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    legislation to ban got/apex from schools and libraries

    "To ammend the Communications Act of 1934 to require recipients of universal support for schools and libraries to protect minors from commercial social networking website and chat rooms."

    here is the proposed bill, which would restrict access to sites that let users create public "web pages or profiles and also offer a discussion board, chat room, or e-mail service."


    i've also just recently read an article stating that it is legal to fire someone for surfing the web just the same as if they could be dismissed for reading the newspaper or talking on the phone socially on the job.

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    Now, now this is technically a political thread.

    But seriously, what an overreaching bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airencracken
    Now, now this is technically a political thread.

    But seriously, what an overreaching bill.
    yeh, i half expect someone to nuke it, but it's an interesting topic and it doesn't have to turn "political" per say. i'd just like comments on how someone feels this is justified or overboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickel
    yeh, i half expect someone to nuke it, but it's an interesting topic and it doesn't have to turn "political" per say. i'd just like comments on how someone feels this is justified or overboard.
    How could it be justified, do only children use library internet access? Aren't there several legitimate uses of forums and the like? Blanket legislation like this is almost always uncalled for.
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    It seems to me that this legislation is aimed more specifically at myspace, xanga, etc., (i.e., the social networking) type of sites, and not at all online forums in general. Of course, if somethings isn't worded or interpreted in a specific way, things can get messy.
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    Technically it's not "political" unless someone has a different view on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markel
    Of course, if somethings isn't worded or interpreted in a specific way, things can get messy.
    Bingo. That's the problem.
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    I think that the bill may be too restrictive, but schools themselves need to start blocking out websites that aren't helping to foster students' education. Xanga, Myspace and the majority of online forums contribute nothing to a student's education and should be banned from viewing on school property. But that legislation shouldn't need to be passed at a government level, it should be passed on a school level. When I send my children to school I don't expect them to be surfing G|A or blogging on social networking websites all day. I would expect them to be using the internet to learn (ie: research).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray
    But that legislation shouldn't need to be passed at a government level, it should be passed on a school level. When I send my children to school I don't expect them to be surfing G|A or blogging on social networking websites all day. I would expect them to be using the internet to learn (ie: research).


    I'd expect teachers, administrators, etc to have an ounce of common sense and then apply it.

    Seems to me that if a kid is online to do research, that that research could very easily lead to a forum or two and if there is a wide spread ban on forums then the bill would be doing the children a disservice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickel
    i've also just recently read an article stating that it is legal to fire someone for surfing the web just the same as if they could be dismissed for reading the newspaper or talking on the phone socially on the job.
    Are you talking about the New York case? If so, I think you got that backwards. The judge ruled he CAN'T be fired for surfing the web.

    http://news.com.com/Judge+Worker+can...3-6064520.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ialsohaveadream
    Are you talking about the New York case? If so, I think you got that backwards. The judge ruled he CAN'T be fired for surfing the web.

    http://news.com.com/Judge+Worker+can...3-6064520.html
    Those stories were based on an incorrect AP report:
    http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/2485
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markel
    Those stories were based on an incorrect AP report:
    http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/2485
    I stand corrected. Thanks!

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    not for nothing, but am I the only one who doesn't prowl myspace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ialsohaveadream
    I stand corrected. Thanks!
    We're off to a good start. Now there's some other erronious (or biased) news media reports that need correcting. Pay close attention and learn....
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    Quote Originally Posted by thresher
    not for nothing, but am I the only one who doesn't prowl myspace?
    no, you aren't the only one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markel
    We're off to a good start. Now there's some other erronious (or biased) news media reports that need correcting. Pay close attention and learn....
    If you've read Blink, you'd know that Peter Jennings has been accused of having a major bias...but not the one you'd think.

    Quote Originally Posted by nickel
    no, you aren't the only one.
    I avoid that site like the plague.
    Last edited by ialsohaveadream; 05-12-2006 at 02:08 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Quote Originally Posted by thresher
    not for nothing, but am I the only one who doesn't prowl myspace?
    i hate myspace so much. takes forever to load pages because people decide to link 2700 videos and streaming audio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniteNothing
    Technically it's not "political" unless someone has a different view on the subject.
    I thought that technically it is "political" if it discussed "policy." :p


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    Holy overreach Batman!

    Web sites like Amazon.com and MySpace.com may soon be inaccessible for many people using public terminals at American schools and libraries, thanks to the U.S. House of Representatives.

    By a 410-15 vote on Thursday, politicians approved a bill that would effectively require that "chat rooms" and "social networking sites" be rendered inaccessible to minors, an age group that includes some of the Internet's most ardent users. Adults can ask for permission to access the sites.

    "Social networking sites such as MySpace and chat rooms have allowed sexual predators to sneak into homes and solicit kids," said Rep. Ted Poe, a Texas Republican and co-founder of the Congressional Victim's Rights Caucus. "This bill requires schools and libraries to establish (important) protections."

    Even though politicians apparently meant to restrict access to MySpace, the definition of off-limits Web sites is so broad the bill would probably sweep in thousands of commercial Web sites that allow people to post profiles, include personal information and allow "communication among users." Details will be left up to the Federal Communications Commission.

    The list could include Slashdot, which permits public profiles; Amazon, which allows author profiles and personal lists; and blogs like RedState.com that show public profiles. In addition, many media companies, such as News.com publisher CNET Networks, permit users to create profiles of favorite games and music.

    "While targeted at MySpace, the effects are far more wide-ranging than that, including sites like LinkedIn," said Mark Blafkin, a representative of the Association for Competitive Technology, which counts small- to medium-size technology companies as members. "Nearly any news site now permits these types of behaviors that the bill covers."

    House Republicans have enlisted the Deleting Online Predators Act, or DOPA, as part of a poll-driven effort to address topics that they view as important to suburban voters in advance of November's elections. Republican pollster John McLaughlin surveyed 22 suburban districts and presented his research at a retreat earlier this year. DOPA was part of the result.

    "Social networking sites, best known by the popular examples of MySpace, Friendster and Facebook, have literally exploded in popularity in just a few short years," said Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick, a Pennsylvania Republican and one of DOPA's original sponsors. Now, he added, those Web sites "have become a haven for online sexual predators who have made these corners of the Web their own virtual hunting ground."

    Fitzpatrick's re-election campaign is one reason why the Republican leadership, which is worried about retaining their slender House majority, arranged a vote on DOPA. Fitzpatrick, who represents a politically moderate district outside of Philadelphia, has found himself in a tight race against challenger Patrick Murphy, an Iraq War veteran and prosecutor.

    Technology lobbying groups, which were taken by surprise by this week's speedy approval of DOPA in the House, are now scrambling to throw up roadblocks to the measure in the Senate. Some expect that the Senate leadership will hold a vote as early as next week. (Libraries also oppose the measure.)

    "This bill is well-intentioned, but it is highly overbroad and would create big obstacles to accessing sites that pose no risk to children," said Jim Halpert, a partner at law firm DLA Piper Rudnick Gray Cary, who is the general counsel for the Internet Commerce Coalition.

    In a statement earlier this month, a representative of MySpace--now owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp.--stressed that the company has taken steps this year to assuage concerns among parents and politicians. It has assigned some 100 employees, about one-third of its work force, to deal with security and customer care, and hired Hemanshu (Hemu) Nigam, a former Justice Department prosecutor, as its chief security officer.

    DOPA has changed since an earlier version dated May 9. The version approved by the House (click here for PDF) does not define "chat rooms" and gives more leeway to the FCC in devising a category of verboten Web sites.

    Both versions apply only to schools and libraries that accept federal funding, which the American Library Association estimates covers at least two-thirds of libraries. By slapping additional regulations on "e-rate" federal funding, DOPA effectively expands an earlier law called the Children's Internet Protection Act, which requires libraries to filter sexually explicit material and which the Supreme Court upheld as constitutional in 2003.

    Opponents of DOPA said during the debate that it was rushed through the political process--it was, they said, rewritten on Wednesday night and had not even been approved by a congressional committee.

    "So now we are on the floor with a piece of legislation poorly thought out, with an abundance of surprises, which carries with it that curious smell of partisanship and panic, but which is not going to address the problems," said Rep. John Dingell, a Michigan Democrat. "This is a piece of legislation which is going to be notorious for its ineffectiveness and, of course, for its political benefits to some of the members hereabout."
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    Defining off-limits sites
    DOPA does not define "chat rooms" or "social networking sites" and leaves that up to the Federal Communications Commission. It does offer the FCC some guidance on defining social networking sites (though not chat rooms):

    "In determining the definition of a social networking Web site, the Commission shall take into consideration the extent to which a Web site--

    (i) is offered by a commercial entity;

    (ii) permits registered users to create an online profile that includes detailed personal information;

    (iii) permits registered users to create an online journal and share such a journal with other users;

    (iv) elicits highly personalized information from users; and

    (v) enables communication among users."
    http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6099...9414&subj=news

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    Hahaha! Pardon my french, but what a bunch of morons.

    Let's see, that will ban any site that uses vBulletin or any other BBS software, Yahoo, Hotmail, MSN, all Blogging sites, all social & professional networking sites (Linkedin) - the list goes on & on.

    When they're done, all that's left will be Maddox's page, which will be removed for unsavory content, and the Hampster Dance page, which I will not link to out of common human decency.

    Once the spyware from the Hampster Dance page kicks in, all of the machines will have to be shut down anyway. We might as well save ourselves a whole lot of time & energy, and just throw all of the PCs in public schools & libraries into the trash.

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    have you SEEN how many kids sit in the libraries and look for "bootie calls" on myspace all day long? I went to the library a couple weeks ago and every booth was full of myspacers and other "social networking" sites that are "under fire" due to the whole underage kid/stalker issue.

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    I haven't been to a public library in 10 years.

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    I'm not a fan of myspace either. I use LJ for my own journaling and sometimes I'll put something up on my G|A blog, but that's it. Nearly everday one can hear horrible things about myspace.
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