and his misunderstanding of the U.S. justice system.

    Moussaoui said he was "extremely surprised" by his life sentence by a federal court jury last week.

    "I had thought I would be sentenced to death based on the emotions and anger toward me for the deaths on Sept. 11," he explained in an affidavit. "But after reviewing the jury verdict and reading how the jurors set aside their emotions and disgust for me and focused on the law and the evidence ... I now see that it is possible that I can receive a fair trial even with Americans as jurors."

    After seven days of deliberation, the jury of nine men and three women on Wednesday rebuffed the government's appeal for the death penalty for Moussaoui, the only person charged in this country in the 9/11 suicide hijackings of four commercial jetliners that killed nearly 3,000 people.

    On Thursday, U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema gave Moussaoui six life sentences, to run as two consecutive life terms in the federal supermax prison at Florence, Colo.

    At sentencing, Brinkema told him he could not appeal the conviction he got when he pleaded guilty in April 2005. "You waived that right," she said. She said Moussaoui could appeal the life term but "I believe it would be an act of futility."

    On Monday, Brinkema said federal rules prohibit withdrawing a guilty plea after sentencing so his request must be rejected.

    In filing Moussaoui's motion, his court-appointed lawyers told the court they knew that rule would doom the effort but filed it anyway because of their "problematic relationship with Moussaoui" and because new lawyers have yet to be appointed to replace them.

    Brinkema had told the defense team, with whom Moussaoui never cooperated, that they finally could leave the case after filing any motions Moussaoui wanted.

    Explaining his twists and turns, Moussaoui wrote in the affidavit, "Solitary confinement made me hostile toward everyone, and I began taking extreme positions to fight the system."

    Moussaoui said that, coupled with his inability to get a Muslim lawyer, led him to distrust his lawyers when they told him he could be convicted of being an al-Qaida member but acquitted of involvement in 9/11.

    The motion said Moussaoui told his lawyers he wanted to withdraw his guilty plea because when he entered it his "understanding of the American legal system was completely flawed."

    Moussaoui wrote that he pleaded guilty because he mistakenly thought the Supreme Court would immediately review his objection to being denied the opportunity to call captured enemy combatant witnesses to buttress his claim of not being involved in the 9/11 plot.

    An appeals court agreed with the government that national security would be at risk if captured operatives like 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed testified or were even questioned by Moussaoui's lawyers. Instead, statements taken from their interrogations were read to the jury.

    Mohammed's statements said Moussaoui was never considered for the 9/11 plot, only a later attack.

    Moussaoui's shocking testimony that he was to crash a 747 jetliner into the White House on 9/11 revived the government's flagging case in the first part of the sentencing trial. Previously, he had claimed he had nothing to do with 9/11, but rather was to fly the 747 into the White House later if the United States refused to release a radical Egyptian sheik serving life for terrorist acts.

    On April 3, the jury found Moussaoui eligible for the death penalty. It apparently accepted prosecutors' arguments that by withholding information from federal agents who arrested him on Aug. 16, 2001, he bore responsibility for at least one death on 9/11 by preventing the agents from identifying and stopping some hijackers.

    Nevertheless, the same jury was unable to unanimously find that Moussaoui, who was in jail on 9/11, deserved execution. Three jurors wrote on the verdict form that they doubted he knew much about the 9/11 plot.

    Moussaoui's lawyers made clear to the jury they thought he was lying to achieve martyrdom through execution. Prosecutors even stipulated the government doubted his claim that shoe-bomber Richard Reid was to be part of his hijack team on 9/11.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060509/...e_us/moussaoui

    well now... doesn't his life suck? he thought he knew our judicial system so well and a death sentence was in the bag. whoops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clutchy
    boohoo, i'm going to have to spend the rest of my life in possibly the worst place in america... still better than lots of other prisons out there... 75,000 to keep that guy there /year i think it's worth it.
    While I agree that of all the current options this is the best, I would much rather see him spend the rest of his life performing hard labor. I think it is a crock that these guys waste away in prisons while tax payers fork out hard earned money to sustain them. They should be required to pay their own way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTGreg
    While I agree that of all the current options this is the best, I would much rather see him spend the rest of his life performing hard labor. I think it is a crock that these guys waste away in prisons while tax payers fork out hard earned money to sustain them. They should be required to pay their own way.

    I'm all for chain gangs, but alot of people think they're cruel and unusual or some other nonsense.

    honestly i think hard labor is the best punishment too.
    LK was treated unfairly

    thanks X

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    Quote Originally Posted by clutchy
    I'm all for chain gangs, but alot of people think they're cruel and unusual or some other nonsense.

    honestly i think hard labor is the best punishment too.
    Labor sounds good to me. Giving back to society in some way. In NOLA, for instance, after Mardi Gras parades, a bunch of guys in orange suits supervised by armed cops pick up the plethora of trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTGreg
    While I agree that of all the current options this is the best, I would much rather see him spend the rest of his life performing hard labor. I think it is a crock that these guys waste away in prisons while tax payers fork out hard earned money to sustain them. They should be required to pay their own way.



    If people had to bust their ass (no pun intended ) in jail then they would be less likely to do the crime. Instead we molly-coddle them by giving them TV, workout areas, decent food, etc...

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    I'm all for prisoners having to help earn their keep. If they refuse to work, they should forfeit all privileges and be given only the blandest of (nutritionally adequate) food. If they want more, they should have to earn it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Houdini
    Labor sounds good to me. Giving back to society in some way. In NOLA, for instance, after Mardi Gras parades, a bunch of guys in orange suits supervised by armed cops pick up the plethora of trash.

    that's great, not only are they giving back, but what they're missing is being thrown in their face...
    LK was treated unfairly

    thanks X

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    Quote Originally Posted by guiseppewv


    If people had to bust their ass (no pun intended ) in jail then they would be less likely to do the crime. Instead we molly-coddle them by giving them TV, workout areas, decent food, etc...
    molly-coddle? Tell me what life was like back in the days of WWII again, grandpa!

    And I've covered this before, but giving the inmates entertainment and exercise is more for the benefit of the guards than the prisoners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ialsohaveadream
    molly-coddle? Tell me what life was like back in the days of WWII again, grandpa!

    And I've covered this before, but giving the inmates entertainment and exercise is more for the benefit of the guards than the prisoners.

    Back in my day......

    I just think making prison as bland as possible would make more people think before they commit a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guiseppewv
    I just think making prison as bland as possible would make more people think before they commit a crime.
    They do think. They think about the getaway car, the exact phrasing of the "Put the money in the bag" note, what shade of ski mask best matches their skin tone, etc.

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